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Kalar Vrask
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Posted - 2003.12.11 07:13:00 -
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Alrighty, here's the significant bit :-
Syrine > We at Nexus Inc would be interested in what was tested over the weekend on the ore-distribution and how did those tests go? (RE:
Hellmar's comment in this past week's Dev Chat) Hellmar > me TomB and leKjart are scheduling a big ore-dist session to address the problems with the current schemes Hellmar > lekjart has already located bugs in the current system Hellmar > expect better distro and Spodumain and Arkonor back in when Castor comes to TQ Hellmar > .
Semi-cyptic as usual, anyone care to speculate on what's going to happen to rare prices post-patch?
Will there be *more* or just better 'distribution' of what's already out there (i.e. no giant scordite...)?
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The Calculator
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Posted - 2003.12.11 07:36:00 -
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If people only mine out the high end ores, there will always be an ore shortage.Scordite will always have a faster regrowth rate, otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as 'rare' ores.
So prices might fluctuate for a while, but unless miners really learn their lesson and give high ores a chance to regrow (highly unlikely ) then we would plummet into another Megacyte crisis in a few months.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.12.11 07:51:00 -
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Quote: If people only mine out the high end ores, there will always be an ore shortage.Scordite will always have a faster regrowth rate, otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as 'rare' ores.
So prices might fluctuate for a while, but unless miners really learn their lesson and give high ores a chance to regrow (highly unlikely ) then we would plummet into another Megacyte crisis in a few months.
and how do you go about making sure that those roids regrow? and how do you plan to protect you belts from ppl just mining bits off of them, while your not there?
23/7 gaurd or what? ya get real how much would that cost do... and the reward is $hit already
i just wonder how they plan to do this... now with tech2 items req more npc goods more and more ppl will be mostly in empire space... so hmm who will be mining those little annoying roids and camping 23/7 out there just for few units of ore a day support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.11 08:00:00 -
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Quote: So prices might fluctuate for a while, but unless miners really learn their lesson and give high ores a chance to regrow (highly unlikely ) then we would plummet into another Megacyte crisis in a few months.
If miners don't mine out the entire belts, there's a shortage anyway. The only reason they've been doing so is because the stuff is needed, and will sell.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.12.11 08:48:00 -
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Not so... there is a LOT of Scordite mined. If the new distribution is galaxy wide then mining only Bistot in remote belts won't matter as long as plenty of Scordite is mined in nearer belts. Most of the Bis will respawn as Scordite, but some of the Scordite will respawn as Bis (in a suitable sector).
If they keep distribution localized though, there WILL be trouble. Although once player stations come in (or even GOOD mobile refineries) people who stay in 0.0 space most of the time will probably mine low end ore there too...
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2003.12.11 09:15:00 -
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I was under the impression that if you mine a scordite roid in empire space it has a 50/50 percent chance of spawning in empire / 0.0 space, but still as a scordite roid not omber or bist etc.
Is this wrong?
Lord Guerdo Biomass Cartel I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
MSDborris
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Posted - 2003.12.11 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: MSDborris on 11/12/2003 09:37:28 id just like to point out to the oringnal poster i made a thread almost the same and my thread was made one hour b4 hes. and mines dead. oh well at least the we both did the same Quote
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Kalar Vrask
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Posted - 2003.12.11 11:04:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: MSDborris on 11/12/2003 09:37:28 id just like to point out to the oringnal poster i made a thread almost the same and my thread was made one hour b4 hes. and mines dead. oh well at least the we both did the same Quote
I'm sorry, didnt' mean to gazump ya, noticed the thread after I'd posted.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.12.11 11:13:00 -
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and how do you go about making sure that those roids regrow? and how do you plan to protect you belts from ppl just mining bits off of them, while your not there?
23/7 gaurd or what? ya get real how much would that cost do... and the reward is $hit already
i just wonder how they plan to do this... now with tech2 items req more npc goods more and more ppl will be mostly in empire space... so hmm who will be mining those little annoying roids and camping 23/7 out there just for few units of ore a day
you = not paying attention.
roid respawn and will be fixed and roids will be redistributed when Castor hits Tranquiltiy. That's this moneday.
That means that there WILL be bistot, there WILL be Arkonor, there WILL be Spodumain. all there in reasonable quantities.
About the it not being worth it; you'll be able to build your stuff..
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Kalar Vrask
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Posted - 2003.12.11 11:20:00 -
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Quote: That means that there WILL be bistot, there WILL be Arkonor, there WILL be Spodumain. all there in reasonable quantities.
ahh, does it though?
Redistribution means the same amount of ore distributed in a different manner throughout the universe. Doesn't necessarily mean the ark & spod will be sizable, or that there will be anymore megacyte available, does it?
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Lanish
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Posted - 2003.12.11 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lanish on 11/12/2003 11:45:27 A shot in the dark regarding dynamic Roid content & growth.
The mining of ore in empire space is relative to the growth of ore/roids in non empire space and visa-versa. You'll have the corps strip minning out in non empire space fueling the ore load in empire space and again, visa-versa therefore both fueling both.
If no one mines large amounts in empire space then the growth of the roids in non-empire space will not be affected, as opposed to an increase in growth rate.
This could possibly bring some players who just mine for high end ores back into empire space to assist in the balance of ore.
Not too sure on the maths for this ratio/calculation or how it could be integrated into Eve.?
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.12.11 11:46:00 -
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Quote: If people only mine out the high end ores, there will always be an ore shortage.Scordite will always have a faster regrowth rate, otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as 'rare' ores.
So prices might fluctuate for a while, but unless miners really learn their lesson and give high ores a chance to regrow (highly unlikely ) then we would plummet into another Megacyte crisis in a few months.
Sorry to disagree, but this is not a matter of miners mining it to extintion. It's a matter of demand. If they mine it, is because they can sell it, in other words, there is a demand for it.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.12.11 11:52:00 -
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ahh, does it though?
Redistribution means the same amount of ore distributed in a different manner throughout the universe. Doesn't necessarily mean the ark & spod will be sizable, or that there will be anymore megacyte available, does it?
Yes it does. The roid distro is fubar, fixing it and redistributing the ore and respawning the ark and spod roids (which are gone due to bugs) will alleviate the meg prob
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.11 13:01:00 -
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Safest bet:
Cancel any buy orders for megacyte and shut down production for at least a week.
The biggest risk is on the megacyte sellers. Do they sell now and cash in before the price drops? Do they hold onto their stockpile and cash in after the price jumps due to...new barriers between megacyte and empire space?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.12.11 13:22:00 -
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I for one will hold it just because it's a giant pain to go to empire space unless you have a ton of mega or zyd.
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Babar
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Posted - 2003.12.11 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Babar on 11/12/2003 13:45:11
Quote: Edited by: Lanish on 11/12/2003 11:45:27 A shot in the dark regarding dynamic Roid content & growth.
The mining of ore in empire space is relative to the growth of ore/roids in non empire space and visa-versa. You'll have the corps strip minning out in non empire space fueling the ore load in empire space and again, visa-versa therefore both fueling both.
If no one mines large amounts in empire space then the growth of the roids in non-empire space will not be affected, as opposed to an increase in growth rate.
This could possibly bring some players who just mine for high end ores back into empire space to assist in the balance of ore.
Not too sure on the maths for this ratio/calculation or how it could be integrated into Eve.?
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My theory on the current system:
Amount of each ore is constant - each unit of bist you mine respawns in a random belt that is supposed to have the ore.
The current, poor, bist availability is due to all the ore in accessible systems being mined out, stacking up in hard-to-reach systems.
Since there's no large scale mining in remote space, ore respawn in accessible systems suck..
I'm assuming most of the rare minerals used in production right now comes from recycled market goods.
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