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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2152
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Posted - 2016.03.01 20:06:54 -
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-1, WH-control items are gross.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1883
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Posted - 2016.03.02 02:43:03 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:How the hell does something you plug into your brain make dimensional rifts?
Space magic. It doesn't exist in EVE.... yet, but it's coming! Weeeeeee. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1883
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Posted - 2016.03.02 02:58:08 -
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The bear angle:
1.Gather tons of goods to sell in Thera. 2. Load them up in you big bear hauler (premium insurance coverage for max payout). 3. Create one way WH. 4. Jump in before it's scanned down. 5. Warp to station before anyone can tackle your bigfatass and unload your goods. 6. Undock and get insured freighter popped (weeee insurance). 7. Rinse and repeat.
Overhead is gathering LP or purchasing one way ticket implant thinger and the cost of a freighter (minus the insurance payout). Profit is..... well probably staggering at the high end and a cheap way to resupply your Thera based minions on the low end.
Add in the obvious pvp abuse - it's literally a cyno into a wh and you get a -1 for the idea. |
Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
28
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Posted - 2016.03.02 08:22:49 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:The bear angle:
1.Gather tons of goods to sell in Thera. 2. Load them up in you big bear hauler (premium insurance coverage for max payout). 3. Create one way WH. 4. Jump in before it's scanned down. 5. Warp to station before anyone can tackle your bigfatass and unload your goods. 6. Undock and get insured freighter popped (weeee insurance). 7. Rinse and repeat.
Overhead is gathering LP or purchasing one way ticket implant thinger and the cost of a freighter (minus the insurance payout). Profit is..... well probably staggering at the high end and a cheap way to resupply your Thera based minions on the low end.
Add in the obvious pvp abuse - it's literally a cyno into a wh and you get a -1 for the idea. Yes, it's a cheap one-way cnyo for everyone to a single hub system. Just imagine the daily madness. I think it would be beautiful. I would like the LP cost of the SoE wormhole generator to Thera to be low, maybe even a permanent module made available after completing a SoE mission arch.
Opux Luxury Yacht's would probably make the safest haulers for flying through station bubble spam. Bigger haulers can get in, however they have to work out deals with the group presently defending 1 of 4 stations--which defense of Thera station will likely always be in flux (by the ease of getting into system with the 1-way /moveme proposal).
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Tabyll Altol
Viziam Amarr Empire
155
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Posted - 2016.03.02 10:11:13 -
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Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:Multi-use implant that creates an unstable wormhole anywhere in space into Thera. Wormhole collapses immediately upon entrance.
Think about it like a sisi /moveme command to put you in Thera (just includes a quick animation).
-Implant cannot be used to leave Thera. -PvP kickstarter. Serves instant button function of bringing more ships and bodies into the Thera lion's den. Fleet's can get into Thera quickly and form up to assault stations or out connection wormholes. -Power projection back into K-space limited by mass restrictions of wormholes. Project small to medium sized gangs across New Eden if you can survive getting out of Thera.
TL:DR: Personal 1-way WH generators only to Thera. Spawn in, fleet form up, and fight out. On demand PvP content.
It-¦s called jump clone ^^ use it.
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
29
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Posted - 2016.03.02 10:18:04 -
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Tabyll Altol wrote:It-¦s called jump clone ^^ use it.
-1 You're missing what I'm suggesting. The proposal is about a fast way to bring ships into Thera for chaotic, Thunderdome type PvP. Jump cloning in doesn't quite do that.
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Iain Cariaba
2738
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Posted - 2016.03.02 17:42:41 -
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Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:Tabyll Altol wrote:It-¦s called jump clone ^^ use it.
-1 You're missing what I'm suggesting. The proposal is about a fast way to bring ships into Thera for chaotic, Thunderdome type PvP. Jump cloning in doesn't quite do that. And you're missing the myriad of ways this would be abused beyond what you intend, all of which make this a bad idea.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
29
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Posted - 2016.03.02 18:03:25 -
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@Iain Cariaba
Humor me.
-This functions as a /moveme generator to Thera. No one can stop you from getting into Thera, you set down at a random point in the system. -The Thera /moveme generator can't be used to escape active conflict (weapons timer active). -If a player uses the Thera /moveme generator to escape suspect timers or gate camps, they are placing themselves in a potentially more dangerous zone where everyone is being hunted. -I want access to the Thera /moveme generator to be cheap. Low LP cost or made available at no cost to the player after completing a mission arch (or astronomy project discovery missions which CCP teased a long while ago). -Power projection though Thera wormholes is a viable tactic but can be curtailed by several factors. a. competing with other players to access holes. b. Wormhole mass (which can be altered as needed) c. Thera wormholes are wandering.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1104
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Posted - 2016.03.02 20:08:01 -
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So basically scanning down entrances, using scouts, making friends, and using chat channels/website is too much effort for you; so you want a gadget that gets you there with 0 effort. So basically all the reward with 0 risk.
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Iain Cariaba
2739
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:57:22 -
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Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:-This functions as a /moveme generator to Thera. No one can stop you from getting into Thera, you set down at a random point in the system. Thus allowing anyone who wants to get to Thera to 100% avoid the already linked ways in, avoiding any and all attempts to shoot them on the way in. If you're afraid of getting shot at on the entrance, you don't belong in Thera.
Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:-The Thera /moveme generator can't be used to escape active conflict (weapons timer active). -If a player uses the Thera /moveme generator to escape suspect timers or gate camps, they are placing themselves in a potentially more dangerous zone where everyone is being hunted. This was never an issue. In fact, most ways for your idea to be abused have nothing to do with being in an active conflict.
Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:-I want access to the Thera /moveme generator to be cheap. Low LP cost or made available at no cost to the player after completing a mission arch (or astronomy project discovery missions which CCP teased a long while ago). Access to Thera is already free. The website linked in an above post provides the locations. What you're looking for is a way to get into Thera without any risk, which is not supported.
Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:-Power projection though Thera wormholes is a viable tactic but can be curtailed by several factors. a. competing with other players to access holes. b. Wormhole mass (which can be altered as needed) c. Thera wormholes are wandering. And your idea removes half the effect of those points you listed, as they would then apply only to the exit side of the projection.
I understand that you think your idea is all good, but you're failing to realize that when you multiply it's effect by a 200+ man fleet, it becomes seriously broken.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Lucy Callagan
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
47
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:12:12 -
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Plz don't **** up my home, thks
Frugu.net
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perseus skye
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2016.03.03 00:37:57 -
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Having to click a out of game website should never be used as a argument against adding in game features IMO .....especially as the out of game website would probably close down one day soon
Not that I am agreeing the s idea is good though |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2165
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Posted - 2016.03.03 00:49:10 -
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Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:@Iain Cariaba
Humor me.
-This functions as a /moveme generator to Thera. No one can stop you from getting into Thera, you set down at a random point in the system. -The Thera /moveme generator can't be used to escape active conflict (weapons timer active). -If a player uses the Thera /moveme generator to escape suspect timers or gate camps, they are placing themselves in a potentially more dangerous zone where everyone is being hunted. -I want access to the Thera /moveme generator to be cheap. Low LP cost or made available at no cost to the player after completing a mission arch (or astronomy project discovery missions which CCP teased a long while ago). -Power projection though Thera wormholes is a viable tactic but can be curtailed by several factors. a. competing with other players to access holes. b. Wormhole mass (which can be altered as needed) c. Thera wormholes are wandering.
When your idea abstracts to, "Basically it's a test server cheat command in item form!" it is an utterly **** idea.
What's next? /copyships implant?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Iain Cariaba
2740
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Posted - 2016.03.03 02:19:12 -
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perseus skye wrote:Having to click a out of game website should never be used as a argument against adding in game features IMO .....especially as the out of game website would probably close down one day soon
Not that I am agreeing the s idea is good though The website is just one of those things that the players have done that the Devs didn't expect. In this case, it makes it significantly easier to find the entrances to Thera, meaning that more people end up there than originally intended.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
29
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Posted - 2016.03.03 10:44:43 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:-I want access to the Thera /moveme generator to be cheap. Low LP cost or made available at no cost to the player after completing a mission arch (or astronomy project discovery missions which CCP teased a long while ago). Access to Thera is already free. The website linked in an above post provides the locations. What you're looking for is a way to get into Thera without any risk, which is not supported. Well yes, however the idea I keep trying to hammer with the proposal is adding significant risk to leaving Thera by introducing a mechanic that brings lots of weaponized bodies into the system.
'One night hauler' The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
29
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Posted - 2016.03.03 10:47:26 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:When your idea abstracts to, "Basically it's a test server cheat command in item form!" it is an utterly **** idea.
What's next? /copyships implant? Everything is a slippery slope with Eve people. No. This is just Thera.
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
947
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Posted - 2016.03.03 12:25:38 -
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Heiluri wrote:Considering how well Thera is connected to everywhere in the game this would be the most effective tool of force projection seen in the game. Not just that, you could open two wormholes from outside and form a direct connection from one system to another with only thera in between.
This would be by far the most ovepowered thing imaginable, even at 1b per use cost this would be ridiculously overpowered.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Helios Anduath
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
80
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Posted - 2016.03.03 12:27:14 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Not just that, you could open two wormholes from outside and form a direct connection from one system to another with only thera in between.
OP was talking about ONE-WAY wormholes INTO Thera so you would have to leave by Thera's standard compliment of holes. |
Helios Anduath
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
80
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Posted - 2016.03.03 12:31:14 -
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perseus skye wrote:.especially as the out of game website would probably close down one day soon
We are going nowhere anytime soon.
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
29
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Posted - 2016.03.03 12:47:13 -
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Helios Anduath wrote:perseus skye wrote:.especially as the out of game website would probably close down one day soon We are going nowhere anytime soon. Eve Scout is the best! Hug Fleets Best Fleets with Signal Cartel.
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
29
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Posted - 2016.03.03 12:52:32 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Heiluri wrote:Considering how well Thera is connected to everywhere in the game this would be the most effective tool of force projection seen in the game. Not just that, you could open two wormholes from outside and form a direct connection from one system to another with only thera in between. This would be by far the most ovepowered thing imaginable, even at 1b per use cost this would be ridiculously overpowered. It's only a one way move into Thera, it can't be used to leave Thera. Wormhole might not be the best description for the mechanic. Under this proposal you can't create a WH and use it to let someone escape Thera.
As Helios reiterated, you must use the naturally spawning wormholes in Thera in order to leave with a ship.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1108
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:41:14 -
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Again, no. This would be abused not only by PVP fleets but by Freighter pilots moving goods around.
Example 1: Freighter pilot in nullsec needs to get goods to Jita. Uses implant to go to Thera, then takes the nearest hisec exit to Jita. Drops goods off. Profit. No risk. Big reward.
Example 2: Freighter pilot in Dodixie needs to get goods to Jita. Uses implant to go to Thera, then takes the nearest hisec exit to Jita. Drops goods off. Profit. No risk. Big reward.
Thera would just become the easy mode access from nullsec to hisec. EVE is not supposed to be easy. You want easy, go play WoW. |
Helios Anduath
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
82
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:43:49 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Example 1: Freighter pilot in nullsec needs to get goods to Jita. Uses implant to go to Thera, then takes the nearest hisec exit to Jita. Drops goods off. Profit. No risk. Big reward.
Example 2: Freighter pilot in Dodixie needs to get goods to Jita. Uses implant to go to Thera, then takes the nearest hisec exit to Jita. Drops goods off. Profit. No risk. Big reward.
Thera would just become the easy mode access from nullsec to hisec. EVE is not supposed to be easy. You want easy, go play WoW.
While I do not like the OP's idea, I must point out that feighters can't use highsec Thera wormholes so both of these scenarios are not possible. They can only use NS or LS ones (plus some of the WH ones). |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1108
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:45:12 -
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Helios Anduath wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Example 1: Freighter pilot in nullsec needs to get goods to Jita. Uses implant to go to Thera, then takes the nearest hisec exit to Jita. Drops goods off. Profit. No risk. Big reward.
Example 2: Freighter pilot in Dodixie needs to get goods to Jita. Uses implant to go to Thera, then takes the nearest hisec exit to Jita. Drops goods off. Profit. No risk. Big reward.
Thera would just become the easy mode access from nullsec to hisec. EVE is not supposed to be easy. You want easy, go play WoW. While I do not like the OP's idea, I must point out that feighters can't use highsec Thera wormholes so both of these scenarios are not possible. They can only use NS or LS ones (plus some of the WH ones).
That is not what this article says: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/thera-and-the-shattered-wormholes/
Quote:None of the connections to Thera will admit capital ships (freighters will be able to squeeze in), none of the stations in Thera will allow capitals to be built, and there are no moons for starbase anchoring. This means the system will only ever contain sub-capital vessels. |
Helios Anduath
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
82
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:59:39 -
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That article does not state which wormholes allow access to freighters, only that freighters can get in. Heck, you can't even get battleships in through a HS Thera connection.
If you hover over the Wormhole type for the highsec connections to Thera on the EvE-Scout website, you will note that they say up to Medium Ships, so nothing above a Battlecruiser (or Nestor) in mass. We can also look at the static data for the two Thera HS wormhole types (Q063 and T458) you will note that they only allow 20 Mkg per jump while freighters are about the 1000 Mkg mark.
It used to be that Freighters could not enter through Lowsec wormholes either, but that was changed in Scylla:
Scylla Patchnotes wrote:The single jump mass limit on wormholes connecting Thera and Low Security space has been increased to 1,000,000,000kg |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1108
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Posted - 2016.03.03 17:30:01 -
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Helios Anduath wrote:That article does not state which wormholes allow access to freighters, only that freighters can get in. Heck, you can't even get battleships in through a HS Thera connection. If you hover over the Wormhole type for the highsec connections to Thera on the EvE-Scout website, you will note that they say up to Medium Ships, so nothing above a Battlecruiser (or Nestor) in mass. We can also look at the static data for the two Thera HS wormhole types ( Q063 and T458) you will note that they only allow 20 Mkg per jump while freighters are about the 1000 Mkg mark. It used to be that Freighters could not enter through Lowsec wormholes either, but that was changed in Scylla: Scylla Patchnotes wrote:The single jump mass limit on wormholes connecting Thera and Low Security space has been increased to 1,000,000,000kg
Even so, getting items from hisec to nullsec would still be doable using this idea. The whole idea creates the same power projection problem we had before jump fatigue, and it would inadvertently allow capitols into Thera; which is basically against the whole idea of Thera being a non-Capitol ship WH system.
This idea reeks of millenial self-entitlement. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4266
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Posted - 2016.03.03 18:07:23 -
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Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:Heiluri wrote:Where did massive amounts of force projection lead us last time? To the rental empires because no-one could challenge the groups that had the numbers and ability to project to the other side of New Eden in matter of minutes. Those groups still have the numbers required to do so and by allowing instant teleportation to Thera they are given back the power to hold large parts of the null sec easily. Wormhole mass physics would limit large scale projection into k-space territory. You could get large fleets mobilizing within Thera to protect (or collapse) wormhole access, however, it's still a race to find out-connections as they form.
Not really.... They can simply respawn wormholes by mass crashing statics with a fleet, doing a moveme back into Thera, and repeat until the new spawn is near your desired destination.
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
30
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Posted - 2016.03.03 18:32:18 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Even so, getting items from hisec to nullsec would still be doable using this idea. The whole idea creates the same power projection problem we had before jump fatigue, and it would inadvertently allow capitols into Thera; which is basically against the whole idea of Thera being a non-Capitol ship WH system.
This idea reeks of millennial self-entitlement. Then place mass restrictions on the SoE activation key to Thera. Why do you even see the need to bring up millennial self-entitlement? This is a feedback and ideas forums ffs. Let discuss things rather than resorting flippant rhetoric.
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
579
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Posted - 2016.03.03 18:39:29 -
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Sometimes you just read an OP....and you get a good laugh out of it.
+1 OP
+1
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
30
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Posted - 2016.03.03 18:41:18 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Not really.... They can simply respawn wormholes by mass crashing statics with a fleet, doing a /moveme back into Thera, and repeat until the new spawn is near your desired destination. Okay. There may be things that address this.
-Flat Thera /moveme activation cooldown. (1hr, 6hr, 12hr, 1 day, etc.) -/moveme Thera access is awarded once per day as a daily activity bonus for completing an astronomy Project Discovery task. -Jump Fatigue -Wormhole collapse drawbacks to the ship/player that prevent player from re-entering Thera for X amount of time via the Thera /moveme
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