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Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
47
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Posted - 2016.02.25 20:38:40 -
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People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14373
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Posted - 2016.02.25 20:42:17 -
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No.
Better the Devil you know.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
1099
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Posted - 2016.02.25 20:55:10 -
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No!
And HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111eleven
I told you so would be the understatement of the century.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
49
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Posted - 2016.02.25 20:56:11 -
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Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue.
Yup, with King Ralph on that one...
With Skill Extractors/Injectors, maxing out a character is now a euphemism for 'I have no idea how to play an advanced character'. It's just an opportunity to re-adjust your skill setup to play the way you like. Maxing out on all skills at all Level 5 is an utter waste of SP's to start, nobody plays at that level, unless playing EVE was your 18 hour a day job/hobby.
If you need more space, just extract in areas you aren't using, retrain and refill. Make some ISK off of it. Time = ISK. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2102
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Posted - 2016.02.25 20:57:48 -
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No.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1080
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Posted - 2016.02.25 21:37:29 -
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Sounds like someone wants a buff to SP farming Alts. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
575
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Posted - 2016.02.25 21:44:13 -
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Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue.
Lol, link to a pilot's eveboard that has everything maxed out while not being bugged.
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3119
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Posted - 2016.02.25 23:53:20 -
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No.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3006
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Posted - 2016.02.25 23:59:39 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote: Lol, link to a pilot's eveboard that has everything maxed out while not being bugged.
It's been done by at least one person, and a whole lot more could quite easily do it as well. But that doesn't mean any changes need to happen, just that it can be done if people really want to. |
Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
47
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Posted - 2016.02.26 00:02:25 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue. Lol, link to a pilot's eveboard that has everything maxed out while not being bugged.
Here you go:
http://eveboard.com/pilot/IronBank |
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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
347
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Posted - 2016.02.26 00:14:38 -
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I would be tempted to cease playing if such a thing occurred. Apart from incentivizing extractor/injector sales, there is no sound reason to do this just because a few people decide to toss decadent amounts of money or ISK at the Injectors. Besides, all those people who maxed their SP will have more skills to train up over the next couple of months.
So the issue self resolves: CCP does not need to increase the level on skills, they simply continue to add more skills to learn.
Running for CSM 11. You should vote for me.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2631
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Posted - 2016.02.26 01:17:19 -
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Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue.
And then people will dump even more ISK into it and get to that new cap. Then what? Skill to XV? |
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
268
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Posted - 2016.02.26 02:12:05 -
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Once a pilot achieves a certain level of skill why not open a portion of space up where only Elite Pilot's would be able to access?
In Elite Pilot space, roughly 2500 new systems, Capsuleer's would engage in missions built around Sleeper's, Drifters and other new entities long forgotten from New Eden's past. |
Cristl
352
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Posted - 2016.02.26 05:25:14 -
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Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue. Check out how exponentials work. Even a rank 1 skill to level 10 would be about three times the SP of Ironbank. |
Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2344
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Posted - 2016.02.26 06:35:20 -
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Orion Pax wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue. Lol, link to a pilot's eveboard that has everything maxed out while not being bugged. Here you go: http://eveboard.com/pilot/IronBank You missed the important point of the request: "while not being bugged". Injecting SP does not count. Any normally training character is still years from even close to max SP.
UI Improvement Collective
My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
575
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Posted - 2016.02.26 07:51:57 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Orion Pax wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue. Lol, link to a pilot's eveboard that has everything maxed out while not being bugged. Here you go: http://eveboard.com/pilot/IronBank You missed the important point of the request: "while not being bugged". Injecting SP does not count. Any normally training character is still years from even close to max SP.
He missed the fact that that character was born on 11 Feb 2016 (15 days ago) and yet he has been online for 55 days with his daily average online being over 3 days at a time.
It would take aprox 2630 skill injectors to go from 80 million to max SP if you used only injectors. For simplicity lets say each one is worth 650 million. That would cost 1.7 trillion isk to achieve. So if someone wants to drop about 2 trillion isk and buyout all the injectors on the market, more power to them.
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
1102
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Posted - 2016.02.26 08:37:48 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Once a pilot achieves a certain level of skill why not open a portion of space up where only Elite Pilot's would be able to access?
In Elite Pilot space, roughly 2500 new systems, Capsuleer's would engage in missions built around Sleeper's, Drifters and other new entities long forgotten from New Eden's past.
I really think you missed Apocrypha. "Elite pilot space" is low and NPC nullsec and w-space, sov space is for farmville but none of us is actlually "elite", we are just more experienced than others and use any mistake the other party makes or they are so afraid to get beaten by a girl that they bring even more numbers.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Adeline Rais
Rais Industries and Research Incorporated
25
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Posted - 2016.02.26 09:39:01 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No.
SurrenderMonkey wrote:No.
It seems opinion on this matter is split.
Also... No. |
Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2154
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Posted - 2016.02.26 11:02:28 -
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Add prestige like in call of duty. Once you max out all your skills, you lose all your SP but you get a shiny star next to your name
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
943
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Posted - 2016.02.26 11:13:39 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Once a pilot achieves a certain level of skill why not open a portion of space up where only Elite Pilot's would be able to access?
In Elite Pilot space, roughly 2500 new systems, Capsuleer's would engage in missions built around Sleeper's, Drifters and other new entities long forgotten from New Eden's past. 2500 systems for 50 players?
And no watchlists to know which one of them are online so you could find them?
Huehuehuehue
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
411
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Posted - 2016.02.26 11:37:35 -
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if you can show us a character who has done it legitimately (ie. the hard way, by having a subscription for ages), then sure until then NOPE
For posting an idea into F&I:
come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it.....
If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
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Arla Sarain
757
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Posted - 2016.02.26 12:23:40 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue. And then people will dump even more ISK into it and get to that new cap. Then what? Skill to XV? Yeah, the natural cycle of all MMOs.
Add new content cap Reach new content cap Add new new content cap Reach new new content cap
etc. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
759
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Posted - 2016.02.26 15:17:58 -
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Last time I read an article on skills in EvE(about a year ago) they calculated it would take between 24 and 27 YEARS to train all skills in the game to level 5 depending on implants. Surely the new skill extractors could shorten that but what would it cost and how many players would be willing to pay it? Which raises the question of why make this major change to the game for the few, especially when it would put new players at even greater disadvantage then they are now.
Adeline Rais wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No. SurrenderMonkey wrote:No. It seems opinion on this matter is split. Also... No. So in the end it seems I am destined to even further split the opinion on this one.
NO |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4768
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:26:58 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue. Yup, with King Ralph on that one... With Skill Extractors/Injectors, maxing out a character is now a euphemism for 'I have no idea how to play an advanced character'. It's just an opportunity to re-adjust your skill setup to play the way you like. Maxing out on all skills at all Level 5 is an utter waste of SP's to start, nobody plays at that level, unless playing EVE was your 18 hour a day job/hobby. If you need more space, just extract in areas you aren't using, retrain and refill. Make some ISK off of it. Time = ISK.
You have no idea how correct you are. Going from 80 million to max will mean you destroy 920 million SP in the process.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4768
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:30:34 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Orion Pax wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue. Lol, link to a pilot's eveboard that has everything maxed out while not being bugged. Here you go: http://eveboard.com/pilot/IronBank You missed the important point of the request: "while not being bugged". Injecting SP does not count. Any normally training character is still years from even close to max SP. He missed the fact that that character was born on 11 Feb 2016 (15 days ago) and yet he has been online for 55 days with his daily average online being over 3 days at a time. It would take aprox 2630 skill injectors to go from 80 million to max SP if you used only injectors. For simplicity lets say each one is worth 650 million. That would cost 1.7 trillion isk to achieve. So if someone wants to drop about 2 trillion isk and buyout all the injectors on the market, more power to them.
Actually, the online number, according to Chribba, is for the account. So if he created that account X days ago, then created an alt on that account X-10 days later, then you'd see numbers like that.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4768
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:33:17 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:DrysonBennington wrote:Once a pilot achieves a certain level of skill why not open a portion of space up where only Elite Pilot's would be able to access?
In Elite Pilot space, roughly 2500 new systems, Capsuleer's would engage in missions built around Sleeper's, Drifters and other new entities long forgotten from New Eden's past. 2500 systems for 50 players? And no watchlists to know which one of them are online so you could find them? Huehuehuehue
Not to mention that merely having lots of SP does not make one "elite". Especially in this case.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
473
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:59:19 -
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Plus 99.999% of the SP is useless in any given scenario anyway. When that dude is flying a titan, his frigate, corporation, research, manufacturing, etc, skills, are not being utilized. Same goes for anything else he's doing. Even if he skill injected JUST all ships and related systems, he can only max out his ability to use a ship to the same level everyone else can achieve in under a year or two, and most people probably already have mastery level 4 to their preferred ship choice. And protip: many of the skills in "mastery" are useless or contrived anyway, and completely unnecessary in combat.
So what does Ironbank, or anyone else that maxes out their SP, do that you can't? Absolutely nothing. Chances are that any ship you currently fly often, you can fly as well as he can. He can ONLY ever evenly match you, he can't get to any level in a ship that you can't get yourself in a relatively short amount of time.
There's no pay to win here. There's only "pay to be extraordinarily inefficient". Those mining, corp management, titan skills, etc, are almost guaranteed losses because he'll likely never use them. Manufacturing slots? How often do you think they'll log this guy in for manufacturing? Well, if he's going to be useful for anything, that might be a good start. But invention? Research? Trading at the hubs? So many people already maxed out their relevant skills there that he can only compete with them, he can't surpass them there either.
So this is much ado about nothing. Really.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2633
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Posted - 2016.02.26 19:42:46 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Orion Pax wrote:People are reaching max SP on their characters. Make it so you can skill up to lvl 10 with diminishing returns or add something so people that max out their skills still have more stuff to put on their skill queue. And then people will dump even more ISK into it and get to that new cap. Then what? Skill to XV? Yeah, the natural cycle of all MMOs. Add new content cap Reach new content cap Add new new content cap Reach new new content cap etc.
Those game are also designed/maintained around that... |
Praal
Bearded BattleBears I N F A M O U S
22
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Posted - 2016.02.26 19:54:32 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Yeah, the natural cycle of all MMOs.
Add new content cap Reach new content cap Add new new content cap Reach new new content cap
etc. Not following that cycle is one of the reasons a lot of us still play EVE after 10 years but have bought-played-quit a dozen other MMOs in that same 10 years. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2293
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Posted - 2016.02.26 20:01:42 -
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No.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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