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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.08 00:11:24 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:If you are running Windows XP, that Microsoft stopped offering security patches for it on April 8, 2014 means that you're taking on a substantial security risk. Don't take that as an offense; our personal security should be our business, not yours. There are reasons why Windows XP should no longer be used, and that is not one of them. Your company provides the service to a freetime activity, an entertainment, a game. What we do with our security is not and should not be your concern.
Unless of course you have a valid reason to say that by using your product there are additional security breaches cracking open for windows XP that can be exploited. But then it would have been your premise to close them on the client side already long ago.
I understand that Windows XP has to die in terms of manhour maintenance and so forth and so on, but putting security on the table is not valid.
Lan Wang wrote:what do you expect from a game launcher? Managing maximum allowed download speed Managing different locations for different clients for performance and orderly reasons. Not screwing up everything in the system profile settings when storing client sided information. Storing cache in client locations instead of system folders or rather, letting the player choose where to save that. To iterate on that point; it's useless to have character images for one client cache each. The only things that should be stored on different locations should be UI customizations and gaming preferences. There is no reason to add up image bulk, yet that's what is still being done.
Last but not least: having no launcher at all. The times when Eve was launcher-free have been golden. Sadly they are gone. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2086
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Posted - 2016.06.08 00:37:12 -
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On the question of security risks for users of Windows XP, please refer to Microsoft's statement on the end of life for Windows XP for more information.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Zedah Zoid
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
32
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Posted - 2016.06.08 02:54:39 -
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Amak Boma wrote:windows vista support ended not long ago at all so why you discontinue supporting vista at all ? theres one vista package thats supported to 2017 afaik .
WILL game still run on windows vista at all or it will give just message "sorry you are running outdated and obsolete system please upgrade to higher to play this game" or we will be allowed to keep going? what will be done exacly
As far as I know, all Vista versions are still supported under Extended support until April 11, 2017. Of course that doesn't mean CCP has to follow suit. I hope Vista continues to work for a while because I've got a couple other things to pay for before I buy a new gaming rig. Just re-subbed after a fairly long spell of winning Eve too. I'd hate to win again so soon. This PC might be old, but it's still 64-bit Vista and DX11 capable.
Vista Support Lifecycle |
Duke Garland
Solar Vista. The Anubis Accord
3
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Posted - 2016.06.08 09:32:33 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. [snipped unimportant rest]
As somebody still using the old launcher, though after a migration of my HDD and as such my EvE-installation to win8.1 I get as much as I will also be unable to login through the old launcher anymore. However the last time I tried downloading the new launcher it started to attempt downloading the whole client again alongside (I stopped at that point). Was that changed? How will I be able to migrate from the old launcher to JUST the new launcher without having to download the entirety of the game files again (a pain when you're stuck to backwater DSL)? Always had the hope for CCP to include an update call so that the old launcher would update itself into the new one (at the latest point when the new launcher went out of beta (in last December or so?)) but as things read like you're simply gonna cut the wires and be done with it. Will CCP add an option before 30th June to have just the old launcher update itself into the new one? |
Cpt BusterRoids
i420 Inc
3
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Posted - 2016.06.08 11:33:16 -
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Bravo ! Its about time eh ..... with only 3.2% of the player base using these outdated OS's, this really should have been done long long ago at-least 2 years ago. Any-who keep up the good work. |
tearshed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.08 11:36:03 -
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CCP, you still haven't answered. What about Steam users? |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.08 13:50:55 -
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tearshed wrote:CCP, you still haven't answered. What about Steam users? As someone who does not use Steam to start up Eve, how is the process looking in Steam? Can you still launch the game via the exe file in the bin folder or does Steam pitch a fit then? Can you bypass the launcher by using the "verify integrity" option if there is a patch? If you install eve via steam, does it prompt you with the old or the new launcher? Are the game settings like UI changes still stored in system folders or in the steam libraries / cloud? |
Runiba Toll
Alfred E. Newman Fan Club
5
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Posted - 2016.06.08 13:55:15 -
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Anke Eyrou wrote:So if I cancel my accounts because I dont want to upgrade my OS will I get a refund on them as I will no longer be able to play Eve?
Personally I doubt ccp will refund a red cent. However, when the game stops running on my hardware I will bail from eve due to lack of support, and I recommend that anyone that is unsupported also bail. Don't pay for what you aren't receiving. It is incumbent upon CCP to provide service to you in exchange for what you pay them. If no service, stop paying. Very simple concept, self correcting system. There is more to life than eve, although few eve players remember this. When the eve servers crash, many people meet their spouses again after being away for months. This lack of support may be a good thing for those affected.
P.S. I am surely NOT going to buy new hardware to play eve of all things. And I refuse to adapt to another user interface when Microsoft PROMISED back in the outset of windows 1.0 I would never need to learn another user interface. I've learned about 5 from Microsoft windows updates since then and I am done. If I am demanded to learn another one I will refuse. I can do without, whether windows 7, eve, internet or whatever, I can see the virtues of being a luddite. The only reason people support upgrading to windows 10 is they haven't upgraded that one too many times yet. You will ALL learn and then come to be disappointed that you didn't listen earlier to the ones that had already reached saturation. Forced upgrades are a grab for isk/money and are not to the consumers benefit, just the provider of said product as an excuse to sell more. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3099
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Posted - 2016.06.08 14:09:18 -
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Runiba Toll wrote:Anke Eyrou wrote:So if I cancel my accounts because I dont want to upgrade my OS will I get a refund on them as I will no longer be able to play Eve? Personally I doubt ccp will refund a red cent. However, when the game stops running on my hardware I will bail from eve due to lack of support, and I recommend that anyone that is unsupported also bail. Don't pay for what you aren't receiving. It is incumbent upon CCP to provide service to you in exchange for what you pay them. If no service, stop paying. Very simple concept, self correcting system. There is more to life than eve, although few eve players remember this. When the eve servers crash, many people meet their spouses again after being away for months. This lack of support may be a good thing for those affected. P.S. I am surely NOT going to buy new hardware to play eve of all things. And I refuse to adapt to another user interface when Microsoft PROMISED back in the outset of windows 1.0 I would never need to learn another user interface. I've learned about 5 from Microsoft windows updates since then and I am done. If I am demanded to learn another one I will refuse. I can do without, whether windows 7, eve, internet or whatever, I can see the virtues of being a luddite. The only reason people support upgrading to windows 10 is they haven't upgraded that one too many times yet. You will ALL learn and then come to be disappointed that you didn't listen earlier to the ones that had already reached saturation. Forced upgrades are a grab for isk/money and are not to the consumers benefit, just the provider of said product as an excuse to sell more.
think about how developers feel when they have to keep living in the past because people don't want to upgrade for "reasons" i mean come on windows xp, really?
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John E'Texan
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2016.06.08 14:26:53 -
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I'm one of the 3.2% and have posted a request for suggestions for a new computer build here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=484184
I'm adding the above link in hopes that traffic from this post might lead to useful suggestions there.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
893
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Posted - 2016.06.08 14:37:12 -
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I get why people don't want to upgrade their computers. It's a pain in the ass. But by the same token, software developers are under no obligation to continue to support your outdated system.
My opinion has always been, if the computer does what you want it to do, it's fine. If it doesn't, you have two choices:
1) Stop doing whatever it is that it will no longer do, or 2) Upgrade the PC.
Which you do is up to you.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
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Posted - 2016.06.08 14:37:18 -
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Glad to see it go. I have Windows XP at work and our new information software that we recently got could not run on it so they upgraded all of our computers to Windows 7.
We were so happy, we actually threw a party at work to celebrate the demise of Windows XP.
I do feel sorry for those running on Windows XP, but sheesh, please update your OS.
This would cure me of the fear...
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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.08 16:24:25 -
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It should be noted that Windows XP bottlenecks hardware. I've seen plenty of computers behave very nice and perform better than before simply by upgrading the operating system. And if enough time passes between, let's say, your Windows 7 activation on your old computer and putting that Win7 on a new machine, nobody cares about that second activation as long as the other computer remains off the web. Or even better, read official microsoft: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/de-activate-windows-7-on-one-computer-and-re/1ed415dd-c770-46ad-882c-a105afb52047
I've seen genuine Win7 Professional keys at 80 bucks and less, which is a mere fraction of a new computer. And if you don't even need the winXP emulation that Win7pro offers, or any of the other additions, just pick Win7home for even cheaper. Check out this chart to understand what you need and what not. |
Ozmodan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2016.06.08 20:36:17 -
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If you are on the internet, security should be your number 1 worry. Hackers etc, literally love anyone running XP. Most botnets are heavily made up of XP users. Chastising CCP for mentioning that has to make you wonder if you spend your life with blinders on.
If you run Eve on an XP computer it is just a matter of time before someone hacks your Eve account. Secondly XP is highly inefficient, your computer will run faster on 7 on up.
Personally, I really like 10, it is far more secure than any of the other windows operating systems and if you are so turned off by privacy issues there are a number of programs out there that turn off most of those issues.
As to privacy, if you are on the internet you really don't have any because such companies like Google and Facebook as examples are much worse for your privacy than Microsoft is in Windows 10.
As it has been mentioned above many times, Linux is an excellent option if you are so concerned over Microsoft issues.
Get your head out of the sand and upgrade. |
Juana Cavin-Guang
Republic Of Pew Lost Cause Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.06.08 21:15:13 -
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Quote: On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher, which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end.
Okay, fair enough. This is quite understandable.
Quote: Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher.
Hey now, hold up just a second here!
Just because you will no longer provide support for the OS doesn't mean you should go out of your way to PREVENT anybody using that OS from running Eve.
At the very least, change it such that running Eve is done at the user's own risk, and any issues or degraded performance of Eve that arise from using the unsupported OS will not be addressed by the developer team, and all issues involving crashes/etc. will NOT be refunded, even in instances where if the same issue is present in a currently supported OS that would ordinarily warrant a refund (such as losing a ship due to the issue, etc.).
I can completely understand dropping support, yes, but please let the users attempt it anyway at their own risk, with perhaps a few additional notes and additional limitations to preventing abuse and encourage them to upgrade.
The "we don't support it therefore we prevent unsupported ones from ever using our software" dogma that plagues the mobile market should be left as a mobile market unique problem, and not expand to other types of software.
They may be 3.2% of the user base, but the current path simply cuts them off completely. The software may still work, perhaps with a few issues (and there will be a guide or two out not too long after about getting around those I am sure), but I really dislike the "upgrade to the next gen or cancel your subscription" ultimatum that is left to that userbase. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.08 22:24:19 -
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Ozmodan wrote:If you are on the internet, security should be your number 1 worry. Hackers etc, literally love anyone running XP. Correct, so that means if you are really concerned about security you get a second computer that acts as your through-put router where you configure the firewall and antivirus, before you even get to the modem. That way you can run any OS you want on your actual computer and actual OS that you prefer. Which means Windows XP has nothing to do with it. If you are really concerned about security, you never let your computer regardless of OS be directly connected to the modem / router combo. But the moment you have an external solution running, it means nothing for the actual Windows XP or any other OS security itself as long as you set it up correctly. Hell even routers themselves have a reasonable hardwire firewalls to be configured since a while. Also, if you don't go to pornographic sites, don't watch streams of illegal videos and TV series, don't torrent cracked programs illegally and whatnot, use adblock, disable flash player allowing websites to save stuff on your harddrive by default and don't click any link under the sun, there is basically not really something that you should be concerned of, as long as you have rudimentary antivirus and anti-spyware programs installed that are freeware.
Ozmodan wrote:Get your head out of the sand and upgrade. Ever thought about that some people can't afford that and only play eve via plexing ingame with the little effort it takes? And before you comment, consider you're not to judge anyone for their playstyle or what they should do or what they should not do to "make more money" or something like that. I do know someone who is in exact that situation and in the little free time they have, they enjoy a bit of spaceships. Or rather, at least while they can and while it lasts.
All that aside, I'm still curious if it is possible to run eve online on windows XP bypassing the launcher completely and only using the repair tool, as I previously mentioned. Might as well pull out my old windows XP computer. |
Zenst
Aliastra Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2016.06.09 02:43:15 -
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Malachir wrote:I use Vista, and have no problems with it. If the new launcher doesn't work with it, then we'll see if the shortcut works. If it doesn't, then I'm going have to consider a new computer...which will have to wait.
Indeed same, and been few security issues that effected all versions of windows and not vista, still people love to complain and do not realise windows 7 is just Vista SP2 with some features dumbed down, as all iterations of windows have been and with that, works fine. Indeed only have windows for eve and whilst a new PC would be a solution, I'm somewhat lacklustre in bothering just to maintain a game account I'm just keeping ticking over and with that I guess it is time to call it a day.
Thanks for the fun CCP, bye. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
330
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Posted - 2016.06.09 05:22:27 -
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One thing I would like to know, more out of interest than anything else, is if EvE's usage metrics are different than those of other MMOs.
EvE is more of a "nerdy" game or so I've heard said. And us nerds care for our computers. Those still running XP as I do, most likely do so for reasons beyond Average Enduser Joe's grasp... We don't just pick some random gear off the shelf, we go for specifics.
Of course I understand CCPs position is this -- I too have spent time making software Win 8.1 compatible yet maintaining XP Embedded backwards compatibility (even win95 for a long time until I was seduced by function calls not available in said APIs; sounds familiar eh?).
I'm just curious if there's a comparison between EvE hardware/OS combinations and, say, league of legends or what have you not?
CCP Spreadsheet Wiz? I know you have the data; care to share? |
Denali Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2016.06.09 09:41:25 -
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I'm still on XP for reasons. This move will knock me out of Eve. I've been trying to identify a way to get to Win7 for months, but hardware driver issues just won't quit.
Also the "obsolete" thing just kills me. I run a bunch of boxes that use SSH, but none of them ever suffered the Heartbleed bug. Why? Heartbleed was introduced with a string of routine patches that I deemed unneccesary. By the time a useful patch came around, Heartbleed was identified and removed. A patch can fix something that's broken, equally well as it can break something that's fine.
Question, then...Until DX9 dies, if I can do a file sync from a Win7 box, will I still be able to start the client directly without the launcher? I learned how to do that when my regional Eve CDN fell down for several months. MONTHS I say. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
2
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Posted - 2016.06.09 11:28:36 -
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Edit: sorry, forum derped and only quoted your text and not my reply and just refreshed the page.
Denali Audeles wrote:Question, then...Until DX9 dies, if I can do a file sync from a Win7 box, will I still be able to start the client directly without the launcher? I learned how to do that when my regional Eve CDN fell down for several months. MONTHS I say. I might as well try and see what happens if I copypaste the win7 new client to windows XP but I don't think that will do anything. Even though the client is 32bit, the new launcher is incompatible with XP. As long as you have the old installation running, you should have access to the repair.exe in order to manually patch without ever booting the launcher, provided you start the game from the exefile in the bin folder.
However, it remains a mystery still if that works on that fateful day. |
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Serene Atruin
Cam Corp.
0
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Posted - 2016.06.09 13:24:50 -
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So... for those of us on Windows 7 that have to use the old launcher because the new one crashes when I attempt to open it. Is that going to be fixed or can I use Steam if I didn't buy it thru there? I'm at a loss of how I'm going to play considering the only launcher that works for me is the old one.
System Specs:
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Intel Core i-7 4790K CPU @ 4.00 GHz 16.0 GB Installed RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980
http://i.imgur.com/pjeFcyn.jpg
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3114
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Posted - 2016.06.09 13:40:34 -
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Serene Atruin wrote:So... for those of us on Windows 7 that have to use the old launcher because the new one crashes when I attempt to open it. Is that going to be fixed or can I use Steam if I didn't buy it thru there? I'm at a loss of how I'm going to play considering the only launcher that works for me is the old one. System Specs: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Intel Core i-7 4790K CPU @ 4.00 GHz 16.0 GB Installed RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 http://i.imgur.com/pjeFcyn.jpg :-(
why are you not upgrading to 10?
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
346
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Posted - 2016.06.09 13:41:32 -
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Juana Cavin-Guang wrote:Quote: On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher, which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end.
Okay, fair enough. This is quite understandable. Quote: Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher.
Hey now, hold up just a second here! Just because you will no longer provide support for the OS doesn't mean you should go out of your way to PREVENT anybody using that OS from running Eve. At the very least, change it such that running Eve is done at the user's own risk, and any issues or degraded performance of Eve that arise from using the unsupported OS will not be addressed by the developer team, and all issues involving crashes/etc. will NOT be refunded, even in instances where if the same issue is present in a currently supported OS that would ordinarily warrant a refund (such as losing a ship due to the issue, etc.). I can completely understand dropping support, yes, but please let the users attempt it anyway at their own risk, with perhaps a few additional notes and additional limitations to preventing abuse and encourage them to upgrade. The "we don't support it therefore we prevent unsupported ones from ever using our software" dogma that plagues the mobile market should be left as a mobile market unique problem, and not expand to other types of software. They may be 3.2% of the user base, but the current path simply cuts them off completely. The software may still work, perhaps with a few issues (and there will be a guide or two out not too long after about getting around those I am sure), but I really dislike the "upgrade to the next gen or cancel your subscription" ultimatum that is left to that userbase.
The reason Windows XP does not work with the new launcher wasn't a conscious effort on our part but rather yet another instance of new technology not being supported on an old OS. We choose to align the switch over of the new launcher with a change to the system requirements rather than spend additional development resources on support 2 launchers which would only add to ongoing development complexity.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
1056
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Posted - 2016.06.09 13:48:36 -
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Serene Atruin wrote:So... for those of us on Windows 7 that have to use the old launcher because the new one crashes when I attempt to open it. Is that going to be fixed or can I use Steam if I didn't buy it thru there? I'm at a loss of how I'm going to play considering the only launcher that works for me is the old one. System Specs: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Intel Core i-7 4790K CPU @ 4.00 GHz 16.0 GB Installed RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 http://i.imgur.com/pjeFcyn.jpg :-( Try setting an environment variable called QT_OPENGL to one of the following values: desktop angle software
See http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000549.htm if you are unsure of how set environment variables.
The launcher section (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=7296) of the forums is usually the best place to get help with launcher issues.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
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npumapx
FreedomBay.N
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Posted - 2016.06.09 14:19:02 -
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Hello i live in ukraine, i worked at a pharmaceutical factory. Sorry for bad english but I see all painted with the theme on it. I earn $ 120 in mounth this is a normal salary for the working people in my country I have a computer which gives out 40 fps at medium settings , but to put dx11 need to buy a new system unit that costs $ 500 and that I should do not eat food and not have to pay for an apartment , thanks for the beautiful new explosions rocket, or that there still, and I am not alone , many will have to leave the eve Online thanks again ccp, and goodbye. Welckome 8-9k online. |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
269
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Posted - 2016.06.09 14:46:56 -
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CCP Tellus wrote:Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? That was so funny. Hooboy.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Dinkler Aurilen
Doom Generation
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Posted - 2016.06.09 14:48:24 -
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Hi - I've been having issues with the new launcher for some time now. I submitted a support ticket (133073), and I've been working through that support ticket with one of your GMs. That ticket, as you'll see, was originally submitted Feb 26th, and the new launcher still doesn't work for me.
I have:
- reinstalled Eve numerous times
- reinstalled my operating system - trying Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10 (I'm currently on Win10, not XP or Vista or whatever)
- purchased a new router
- purchased multiple new ethernet cards - both wifi and wired
- purchased a new motherboard
... all for Eve. I have no issues with other programs. I can play other multiplayer games without a problem: League of Legends, World of Warships, etc etc. I can visit other websites with no issue. I have a Mac laptop that can use the new launcher, so it isn't an issue with the network infrastructure. Unfortunately, that Mac doesn't play Eve well.
When I look at the logs, there appears to be an SSL connection error. Looking deeper at packet capture software, it appears the SSL connection is established each time (ie handshake occurs) but then is force closed by either the client or server. It seems to be random each time. The frustrating part is that I can go into the log and successfully download the upgrade file bits using my web browser and that exact URL (including HTTPS://).
The old launcher works, but the new one does not. It also appears the new launcher uses code that was not in the old launcher.
Even though we've been working on this since Feb 26, there's still no resolution. If the end of the old launcher is June 30th, and if there isn't a fix to the new launcher, I will be unable to play Eve beyond June 30th.
Oh, and re: the fellow from Ukraine above me: I have a new, fast machine. i5-6600k, 32gb RAM, Geforce 970GTX, etc. The explosions are nice, but I'm with him - I just want to play the game. |
npumapx
FreedomBay.N
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Posted - 2016.06.09 15:07:11 -
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Dinkler Aurilen wrote:Hi - I've been having issues with the new launcher for some time now. I submitted a support ticket (133073), and I've been working through that support ticket with one of your GMs. That ticket, as you'll see, was originally submitted Feb 26th, and the new launcher still doesn't work for me. I have:
- reinstalled Eve numerous times
- reinstalled my operating system - trying Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10 (I'm currently on Win10, not XP or Vista or whatever)
- purchased a new router
- purchased multiple new ethernet cards - both wifi and wired
- purchased a new motherboard
Oh, and re: the fellow from Ukraine above me: I have a new, fast machine. i5-6600k, 32gb RAM, Geforce 970GTX, etc. The explosions are nice, but I'm with him - I just want to play the game. I also arranged the old explosions, but now I understand that with your dx9 I just can not get into the game
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3152
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Posted - 2016.06.09 15:13:00 -
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Amak Boma wrote:windows vista support ended not long ago at all so why you discontinue supporting vista at all ? theres one vista package thats supported to 2017 afaik .
WILL game still run on windows vista at all or it will give just message "sorry you are running outdated and obsolete system please upgrade to higher to play this game" or we will be allowed to keep going? what will be done exacly What we are doing exactly is that we are deprecating the old EVE Launcher. The timeline is approx. as follows:
- Feb - Announcement
- Jun - Reminder
- Jul - Download links removed
- Aug - Backend systems changed, old launcher stops working
We are not going to block operating systems that are not supported in the new EVE Launcher. If it works then you can use it.
That being said:
- We know for a fact that the framework we use in the new launcher, Qt, doesn't work on Windows XP in the manner we are using it. We decided that given the age of Windows XP and the low usage by now, it was not worth the effort to support Windows XP anymore. Another reason to stop supporting Windows XP that was a part of the overall decision is detailed in our https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/directx-9-phase-out/ dev blog.
- In the first few builds of the new launcher it didn't work on Windows Vista. It turned out to be just a single function call that we changed so it would work, and in all likelihood the new launcher will continue to work on Windows Vista. But we won't be testing it. The usage of Windows Vista is very little by now and we can't justify the testing effort any longer. If we inadvertently break it on Windows Vista you can file a bug report and we'll look into fixing issues that come up.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.09 15:27:15 -
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Drazz Caylen wrote:Can you give us a list of what exactly you do that won't work on windows XP any more or is it just the new launcher you're trying to force on people that will read "winXP" and go "nope" ? It's more fundamental than that; we're not checking the OS and blocking Windows XP, it's simply that the framework we use in the new launcher, Qt, doesn't work on Windows XP in the manner we are using it so the application (the new launcher) won't run.
Drazz Caylen wrote:How long will you be supporting Windows Vista and 7 ? So far I'm not the least bit convinced to upgrade to anything past 7. In fact, I'm more likely to change to Linux if Vulkan runs as smooth as planned. We are stopping support for Windows Vista at the same time as Windows XP. However, unlike Windows XP and similar to Windows 2000 back in the day then Windows Vista will continue to work for some time.
We *may possibly* support Windows 7 until 2022 but we haven't laid out a timeline for it.
Drazz Caylen wrote:What is the percentage of people using Windows Vista and 7 playing Eve compared to 8 and 10? - Windows 10- 51.6%
- Windows 8.1- 8.3%
- Windows 8- 1.0%
- Windows 7- 37.6%
- Windows Vista- 0.6%
- Windows XP- 0.8%
Drazz Caylen wrote:I remember when you phased out windows 2000 support. The game still worked after you officially discontinued it, but made the point hat support cannot help you to get it working. Back then there was no launcher to annoy us, so now you tie it to the launcher. See Windows 2000 comment above. The decision to phase out Windows XP stemmed from the new EVE Launcher and the DX9 phase-out plan https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/directx-9-phase-out/
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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