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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 00:42:00 -
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Suffice to say scan reports in and transmitted. Investigation concluded. Unless you are claiming that these electonic readings miraculously "erased themselves" when transitted ship to ship then there are many verifiable sources of data remaining.
We believe the "lost data" accusation was made up on the spur of the moment by an angry and humiliated Mordu's Legionary Sergeant rightfully destroyed by SF forces in line with our entirely public Rules of Engagement. The fact we waited until the operation was complete before destroying this enemy of the Fraction bespeaks nothing other than our profound patience with the Sisters of Eve and should the Mordu's man have taken the hint and left the area with his task complete he'd have saved the lives of his Cerberus crewmen as well.
This was an arrogant fool who lost his ship due to his arrogance. Not a great advert for the Mercenary Profession.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tennotsukai
The Sgt. Maj. Asks for data to be sent to him.. he does a scan and then sends the data from his scan after reciving data from Disciple Sibanna .. nothing else, as what would the reason for him to send back the data just sent to him by Disciple Sibanna? Thus this can be said that when his ship was destroyed he did indeed have data from the other pilots that was lost.
No doub't the Star Fraction spin doctors will jump upon this and try to blindside folks with big words and such.. But I'm afraid it looks like Star Fraction may indeed screwed up and are now trying to cover their tracks.
No 'big words' are needed.
You're right, there was no reason for the Legion pilot to send the data he had received from SoE back: Disciple Sibanna retained it and moreover sent a copy to CONCORD.
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[ 21:47:11 ] Seargant Major Rakham > Sibanna, send a priorty comms to CONCORD.. Send them the data you have.. Tell them that we have a code black situation.Sister, my scans are showing that the enviroment on that station is unsafe and I suggest we request a CONCORD HAZMAT team. [ 21:47:49 ] Seargant Major Rakham > I am sending you the results of my scan for you to confirm the readings. [ 21:48:03 ] Disciple Sibanna > Data sent Sir.
In fantasy land there may be a tradition of it being impossible for a particular item of data to be in two data storage systems at once but not in actuality. The SoE ships were science vessels and it's quite clear they had all the data they needed.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tennotsukai
And thank you for posting that, those logs indeed reinforce the fact that data may have been lost..
They do precisely the reverse.
If you think otherwise, please show how they do so.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tennotsukai You attacked a long Mordu's Pilot doing his job and indeed telling you to shove it in his own way and refusing to abandon his duty the same as any merc worth his salt would when on duty, and to top it off you may have indeed destroyed data that was being stored in his ships computers.
We don't care if he was doing his job. He is a target and will die whenever we see him in space. Thats the price of association with an organisation that declared hostilities to the Star Fraction. The logs clearly show no data was lost and you are being foolish to insist otherwise.
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Tennotsukai
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.06 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Tennotsukai You attacked a long Mordu's Pilot doing his job and indeed telling you to shove it in his own way and refusing to abandon his duty the same as any merc worth his salt would when on duty, and to top it off you may have indeed destroyed data that was being stored in his ships computers.
We don't care if he was doing his job. He is a target and will die whenever we see him in space. Thats the price of association with an organisation that declared hostilities to the Star Fraction. The logs clearly show no data was lost and you are being foolish to insist otherwise.
Sorry but I'm afraid you are well quite wrong on this.. The logs that you have posted don't prove a thing about the data.. As i said they also show that the Data may have indeed been lost.
And you say you don't care if he was doing his duty or not and your logs do however show that you ignored the pleas of the sister and as Disciple Sibanna says make an unprovoked attack on the Mordu's pilot and make the SSoE pilots feel very unsafe.
As for calling the Mordu's pilot and arrogent fool for remaining at his post and doing his duty, and this arrogence.. or in me eyes his defiance to your orders as a bad advert for the Merc professional.. I hate to say it, but you are so very wrong, it really does hurt.. His devotion to his duty and his post by remaining at the side of the SSoE convoy even though it seems he was heavily outnumbered rather then running off with his tail between his legs is a damn fine advert for his profesionalism.
If anything your own arrogance is starting to show through, and well.. Its seems that the Mordu's pilot didn't give two fedos about your bully boy threats.. Plus those logs do show that Star Fraction was indeed in the wrong, and their spin doctors are trying to cover up this fact.
But in the same vein their own words are showing the full picture (even if some of the Logs have been edited.) One that I see the Star Fraction Spin doctors failing at covering up.
Again, I expect them to have a go at me thoughts.. In their usual way of ganging up on someone and trying to intimedating them..
*A broad grin appears across his face* Good thing that, it won't work with me.. And with that I'm off to me pit and well I will have to wait until morning to see what spin and intimidation tactics are being stuck on me thoughts
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:19:00 -
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The logs show what they show and are there for all to read and draw their own conclusions from. We have not edited out anything. Any excerpts are simply highlighting the actual events pertaining to the data for clarity and Jasmine has produced the full unedited version.
The logs show that all data was in SoE hands and anyone who thinks differently has to show how that is not so. Simply saying that the logs show that data was lost does not make it so.
We have made our case and we stand by it.
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Khavi Vetali
Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.06 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 06/02/2007 03:38:22
Originally by: Tennotsukai Again, I expect them to have a go at me thoughts.. In their usual way of ganging up on someone and trying to intimedating them..
Funny, I don't see any attempts at intimidation in any of the Star Fraction replies to your repeated babbling. Your repetition about it leads me to to believe you're trying to egg them on.
I don't see any spin either. They've posted logs, given their side of the events, and left the burden of proof on others to try to show that the Fraction is in the wrong. I guess if you squint hard enough you can see shadows lurking in the brightest corners.
Ugh. Use a little something called a logical conclusion. I'll spell it out for you, now read slowly, so you're sure to comprehend.
Originally by: Sequence of Events The Sergeant requests a transfer of data, the Disciple does so. Then the Sergeant transfers his data to the Disciple, who in turn relays it to Concord. Both transfers are completed. The Sergeant's unique data has been copied and relayed. The Disciple's unique data now resides on her ship and the Sergeant's Cerberus.
The Cerberus is now destroyed, losing the copied data from the Disciple, and the formerly unique scan data. The only way completely unique, non-replicated scan information was destroyed is if the Disciple had the incredible ineptitude, or should I say stupidity, to delete her information after it was relayed to the Cerberus.
Also you can deduce that the scan data from the Disciple was relayed to Concord with the Sergeant's information, since that was obviously the procedure that SoE was following.
Game, set, match.
Originally by: Itanis "Hello there mate, I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm going to have to sodomize you with howitzers. Have a lovely day!"
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M'haratoh
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Posted - 2007.02.06 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: M''haratoh on 06/02/2007 03:51:05 edited
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 03:55:00 -
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I swear, the galaxy is turning on its head. What is this? The Mercenary Coalition jumping up to lick the boots of the Mordus Legion? Ive seen stranger things happen, but not many... _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.06 03:56:00 -
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Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.06 08:30:00 -
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How interesting, the broader actions of the Fractionists played out in micro. Attacking the support structure others depended on for their safety, and then denying that you put anyone at risk or had a responsibility to take up the duties of protection. Even on such a limited scale the hypocritical actions you perpetrate against residents of the empires are mirrored and transparent for what they truly are.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2007.02.06 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 06/02/2007 11:00:33 ((scripted event...meet the ruthless world of political ramifications of past actions.))
My god!
<smiles>
Despite my feelings towards Mordu's crawling to RAZOR in the past. I have to say...such devotion to duty and staying true to his cause in face of a hostile threat. I have to applaud that, most members of the capsule community don't have the gumption for certain death.
Makes my heart swell that the non-egger community is still producing some fine captains. Reminds me of my roots in space. This one might not have been the most competent of pilots but balls of brass.
He didn't even beg for his life. Man, this act restored some of the respect I had for Mordu's ship captains. If only their high command would pull their heads out of their collective ass's and stop associating with every pod pilot alliance that drifts on through Pure Blind. I might again hold them in the regard as a neutral military force.
Unfortunate that SF still had its bad standings to Mordu's and blindly followed orders to murder this chap. But hey price you pay for associating your identity with a banner and not as your own.
Man...<takes a breath> maybe he was to stupid to know better...either way, his kids are gonna have a story about this one. Click here for Lysol's Linky Library-last updated 30NOV06 |
Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol Despite my feelings towards Mordu's crawling to RAZOR in the past. I have to say...such devotion to duty and staying true to his cause in face of a hostile threat. I have to applaud that, most members of the capsule community don't have the gumption for certain death. Makes my heart swell that the non-egger community is still producing some fine captains. Reminds me of my roots in space. This one might not have been the most competent of pilots but balls of brass. He didn't even beg for his life. Man, this act restored some of the respect I had for Mordu's ship captains. If only their high command would pull their heads out of their collective ass's and stop associating with every pod pilot alliance that drifts on through Pure Blind. I might again hold them in the regard as a neutral military force.
He was a capsule pilot. He escaped the death of his ship. Many of his crew did not. He was shot down as a consequence of Mordu's Legion command associations with RAZOR alliance a year ago in Pureblind where they committed to helping RAZOR close and patrol space with Mordu's assets. The Servant Sisters should have known better than to hire a dog like this.
Quote: Unfortunate that SF still had its bad standings to Mordu's and blindly followed orders to murder this chap. But hey price you pay for associating your identity with a banner and not as your own.
Your insults are growing tiresome Ly'sol. There is nothing "blind" about SF standings and you know this well (or a least you once did) and however much I am irritated and annoyed by your constant galnet harping you are going to remain neutral to me until such time as you engage a SF vessel or join an organisation that has previously engaged a SF vessel.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lowanaera How interesting, the broader actions of the Fractionists played out in micro. Attacking the support structure others depended on for their safety, and then denying that you put anyone at risk or had a responsibility to take up the duties of protection. Even on such a limited scale the hypocritical actions you perpetrate against residents of the empires are mirrored and transparent for what they truly are.
Star Fraction engaged a force that has previously declared itself hostile to our vessels and denied our neutrality. Hiding their own reputation behind the standings of the Sisters of Eve on the premise of a mercenary contract. There is no great revelation and you are adopting a position of profound hypocrisy to claim your own organisaton would respect the "protection" by hostiles of third-parties in the presence of your fleets.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.06 11:51:00 -
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It seems that once again Star Fraction has everybody confused. Nothing that we haven't seen before. Nothing they haven't tried to and failed to explain before.
Maybe Star Fraction should use one of their own favorite lines instead of trying to confuse the issue further:
SF, if you have a problem with how the Sisters of Eve or Mercenary Coalition interpret your actions, then wardec them or stfu.
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Tennotsukai
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.06 11:56:00 -
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Well, I'm just saying what things look like to me.. The log show that data may have been lost, the the same way it may not have been lost. Please notice the word may that i keep using.. the word that the spin doctors keep missing out... Also its worth noting that, the spin doctors keep by passing the fact that they was asked to put their hostilies to one side, yet they ignored that and attacked the Mordu's pilot reguardless. This in itself is an attack upon the convoy no matter how much they keep saying otherwise.
Also we are lead to belive that the logs are to be taken as accurate and complete... except The Cosmopolite's have clearly been altered, and those posted by Jasmine Constantine start 11 minutes after The Cosmopolite's.
As for the comment from Ituralde... Sorry, but you little dig won't work my bald little Ammarian.. Its not a case of me or the MC licking the boots of the mordu's.. Its a simple matter that Star Fraction are trying to justify an attack on the SSoE convoy using incomplete and edited logs...And what if the SSoE do set Star Fraction to -10? Is Star Fraction going to activly hunt them? Start attacking their aid convoys because they dared to stand up to your bully boy actions? Or even for the fact they may indeed be telling the truth and Star Fraction are looking for a way out and by twisting the truth and hiding information in the way they are so well known for isn't working this time and that maybe the threat of violence towards the SSoE may work instead.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth It seems that once again Star Fraction has everybody confused. Nothing that we haven't seen before. Nothing they haven't tried to and failed to explain before.
Oh I think we've gotten our point across pretty well. I appreciate this is frustrating for our enemies but you are going to have to learn to live with disappointment.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 06/02/2007 12:14:06
Originally by: Tennotsukai Well, I'm just saying what things look like to me.. The log show that data may have been lost, the the same way it may not have been lost. Please notice the word may that i keep using.. the word that the spin doctors keep missing out...
For a man who has a problem with "spin-doctors" you seem remarkably keen to indulge in such vices yourself. The log shows the data was not lost - its entirely clear.
Quote: As for the comment from Ituralde... Sorry, but you little dig won't work my bald little Ammarian.. Its not a case of me or the MC licking the boots of the mordu's.. Its a simple matter that Star Fraction are trying to justify an attack on the SSoE convoy using incomplete and edited logs...
Let me just get this straight? Are you accusing Cosmopolite of factually editting the local log results to show a different situation to the one we are telling you occured?
Quote: And what if the SSoE do set Star Fraction to -10? Is Star Fraction going to activly hunt them? Start attacking their aid convoys because they dared to stand up to your bully boy actions?
Last night a Star Fraction vessel was attacked by a member of a Sister of Eve convoy. Does this action represent aggression from the Sisters of Eve organisation against Star Fraction? Would we be be correct in returning aggression to the Sisters of Eve organisation as a whole or should we turn the other cheek since the attack orginated from an independent pilot corporation on short term escort duty for Sister Rhayne's convoy and not from an officially flagged SOE vessel. What do you think Tennotsukai?
Quote: Or even for the fact they may indeed be telling the truth and Star Fraction are looking for a way out and by twisting the truth and hiding information in the way they are so well known.
You don't sound like a neutral third party to me. You sound like somebody with a grudge using your current position inside Mercenary Coalition to protect you from the consequences of your slander.
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Tennotsukai
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.06 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
For a man who has a problem with "spin-doctors" you seem remarkably keen to indulge in such vices yourself. The log shows the data was not lost - its entirely clear.
Spin... Not at all, just pointing out what is visible to everyone.. The Logs do give an element of doub't... You keep saying its clear but it isn't. It seems you are slowly losing your composure Ms Constantine and well you are sounding like a damaged holo-reel saying the same thing over and over again even though you may be wrong on the matter and ignoring other areas and questions. Also the good Sister states that data was lost, the logs show that there is an element of doub't to Star Fractions claims.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Let me just get this straight? Are you accusing Cosmopolite of factually editting the local log results to show a different situation to the one we are telling you occured?
Just pointing out that Cosmopolite have been edited, sothing that can not be denied as forst its a very bad job.. plus there are huge differeance between your logs and his with several minutes missing from his.
So you tell me?
After all Star Fraction are very well known for bending the truth and making things look in favour of themselves.
Something you can not deny now can you?
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Last night a Star Fraction vessel was attacked by a member of a Sister of Eve convoy. Does this action represent aggression from the Sisters of Eve organisation against Star Fraction? Would we be be correct in returning aggression or should we turn the other cheek since the attack orginated from an independent pilot corporation on short term escort duty for Sister Rhayne and not from an officially flagged SOE vessel. What do you think Tennotsukai?
The question could be asked, what did Star fraction do to warrent them being attacked by SSoE.
After all you recently attacked their convoy and you are calling them liers... With all thats going on, wouldn't it have been more sensible to avoid the SSoE until this was sorted out, but with the typical Star Fraction arrogence I guess you went looking for the convoy to throw your weight around.
But I guess you want us all to belive that SSoE launched an unprovoked attack on Star Fraction.. A orginisation dedicated to helping others with aid and supplies went out of their way to attack Star Fraction... Sure they did..
Well it looks like you have your excuse to go attack them now, something I'm starting to belive was your whole intention from the start.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
You don't sound like a neutral third party to me. You sound like somebody with a grudge using your current position inside Mercenary Coalition to protect you from the consequences of your slander.
So I'm not allowed to have me own thought am i? Why would I have me a grudge against Star Fraction after all Until now I don't think I have had any dealing with you? As for using my current position... Sorry, but I have been in the service of the MC for a long time now, But i guess this is some kind of Star Fraction Intimidation threat.. "Oh if you wasn't in MC, we would hunt you down and kill you.." is that it... Because I don't agree with you, you feel the need to try and bully me.. Ahhh your true colours are starting to shine through.
As for slander, not at all.. If any slander has been thrown about.. Its come from the Star Fraction.
Sorry, but if you don't like me thoughts... tough, if i want to express them i shall.
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Kunte Kinte
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Posted - 2007.02.06 12:43:00 -
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Quote: You don't sound like a neutral third party to me. You sound like somebody with a grudge using your current position inside Mercenary Coalition to protect you from the consequences of your slander.
Sounds like star fraction want's to take on the mercenary coalition to show them the consequences of this free pod pilots words because they should know better then to hire a dog like Tennotsukai who would slander the star fraction except maybe it is not slander at all but the truth and that is clear when you read Jasmine's other words.
Quote: He was a capsule pilot. He escaped the death of his ship. Many of his crew did not. He was shot down as a consequence of Mordu's Legion command associations with RAZOR alliance a year ago in Pureblind where they committed to helping RAZOR close and patrol space with Mordu's assets. The Servant Sisters should have known better than to hire a dog like this. Your insults are growing tiresome Ly'sol. There is nothing "blind" about SF standings and you know this well (or a least you once did) and however much I am irritated and annoyed by your constant galnet harping you are going to remain neutral to me until such time as you engage a SF vessel or join an organisation that has previously engaged a SF vessel.
Jasmine can you explain why in the star fraction you advocate the individual being responsible for his actions but you only would attack an organization that an individual joins and not an organization that allows this kind of individual in or maybe you do attack the organzation; they seem the same to me but you only assign blame in one direction and not the other; after all you attacked the SSoE convoy escort and said they should have known better then hire someone like this, so in the same way you are criticizing the mercenary coalition using the same logic because they hire Tennotsukai to be a mercenary soldier; is this right? Sergeant Major Rakham was under the mordus tag but employed by SSoE to escort these relief supplies but it sounds like that does not matter as past grudges are all that matter to the star fraction; if he was under the SSoE tag I think the star fraction would have attacked them anyway because like Jasmine said they should have known better. To be consistent the star fraction now needs to issue a war declaration against the mercenary coalition because they should have known better then to hire Tennotsukai as a member of the guild when he has an old grudge and slanders the star fraction a war that will certainly be entertaining to watch I can not wait. KK
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Kunte Kinte
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Posted - 2007.02.06 12:50:00 -
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Quote: So I'm not allowed to have me own thought am i? Why would I have me a grudge against Star Fraction after all Until now I don't think I have had any dealing with you? As for using my current position... Sorry, but I have been in the service of the MC for a long time now, But i guess this is some kind of Star Fraction Intimidation threat.. "Oh if you wasn't in MC, we would hunt you down and kill you.." is that it... Because I don't agree with you, you feel the need to try and bully me.. Ahhh your true colours are starting to shine through.
They want everyone to be free pod pilots and to evolve but only free if you agree with them Tennotsukai; but Jasmine says ssoe should know better to hire someone like Rakham so the mercenary coalition should know better then to keep you so you will probably get fired from the guild today; that way the mercenary coalition would not have to live in fear of the star fraction. KK (Sorry if my words are not clear english is not my main language)
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tennotsukai Spin... Not at all, just pointing out what is visible to everyone..
Yet not everyone agrees with you. Aren't you using rhetoric and assumption there and claiming to speak for a "public majority opinion" that doesn't really exist. Sounds like spin to me Tennotsukai.
Quote: The Logs do give an element of doub't... You keep saying its clear but it isn't. It seems you are slowly losing your composure Ms Constantine and well you are sounding like a damaged holo-reel saying the same thing over and over again even though you may be wrong on the matter and ignoring other areas and questions.
I'm simply repeating what the logs show. If you want to quote something from them that supports your incorrect assessment you are completely at liberty to do so. But as of yet, you're done nothing but repeat your own flawed assessment.
Quote: Also the good Sister states that data was lost, the logs show that there is an element of doub't to Star Fractions claims.
The "good sister" is a proven liar by the testimony of others present. That means her witness account is deeply suspect.
Quote: After all Star Fraction are very well known for bending the truth and making things look in favour of themselves. Something you can not deny now can you?
The Star Fraction is always truthful in our public writing. I certainly deny your accusation.
Quote: The question could be asked, what did Star fraction do to warrent them being attacked by SSoE.
No surprise you skipped my question or the implications - want to try to give it another shot?
Quote: ...typical Star Fraction arrogence I guess you went looking for the convoy to throw your weight around.
You are sounding like a man with a grudge you know. Did we blow up an NBSI business partner sometime?
Quote: But I guess you want us all to belive that SSoE launched an unprovoked attack on Star Fraction.. A orginisation dedicated to helping others with aid and supplies went out of their way to attack Star Fraction... Sure they did..
Define provocation? - Because I'd like to see you justify the Sister's Convoy attack on us that will not justify our attack on the Mordu's Legionaire. You are becoming entangled in your own doubletalk spin here Tennotsukuai.
Quote: So I'm not allowed to have me own thought am i? Why would I have me a grudge against Star Fraction after all Until now I don't think I have had any dealing with you?
Yet suddenly you arrive on this thread with mention of how we are "masters of spin" "deceitful" "arrogant" and have a history of bullying. Such sentiments to not come from the blue and are typical of people with connections to other personalities who have been hostile to us in other parts of the cluster. I have seen many things in three and half years of active combat in the Fraction Tennotsuki and one thing I am always sure of is that opinions such as yours do not spring fully-formed from a void of personal experience.
Quote: As for using my current position... Sorry, but I have been in the service of the MC for a long time now, But i guess this is some kind of Star Fraction Intimidation threat.. "Oh if you wasn't in MC, we would hunt you down and kill you.." is that it... Because I don't agree with you, you feel the need to try and bully me.. Ahhh your true colours are starting to shine through.
Not at all, you are doing nothing that followers in other alliances do not likewise do - using the protection of your position to avoid the consequences of your words. In this case I'm sure you do not speak for the Mercenary Coalition and that your nonsense is below the notice of your leaders. You are perfectly safe - don't panic!
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kunte Kinte various stuff
Ask a friend from a recognised organisation to post for you and I'll be glad to answer questions.
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Kunte Kinte
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Posted - 2007.02.06 12:59:00 -
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Quote: Yet not everyone agrees with you. Aren't you using rhetoric and assumption there and claiming to speak for a "public majority opinion" that doesn't really exist. Sounds like spin to me Tennotsukai.
To me it seems the only people who do not agree with Tennotsukai are the people in the star fraction guild; everyone else seems to agree with him who agrees with the star fraction? I can not find anyone who does because none of us can understand what you post; does your guild have a list of canned confusion generating responses you pick from when you post or do you make it up as you go? If you make isk the way you make spin you are the richest people in eve I am sure; if I was in the mercenary coalition I would be careful because you should know better then to hire someone like Tennotsukai or let him hide in your guild; the star fraction will get you. KK
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kunte Kinte If you make isk the way you make spin
Are you sure you aren't related to Tennotsukai? You both seem to share a vocabulary and common set of opinions. Maybe you can ask him to post your questions?
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Kunte Kinte
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Posted - 2007.02.06 13:16:00 -
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Quote: Ask a friend from a recognised organisation (that has existed for more than a day) to post for you and I'll be glad to answer questions.
I am afraid to post with main character because my guild is just one for mining and exploring we do not have a big navy; you said Tennotsukai is hiding behind the mercenary coalition but we do not have the guns they have to fight you; you say you want freedom for pod pilots but you threaten anyone who does not agree with you this is why I will not tell you who I am; it is a valid concern with the history of the star fraction making war declarations on guilds they can beat but not fighting other ones; I have read the other threads here so I know about you because you said that. You said Tennotsukai is hiding from the consequences of his slander so anyone who disagrees with you could have the guild they are in issued a war declaration; I am thinking this is the right answer. KK
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Tennotsukai
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.06 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tennotsukai on 06/02/2007 13:39:30
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Yet not everyone agrees with you. Aren't you using rhetoric and assumption there and claiming to speak for a "public majority opinion" that doesn't really exist. Sounds like spin to me Tennotsukai.
And not everyone agrees with you now do they? And I don't speak for the Majority and i have never claimed to, their your words not mine. I just using me own thought and me own opinion as well as me own eyes.. Interesting how one of the greatest spin doctors now tries to turn the tables and say me thoughts are now spin.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
I'm simply repeating what the logs show. If you want to quote something from them that supports your incorrect assessment you are completely at liberty to do so. But as of yet, you're done nothing but repeat your own flawed assessment.
No, you are quoting your interpritation of the logs, as I am putting forward my interpritation of the logs. Now we are allowed our own thoughts and interpritations because you so?
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
The "good sister" is a proven liar by the testimony of others present. That means her witness account is deeply suspect.
Is she? Nothing has been show that proves she is a liar, unless we take your interpritation of things to make her out a liar. But then again, if we take into account that Star Fraction may be mistaken.. then.. oh look she is telling the truth.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
The Star Fraction is always truthful in our public writing. I certainly deny your accusation.
Yet the proof is there for all to see. Cosmopolite's logs have been altered and yours start 11 minuets after his.. So you can deny that fact all you like but it is there for all to see.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
No surprise you skipped my question or the implications - want to try to give it another shot?
No I didn't, I asked you a question that you seem to have ignored.. So I ask you again.. What did the Star Fraction do last night to warrent being fired upon by the SSoE? Also you avoided addressing the point of why did Star Fraction activly go looking for the SSoE rather then waiting until this situation has been sorted.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
You are sounding like a man with a grudge you know. Did we blow up an NBSI business partner sometime?
Agian, you avoid addressing the statment and fall back on to me holding a grudge.. I will say it again.. I hold no grudge against the Star Fraction. I'm just putting down me thoughts.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Define provocation? - Because I'd like to see you justify the Sister's Convoy attack on us that will not justify our attack on the Mordu's Legionaire. You are becoming entangled in your own doubletalk spin here Tennotsukuai.
Well Something must have happend for them to attack you last night.. Are you saying its because of your attack on their convoy the other night.. Interesting.. As for me becoming entangled in doubletalk spin.. Again, I'm not using any spin, just me thoughts and me eyes.
TBC
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Khavi Vetali
Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.06 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 06/02/2007 13:42:14
Originally by: Kunte Kinte To me it seems the only people who do not agree with Tennotsukai are the people in the star fraction guild; everyone else seems to agree with him who agrees with the star fraction? I can not find anyone who does because none of us can understand what you post; does your guild have a list of canned confusion generating responses you pick from when you post or do you make it up as you go?
I think you want to reread the thread, and make note that the majority are either in favor of the situation being corrected, or neutral, and the few detractors are known to possess diametrically-opposed political views and have their reasons for engaging in slanderous diatribe.
I find it hard to believe the continuing line that people cannot understand the Star Fraction's points. If you have trouble with the vocabulary, wording, or ideas and choose to disregard their arguments because of that, you have no ground to stand on for your own. Look up their ideology and philosophies, educate yourself, and you may find yourself better equipped to engage them.
As it is, all you have here is gutless, meaningless drivel from someone so inconsequential they feel the need to comment by proxy.
Originally by: Itanis "Hello there mate, I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm going to have to sodomize you with howitzers. Have a lovely day!"
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Natasha Donnan
Caldari Silent-Running Surveillance
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Posted - 2007.02.06 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kunte Kinte
To me it seems the only people who do not agree with Tennotsukai are the people in the star fraction guild; everyone else seems to agree with him who agrees with the star fraction? I can not find anyone who does because none of us can understand what you post; does your guild have a list of canned confusion generating responses you pick from when you post or do you make it up as you go? If you make isk the way you make spin you are the richest people in eve I am sure; if I was in the mercenary coalition I would be careful because you should know better then to hire someone like Tennotsukai or let him hide in your guild; the star fraction will get you. KK
Does anyone know what a guild is?
I think you along with everyone else would be better letting SSoE, Star Fraction and Mordus sort it out amongst themselves. I wasn't there and therefore I cannot comment on events but it seems to me to make emminent sense to let the concerned parties discuss this without outside interference.
The member of the Merc Coalition had a point in so far as he remarked on the behaviour of a Mercenary. In so far as he should be best placed to evaluate that mercenary's stance in the situation he found himself in.
Since then however as far as I can see he has gone beyond what could possibly be his own experience. It looks like conjecture. He risks making this look like it is a malicious attempt at character assassination. Even though I don't believe he wishes to sound like that.
I am speaking as an interested neutral. No more.
Like I said before let the concerned parties be and lets stay out of something that does not concern us. _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes. |
Tennotsukai
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.06 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: "Jasmine Constantine"
Yet suddenly you arrive on this thread with mention of how we are "masters of spin" "deceitful" "arrogant" and have a history of bullying. Such sentiments to not come from the blue and are typical of people with connections to other personalities who have been hostile to us in other parts of the cluster. I have seen many things in three and half years of active combat in the Fraction Tennotsuki and one thing I am always sure of is that opinions such as yours do not spring fully-formed from a void of personal experience.
Well, your the one saying that I using the MC as protection. Why what would happen if i wasn't in the MC? would you make threats against me life.. Would you put me on you KOS list? As for me opinion... their fromed from me thoughts and me eyes.. nothign more, as for your 3 years of active combat.. well, join the club.. I can at least say that I'm not innocent of crime.. Hell I started my life fighting pirates in the outer rings, then for a while became a pirate before being given a chance to make a life for myself In the MC. And for what.. speaking me thoughts and so the little dictator shines through.
Originally by: "Jasmine Constantine"
Not at all, you are doing nothing that followers in other alliances do not likewise do - using the protection of your position to avoid the consequences of your words. In this case I'm sure you do not speak for the Mercenary Coalition and that your nonsense is below the notice of your leaders. You are perfectly safe - don't panic!
Og course I don't speak for the MC... I have said otehrwise? Ohhh your trying to imply that I might do.. ahhhh.. as for me being safe, of course I am, its not like your bully boy behavour makes me feel threatend.. Far from it.
But it is interesting how you make a big deal about me being all nice and protected in the MC.. and well, then come out with me being perfectly safe. Again, what if i wasn't in the MC? Would you try to throw your weight around then? Would you try to scare poor little old me?
*Grins*
Well, I've had me say .. and no doub't you will jump up and down with your holo-banner.. But I'm afraid you have started to show yourself in a new light.
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