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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:23:24 -
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On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher.
Microsoft ended the mainstream support for Windows XP 7 years ago (14 April 2009) and extended support ended 2 years ago (April 8th 2014). While we wanted to maintain support for XP and Vista for as long as possible, it is now causing too great a burden on our development team.
Although we are aware this change will affect 3.2% of our player base, we cannot continue to maintain the additional overhead supporting this platform causes. Sunsetting Windows XP support will simplify development and the complexity of our platform testing. This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.
You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016. If you are unsure what Operating system you have you can check on this site.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1130
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:33:11 -
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Good riddance I say. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
315
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:33:19 -
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[Reserved]
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | Team Trilambda | @CCP_Vertex
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JonnyPew
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:56:45 -
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3.2% is more than I would've guessed
EVE Online is my hobby
http://www.youtube.com/JonnyPew
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CCP Tellus
C C P C C P Alliance
43
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:57:52 -
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Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? |
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
111
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:59:16 -
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CCP Tellus wrote:Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? Vim, make, csh, gdb, gcc. What more could one need?
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Athena Arbosa
10 Hammers Black Ops Division The Lost Fleet of Eve
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Posted - 2016.02.26 18:18:51 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.
As a member of the Linux playerbase, dropping the old launcher isn't a matter to us, WINE handles the new one well. However, the same can't be said of DirectX11...
Do you have a timeline for the deprecation of DirectX9? Or should we expect it SoonGäó?
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
315
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Posted - 2016.02.26 18:31:42 -
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Athena Arbosa wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future. As a member of the Linux playerbase, dropping the old launcher isn't a matter to us, WINE handles the new one well. However, the same can't be said of DirectX11... Do you have a timeline for the deprecation of DirectX9? Or should we expect it SoonGäó?
No current timeline is in place for DirectX9 sunset but we're thinking about it internally.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | Team Trilambda | @CCP_Vertex
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Eklykti
Zion foundation Legion of xXDEATHXx
45
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Posted - 2016.02.26 18:42:34 -
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DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
188
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Posted - 2016.02.26 19:06:09 -
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Hm. Yes I understand why. Yes I knew it wouldn't last forever. But still .....
Did you know I switched to Win XP on my secundary (bootcamp) partition because the client started working slower and disconnected more and more and more until I became unable to jump a stargate in MacOS/X ?
Well now you know. I could (should) have filed a bug report but I simply didn't know where to start. I literally watched the client degrade, reinstalling didn't cut is so I switched back to XP as a last resort and all my troubles were gone -snap!- just like that. All of a sudden, I could up the graphics from Low on Mac to High all the way. But really ..... it USED to run on Mac. Smooth even. Now it doesn't anymore and I don't know why.
Am I the only one with Mac troubles? Or does this mean I have to poke you for the next four months with said bugs (crashes, disconnects and 30-50 second freezes) to try to revert to MacOS before XP finally closes shop?
Yes I'm willing to put it in debug mode for your benefit if only I knew how. Anybody willing to look into the matter? |
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
135
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Posted - 2016.02.26 19:08:27 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Athena Arbosa wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future. As a member of the Linux playerbase, dropping the old launcher isn't a matter to us, WINE handles the new one well. However, the same can't be said of DirectX11... Do you have a timeline for the deprecation of DirectX9? Or should we expect it SoonGäó? No current timeline is in place for DirectX9 sunset but we're thinking about it internally.
How about Vulkan? might make porting to linux natively easier in the future ;) |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
170
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Posted - 2016.02.26 19:10:13 -
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if we modify our windows XP / windows vista registry to attempt bypss and try to keep using old launcher on these systems will we get banned for doing this? its stupid change t not allow launch eve from older operating systems to be honest vista is not that old, would be better to let players still run their eve clients on whatever system they get but for any problems they wont get support. removing ability to play eve on windows xp or windows vista is somewhat discriminating and not evryone has good eoungh hardware to hop up into windows 7 or so. |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
135
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Posted - 2016.02.26 19:17:28 -
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Amak Boma wrote:if we modify our windows XP / windows vista registry to attempt bypss and try to keep using old launcher on these systems will we get banned for doing this? its stupid change t not allow launch eve from older operating systems to be honest vista is not that old, would be better to let players still run their eve clients on whatever system they get but for any problems they wont get support. removing ability to play eve on windows xp or windows vista is somewhat discriminating and not evryone has good eoungh hardware to hop up into windows 7 or so.
here is the important bit: your OS does not get security updates anymore. this is bad for you and for the ecosystem of the internet in general. if you cant hop on windows 7 give linux a try. they have lightweight options for your desktop like lxde or xfce.
just staying on dead operating systems is *not* an option. |
Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
80
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Posted - 2016.02.26 19:24:01 -
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Funnily enough this news does NOT appear in the old launcher.
The launcher that XP users get.
So if they don't read the forums ..... they might not get this message.
You might want to look into that. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
315
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Posted - 2016.02.26 19:50:42 -
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Eklykti wrote:DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad.
Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :)
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | Team Trilambda | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
315
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Posted - 2016.02.26 19:53:46 -
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Amak Boma wrote:if we modify our windows XP / windows vista registry to attempt bypss and try to keep using old launcher on these systems will we get banned for doing this? its stupid change t not allow launch eve from older operating systems to be honest vista is not that old, would be better to let players still run their eve clients on whatever system they get but for any problems they wont get support. removing ability to play eve on windows xp or windows vista is somewhat discriminating and not evryone has good eoungh hardware to hop up into windows 7 or so.
I will let customer support comment on if that breaks any rules, I will however say that Vista is a bit different than XP. That is to say that when we drop our old launcher, we know it will not work on XP but it may run on Vista. We will not be putting any measures in place to specifically stop Vista from accessing the game. However Vista will be unsupported so any issues encountered will not be acted upon by our development teams.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | Team Trilambda | @CCP_Vertex
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.26 20:06:14 -
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damn, now i need to upgrade my rig
Better the Devil you know.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2016.02.26 20:24:03 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Eklykti wrote:DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad. Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :)
But you claim to support mac-os. Don't ya know that both have to run on an x server to draw a gui or do you think mac os does draw guis by magic?
Vulkan + Mantle would be the better option in the long run anyways. Vulkan = adult entertainment video.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
114
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Posted - 2016.02.26 20:31:29 -
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elitatwo wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:Eklykti wrote:DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad. Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :) But you claim to support mac-os. Don't ya know that both have to run on an x server to draw a gui or do you think mac os does draw guis by magic? Vulkan + Mantle would be the better option in the long run anyways. Vulkan = adult entertainment video. Does MacOS use X? Or Wayland? I believe that Apple uses its own thing there... But not that I actually care about Apple :P
While it would be most awesome to have the engine run under Vulkan, it is far from trivial to rewrite a engine to use a different graphics API... This will *never* happen with Carbon. Maybe (that's a gigantic maybe) with the thing that will replace Carbon at some point, but I think that to be so unlikely that we might as well not even think about it.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
188
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Posted - 2016.02.26 21:05:16 -
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Thought Carbon was end-of-line as well. My Mac still has X, a legacy leftover from 10.5.4. I don't think it's still included in the later OS/X releases -- the "X" mostly refers to the roman number 10, as in "version 10". It's not an X-windows server (anymore), unfortunately. |
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Cat Harkness
Twilight Labs Elemental Tide
40
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Posted - 2016.02.26 22:02:32 -
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I can understand XP, but why would ANYONE still be using VIsta?????????????????????
Cat Harkness
CEO
Twilight Labs
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Resinball
Teh Hive Collective Carebear News Network
2
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Posted - 2016.02.26 23:37:35 -
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thank ******* god... the chip manufacturers are even on board with this, which is even more reason to force an upgrade for an old dead systems with huge security holes. NO MORE SUB 10!!! HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong.
Thank you CCP For ending legacy device support. |
Kamideus
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.02.27 00:00:21 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Am I the only one with Mac troubles? Or does this mean I have to poke you for the next four months with said bugs (crashes, disconnects and 30-50 second freezes) to try to revert to MacOS before XP finally closes shop?
Yes I'm willing to put it in debug mode for your benefit if only I knew how. Anybody willing to look into the matter?
I've experienced the freezes quite a bit since the November 2015 patch. I've had to force quit EVE at least once a day since then... When you force quit an application you are also bypassing the auto crash report tool so this is a problem. It would be nice to see some love given to the mac community once again. Although percentage of Mac players is probably small I would assume, and the general attitude towards such a small percentage of players probably doesn't warrant immediate attention.
I'm not API proficient enough to use Numbers (Apples spreadsheet app) but would be nice, at the very least be able to easily find an exported file from the game. Yes, I have looked up this issue in the forums and the information there is no longer relevant with the OS changes since then. Pretty sad that most of the post are relevant to older OS X versions. Using El Capitan my self. But it goes to show how long it's been since the Mac community has seen the love. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1130
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Posted - 2016.02.27 00:04:44 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:CCP Tellus wrote:Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? Vim, make, csh, gdb, gcc. What more could one need? Valgrind. |
Azami Nevinyrall
New Eden Spooks Ghost Riderz In The Sky
2265
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Posted - 2016.02.27 00:34:32 -
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Quote:You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016.
Ok, now, look at something cool...like my petition history. Mainly my most recent one with how the new launcher keeps on crashing for no bloody reason...
...did you read my petition history?
For all of those without GM/Dev access to my account.
TL:DR...
I recently made the hop over to the new launcher. With a freshly installed OS, with up to date drivers and everything. This PC is only used for gaming, (mainly EVE) and about 4 websites. I don't even go on the interwebs on this thing. Just Steam and EVE!
So, when I installed the New launcher, it keeps on crashing, it doesn't even generate crash reports. A few weeks of back and forth between CCP tech support, I get a "Yeah, I dunno what to say" final message. The only way I can play EVE is the old launcher.
So, now what am I suppose to do?
Contract me your dead!
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
318
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Posted - 2016.02.27 01:09:43 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Quote:You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016. Ok, now, look at something cool...like my petition history. Mainly my most recent one with how the new launcher keeps on crashing for no bloody reason... ...did you read my petition history? For all of those without GM/Dev access to my account. TL:DR... I recently made the hop over to the new launcher. With a freshly installed OS, with up to date drivers and everything. This PC is only used for gaming, (mainly EVE) and about 4 websites. I don't even go on the interwebs on this thing. Just Steam and EVE! So, when I installed the New launcher, it keeps on crashing, it doesn't even generate crash reports. A few weeks of back and forth between CCP tech support, I get a "Yeah, I dunno what to say" final message. The only way I can play EVE is the old launcher. So, now what am I suppose to do?
I have sent a mail to the team handling the new launcher, I am confident that if they are not already aware of the issue you are having they will be in contact to find out more. :)
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
116
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Posted - 2016.02.27 08:16:14 -
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Resinball wrote:IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that **** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
1102
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Posted - 2016.02.27 10:57:50 -
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Overdue |
Lord Vyper
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.27 11:32:22 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Resinball wrote:IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that **** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE.
Haha your privacy is an illustion |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
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Posted - 2016.02.27 11:50:05 -
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Lord Vyper wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Resinball wrote:IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that **** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE. Haha your privacy is an illustion What's an illustion?
But anyway. I've forgotten far more about IT security and cryptography than about 99.99% of currently breathing humans will ever know about it. I also do not live in the US and do know how to protect my privacy and keep myself anonymous.
It may be an illusion for you and the majority of others, but not for me. I do not only care, I also have the knowledge to keep it the way I like it.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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