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Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
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Posted - 2016.03.01 07:18:59 -
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Hello Space Friends! o/
I am an aspiring Solo BlOps pilot (+1 covert cyno/bait/alt), my JDC 5 will be popping this week and hopefully be able to start my operations next week. i already did some preps like scouting, bookmarking and generally intel gathering of the space i want to play around but still there's alot of info that i need to know. i also watched some of Gulnar's and MaSL's vids and theyr're awesome. so i hope some of you would give me some good advices and i thank you all in advance.
1. is a force recon too obvious for a covert cyno/bait? 2. do you usually consider your bait to die? 3. what is preferred, active tank or buffer for both bait and blop ship? can you give some Sin fits? (please for starters and relatively cheap 2B max, not like Gulnar's/MaSL's 7B.)
That's all for now.
Thank you again.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1102
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Posted - 2016.03.01 14:35:36 -
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Solo Black Ops is a thing? |
Raya Efiel
Darkness Consumed Special Snowflake Squad
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Posted - 2016.03.01 15:32:13 -
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This:
Estella Osoka wrote:Solo Black Ops is a thing?
1. bait? A better bait I'd think would be a BR (blockade runner) as they can fit cov cynos, and people will probably try to kill them if they can catch one.
2. Depends on what you are tackling and what the cyno ship is. A Falcon is unlikely to die, while a Prospect probably will. I've never seen bait used in BLOPS stuff before, so I'm not sure how long a BR would last.
3. No tank? Your tank is not being on grid/in system. If you commit, you should be ready to kill super fast and get out just as quickly.
I believe Linus Gorp flies Sins reasonably often. He might be a good person to ask about fits and suggestions.
Good hunting,
~Raya |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising The Bastion
1483
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Posted - 2016.03.01 21:42:34 -
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A BLOPS battleship can jump to, or bridge selected other (covert cloak using) ships to, either a covert cyno or a normal GÇÿvanillaGÇÖ cyno. This means you can use any ship you wish for bait. Bait ships rely on a number of different baiting strategies. Some offer a seemingly easy kill GǪ perhaps a miner or industrial ship or apparently derp behaviour GǪ intent upon turning the tables once their target has taken the bait. Others offer an attractive killmail GǪ perhaps a faction battleship or a capital GǪ intent upon engaging their targets thoroughly and then bringing in the cavalry. Some rely on being cloaky and / or fast moving, and tackling targets that were not necessarily intent upon PvP. This latter group includes the cyno-ceptors and cyno-mining-frigates we so often see nowadays, and some of the hunter-killer recon efforts.
The benefits of using a covert cloaking bait ship and covert cyno are mainly that the cyno is only visible to folk on grid, the cyno can be lit in cyno-jammed systems, the cyno lasts a lot less time and uses a lot less fuel. Your choice and use of a bait ship will depend on what youGÇÖre trying to do and how you like to play your eve. Do you want your target to be unable to warp away? If so your bait will need a scram or point, or hictor / dictor bubble. A downside of such a baitship is that the character will quickly become known as BLOPS bait-cyno operative, and you will increasingly find yourself counter-dropped and dead. Do you want the bait ship to survive the encounter? Never guaranteed, but if so then frigates and industrials may not be great choices, and recons / T3s become increasingly attractive. Survival may become more a priority if you are operating deep in enemy space, where death might mean a half day reshipping and relocating. If youGÇÖre just burning into the fringes of target space from ajacent lowsec then you can die a be back on the task rather quickly. Do you see yourself as a hunter-killer or more the bait-and-switch role? Covops recons and T3s provide excellent long-range BLOPS hunter-killer functionality. TheyGÇÖre able to tackle and tank-up to survive many encounters but theyGÇÖre also kinda obvious BLOPS-bait. Blockade runners can light covert cynos but their survivability is rather poor so unless you are only tackling unarmed industrials IGÇÖd not suggest a BR, and even then there are better options for that gameplay style. I use BRs extensively to relocate and resupply BLOPS guys, but that is about it.
Obvious bait? If you last long enough in eve you will inevitably hear people use this term GǪ as in GÇ£Drake! ItGÇÖs obvious bait.GÇ¥ or GÇ£Player-name, System-name, Proteus. Known BLOPS-cyno character. Obvious baitGÇ¥. GÇÿObvious baitGÇÖ is a real yes-but term. Sometimes that derping drake will not be bait, or he may have mismanaged his fleet membership / cyno fitting / liquid ozone disposition, and make for an unexpectedly easy kill. So, IMHO, obvious bait is usually obvious GǪ but sometimes itGÇÖs not. Great help there I know :-)
Solo BLOPS BS efforts, and fitting the ship? I usually see BLOPS BSs operating in packs, but occasionally see a solo effort. ItGÇÖs up to you whether the risk GÇô return of solo BLOPSing rocks your boat. As for fitting, well thereGÇÖs a bundle of fairly standard combat BLOPS fittings in pretty widespread use. Go to the killboards and start looking. You will get an idea of what people do, and should be able to decide which approaches and fittings are attractive to you.
I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
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Lucy Callagan
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
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Posted - 2016.03.01 22:17:03 -
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You can ask Linus as said before, but you can also ask: https://zkillboard.com/character/92412087/ which is also a decent blops pilot and actually already flew with linus according to zkb
Frugu.net
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Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
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Posted - 2016.03.02 13:21:29 -
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thanks for the tips so far. i might made a mistake in the terms here, what i mean with bait is the hunter, i guess.
so, is this fit good as a hunter?
[Proteus, Cov Cyno] Damage Control II 1600mm Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Explosive Membrane II Drone Damage Amplifier II Reactor Control Unit II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Warp Scrambler II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Covert Cynosural Field Generator I Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Warrior II x5 Acolyte II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
thank you. o7 |
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.03.03 12:12:43 -
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My tip for a newbro is not to drop a black ops solo. Get some experience in a black ops gang first both as a hunter and a dropper. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
126
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Posted - 2016.03.03 13:14:33 -
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Huh, found this thread by pure coincidence.. Didn't think anything about it and see my name mentioned here
Well, come by in Bombers Bar...
I still want my Fedo back!
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Eridon Hermetz
Ghosts'n Stuff Sustainable Whaling Inc.
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:51:16 -
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Linus Gorp wrote: Frenchy is taking a EVE break. Not online much these days. Also, I still want my Fedo back!
I'll be back |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
126
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Posted - 2016.03.03 20:04:35 -
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Eridon Hermetz wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: Frenchy is taking a EVE break. Not online much these days. Also, I still want my Fedo back!
I'll be back
Sadly the university is still keeping me busy :(
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Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
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Posted - 2016.03.03 20:53:47 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:My tip for a newbro is not to drop a black ops solo. Get some experience in a black ops gang first both as a hunter and a dropper.
well, my main, who had trained the sin, is in FW... my corp does blops once in a while so i had some small experience in dropping around the warzone but not that often.
i don't want to leave FW as of yet, but if blops indeed is my true calling then i might.
again, ty for all the advices. |
Lucy Callagan
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
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Posted - 2016.03.03 21:11:17 -
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Linus Gorp wrote: Also, I still want my Fedo back!
I really don't have it, i only grab the shinny.
Frugu.net
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1111
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Posted - 2016.03.03 21:21:45 -
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Eridon Hermetz wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: Frenchy is taking a EVE break. Not online much these days. Also, I still want my Fedo back!
I'll be back for hunting i use this baby when i want huge tank Quote:[Tengu, Hermetz's Tengu] Damage Control II Inertial Stabilizers II Power Diagnostic System II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400
Covert Cynosural Field Generator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier the fit may vary a bit when i need more agility/more passive tank/more active tank Why tengu ? because it has an awesome bonuses with the nullifier subsystem : agility bonuses it's helping A LOT for warping/hunting away , any second less to catch a guy are good to take Proteus aren't bad , but it's really hard for him to catch the EHP of a passive tengu with the same agility , so , kinda meh for me actually (erm erm... i mean ... before my break) i used to use A LOT my tiny buzzard of doom Quote:[Buzzard, Hermetz's Buzzard] Inertial Stabilizers II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Small Shield Extender II Ta3 Compact Ship Scanner
Covert Cynosural Field Generator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Expanded Probe Launcher II,Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Small Processor Overclocking Unit II it's really tricky to survive when you light the cyno with him , but it's so fking fast and so small and so unobvious when hunting , it gave me a LOT of killz with it For BlackOps , like i say ALWAYS , fly the one you can "easily" reach i mean , personally , some years ago , i was closer to have a descent Panther for soloblopsing with my skillz , before the Sin (i wasn't perfect with drone skills at this time) and with time , you take/choose the one you WANT to fly for me , even in Solo , Widow is a beast because of : sick tank , sick dps (even with cruise missile ) and dank ecm (if you put isk on it...i fly with officier ecm) but , in GENERAL , the Sin are the FOTM for soloblopsing , because SICK tank , lots of high utility slot for everything you need (NOS , Neutra , Smartbomb , everything) and enough low slot to play with it (some people use 4 DDA , some other 3 DDA and 1 omni tracking , some other fly with Nano/InertiaStab , etc etc) but , in ALL CASE , for pure solo (and even in small gang) i would advice you to Train JDC V asap Maximise you'r tank skillz (compensation and such) Bling you'r ship as much as you can afford (especially THE TANK ! the rest can wait) And know you'r prey (there is a lot of baits out there , be REALLY carefull , it's better to avoid 1 shinney target than loosing you'r 3-4B blops because you did'nt pay attention) that's all for me if you need any tips/advice , feel free to ask me and/or Linus , we can help you with pleasure for you'r first drop :)
I would think the longer point on the Prot would make it more viable. Also, why not use one of the Force Recons? |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
127
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Posted - 2016.03.03 21:27:19 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:I would think the longer point on the Prot would make it more viable. Also, why not use one of the Force Recons? The Proteus is way too slow. That 50km point won't help you at all when the target is long gone by the time you manage to land in the anomaly. T3s have the benefit of being nullified, while scanning frigs are really great when you hunt with combat probes instead of d-scan. I've more or less written it down in my hunter sheets: http://mopam-eve.org/resources/hk_seminar.pdf
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Eridon Hermetz
Ghosts'n Stuff Sustainable Whaling Inc.
56
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:20:26 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:I would think the longer point on the Prot would make it more viable. Also, why not use one of the Force Recons?
like we say, the problem with the proteus it is he can't reach the SAME agility AND/OR the same tank than a tengu and like linus say , every second less to catch a target count the less time you take , the more chance to catch you got
as for using ReconShip, im not fan , even with their good tackling bonuses and good agility (in shield tank/nano fit)
gonna explain in short : its too fking obvious!
a lone rapier/arazu/whatever roaming around is obvious for anyone !
a T3 are a little less obvious,because they can be use for solopvp and/or ninjafarming in hostile space
a prospect still got a "WTFBBQcovertcynoMiningFrigate" effect
and a alone covertops (like i do) are less obvious because people can see you as a relic/data explorer
a good hunting ship is always a choice betwenn : tackling/speed/furtivity/tanking
there is none a "jack all of the trade" huntingship , you have to pick what you need and what you want and make sacrifice
for exemple , when i hunting in a region with a hellatons of bubbles,i pick the tengu, iam maybe slower than my buzzard but i dont spend the whole time on bubble
and when i hunting in a region without bubble , i pick. the buzzard because hes fracking fast and unobvious |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
127
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:30:22 -
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Eridon Hermetz wrote:a prospect still got a "WTFBBQcovertcynoMiningFrigate" effect Eridon Hermetz > "oooh...prospect , its just a mining frig....WTF OMG !!! IM SCRAM/WEB !! OMAGAD CYNO !! AAAARRAGH...."
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Lucy Callagan
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
48
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Posted - 2016.03.04 12:28:38 -
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[Crane, ]
Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
Warp Scrambler II 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Covert Cynosural Field Generator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
https://youtu.be/YgWFqRDfNkU?t=51
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Eridon Hermetz
Ghosts'n Stuff Sustainable Whaling Inc.
57
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Posted - 2016.03.04 16:26:22 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:[Crane, ] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Warp Scrambler II 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Covert Cynosural Field Generator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II https://youtu.be/YgWFqRDfNkU?t=51
i am Eridon Hermetz , and i approve this fit 10/10 |
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