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Merciless1
Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Anila's Delight
Originally by: Merciless1
Originally by: kieron We hope that this statement will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community.
That says to me that CCP have released their official statement and they are not going to discuss any future action taken.
The whole BoB are devs thing has sounded like a conspiracy against a greater PvP force from day one to me.
As I said previously, when a GM spawned a faction fitted rattlesnake the investigation and actions taken where made clear to the players. This sin't your normal "We dn't discuss GM actions" situation. When rules are broken on this level there is much more community interest, this is because it may have a signifigant effect on the community. This isn't about BoB or alliance politics, this is about senior CCP employees influencing the game. More importantly, releasing vague statments only adds fuel to the fire, so either be open and honest or expect the situation to get worse.
Originally by: Sausage Commandos A bobbeh titan at the station!, i curse at myself for being in a shuttle, so i head to station, change to ibis, return to find the scumbag had ran...
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Anila's Delight
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:23:00 -
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I am inclined to agree with the BoB forum professionals (gah!) on this one, bob have been branded as guilty before any eveidence has been presented to the comunity (which i dont think it will), because these kinds of allegations have been flying around for a while now.
Everyone who has posted anti-bob and bob=dev in this thread are taking the word of a known hacker (by his own admission) without proof to the contrary. Sounds like slandering a superier PvP force to me.
Sore loosers anyone?
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Sigmorhair
Gallente Eisenmetal
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:23:00 -
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I am just curious if *anyone* is suprised that since the GMS let the LV cheaters keep their motherships, that this "do nothing" result would be the outcome?
Grats Cheaters you win.
The game of Eve is over.
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Anila's Delight
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Merciless1
Originally by: Anila's Delight
Originally by: Merciless1
Originally by: kieron We hope that this statement will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community.
That says to me that CCP have released their official statement and they are not going to discuss any future action taken.
The whole BoB are devs thing has sounded like a conspiracy against a greater PvP force from day one to me.
As I said previously, when a GM spawned a faction fitted rattlesnake the investigation and actions taken where made clear to the players. This sin't your normal "We dn't discuss GM actions" situation. When rules are broken on this level there is much more community interest, this is because it may have a signifigant effect on the community. This isn't about BoB or alliance politics, this is about senior CCP employees influencing the game. More importantly, releasing vague statments only adds fuel to the fire, so either be open and honest or expect the situation to get worse.
Maybe the only action to date has been the removal of the known dev accounts and as such cant provide information on an event that hasnt transpired yet, as they may be waiting for more evidence to come to light.
I'm gonna wait this one out and see what more they may have to say.
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Steve Nash
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Anila's Delight I am inclined to agree with the BoB forum professionals (gah!) on this one, bob have been branded as guilty before any eveidence has been presented to the comunity (which i dont think it will), because these kinds of allegations have been flying around for a while now.
Everyone who has posted anti-bob and bob=dev in this thread are taking the word of a known hacker (by his own admission) without proof to the contrary. Sounds like slandering a superier PvP force to me.
Sore loosers anyone?
I don't think you can point a finger at the community here. The fact is that the statement delivered by CCP has served to cast more suspicion on themselves and BoB. I'm not a BoB hater, but somethin dont smell right.
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Skelator Fair enough Statement. Now hear my counterstatement/question.
What PROOF do you have Sir that there Weren't Witches found and not named or that there was a mass coverup OR That there weren't T-II BPO's found and not mentioned?
See the dilemma in your statement.
These folks just want a Real Itemized answer to the Dozen PLUS Charges nothing more nothing less. As paying customers like yourself they are just seeking reassurance like we all are. If Paying folks are worried about this please refrain from smacking them.
Skelator
I said I wouldn't post again, but this is a fair enough point to respond to. I do understand your point of view, but you also need to understand ours.
On one side we have those that have decided to wait for real proof before crucifying us for our alleged trangressions. Innocent until proven guilty. On the other side, we have the hate mongerers that we generally have a history with ingame, who have decided we need to burn no matter what the outcome of the investigation.
You're asking what proof we have that we are innocent, again, guilty until proven innocent. Now due to completely unproven allegations by some random lowlife, and the inability for CCP to make a clear statement about the matter, we won't ever be vindicated. You think you're annoyed about one BoB member getting frustrated, try having a community burning your alliance at the stake because of unproven allegations towards < 5 members.
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MessiahOfLight
Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: MessiahOfLight on 07/02/2007 07:29:52 Hm... i still think that only ONE answer would be accepted here, and im fairly shure that is also why no CCP employee reall posted anything about the cheating ****.
Whatever Kieron would say, the only answer that most in here would accept, is that when he would say "yes we have found Dev Characters within BOB who cheated for them" (or whatever else you wanna read).
None other. He could say that there was nothing found, that BOB didnt do anything wrong or whatever. Only that one answer would be accepted. Everything else would be taken as an attempt to cover something up. Wich makes it pretty pointless to post anything.
--MOL
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NTRabbit
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:33:00 -
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It is sometimes difficult to believe just how many intellectually deficient people play this game.
Kieron's post is quite clear. People who continue to rant and rave are either incapable of basic reading and comprehension, or will never actually read anything that contradicts their strongly held, and yet completely and ridiculously baseless beliefs regarding Band ofBrothers. My condolences go out to the developers who have lost their much loved characters and ingame identities due to the petulant whining of others.
Oh, and to the slow goon - fairly certain that being a Community Manager does not involve any kind of coding at all, and I would expect Kieron to be about as good at it as I am.
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Steve Nash
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: MessiahOfLight Hm... i still think that only ONE answer would be accepted here, and im fairly shure that is also why no CCP employee reall posted anything about the cheating ****.
Whatever Kieron would say, the only answer that most in here would accept, is that when he would say "yes we have found Dev Characters within BOB who cheated for them".
None other. He could say that there was nothing found, that BOB didnt do anything wrong or whatever. Only that one answer would be accepted. Everything else would be taken as an attempt to cover something up. Wich makes it pretty pointless to post anything.
--MOL
Possibly, but that would be better than no answer.
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Anonymous Coward
Gallente Panopticon Citadel
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio I said I wouldn't post again, but this is a fair enough point to respond to. I do understand your point of view, but you also need to understand ours.
On one side we have those that have decided to wait for real proof before crucifying us for our alleged trangressions. Innocent until proven guilty. On the other side, we have the hate mongerers that we generally have a history with ingame, who have decided we need to burn no matter what the outcome of the investigation.
You're asking what proof we have that we are innocent, again, guilty until proven innocent. Now due to completely unproven allegations by some random lowlife, and the inability for CCP to make a clear statement about the matter, we won't ever be vindicated. You think you're annoyed about one BoB member getting frustrated, try having a community burning your alliance at the stake because of unproven allegations towards < 5 members.
How exactly is substantiation supposed to be provided if it's just going to be deleted here anyways? Please don't use your sig to troll - Ductoris |
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Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: kieron Since these play characters are known to belong to CCP employees, they will be removed from the game. Many of them have been around since the creation of EVE and it is most unfortunate that these developers are now forced to end their relationships with their in-game friends, but that is our policy when the anonymity of staff members has been compromised.
Really sorry to read that
One of the saddest tings I have ever read, in these forums.
How will the developers recoup their gaming experience? Start a new character? Thats really bad considering eve has been going on for 3yrs. That means not really any developers in Capital Ships / Titans or any of them really able to participate to some of the advanced forms of gameplay in EVE.
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Sinze
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: MessiahOfLight So we are guilty until prooven otherwise...
There was some pretty damning evidence produced in relation to BoB getting T2 BPOs. The whole reason this entire investigation started is because people had read the evidence presented and gone "WTF", wanting CCP investigate it. We want to know what the outcome of that evidence was, and if it was verified, if things changed, or if anything happened. People just don't like vague statements that have no content and don't actually answer or address any of the things people wanted this investigation to take place for.
I think I speak for most of us when we say that it isn't BoB we're being angry about, it's the devs, and we'd like a proper response towards that. Nobody is holding every Band Of Brothers member accountable for what some director and some dev did. We just want to know SOMETHING. Please don't use your sig to troll - Ductoris |
bioqaz eylee
Amarr LifeLine Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:37:00 -
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Well all this has certainly lowered my view of EVE, but I doubt I will quit anytime soon. EVE is still great. But my point/question is this.
Who watches the watcher??
Does the head of the company, shareholders, director etc (the real top of the company), play EVE? Surly no one can fire the boss!
bio
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Steve Nash
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Nash on 07/02/2007 07:35:18
Originally by: Adam C
Originally by: kieron Since these play characters are known to belong to CCP employees, they will be removed from the game. Many of them have been around since the creation of EVE and it is most unfortunate that these developers are now forced to end their relationships with their in-game friends, but that is our policy when the anonymity of staff members has been compromised.
Really sorry to read that
One of the saddest tings I have ever read, in these forums.
How will the developers recoup their gaming experience? Start a new character? Thats really bad considering eve has been going on for 3yrs. That means not really any developers in Capital Ships / Titans or any of them really able to participate to some of the advanced forms of gameplay in EVE.
So you would be ok with a developer as a Titan pilot for an alliance? You see no conflict of interest there? This is not a flame.
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MessiahOfLight
Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sinze
Originally by: MessiahOfLight So we are guilty until prooven otherwise...
There was some pretty damning evidence produced in relation to BoB getting T2 BPOs. The whole reason this entire investigation started is because people had read the evidence presented and gone "WTF", wanting CCP investigate it. We want to know what the outcome of that evidence was, and if it was verified, if things changed, or if anything happened. People just don't like vague statements that have no content and don't actually answer or address any of the things people wanted this investigation to take place for.
I think I speak for most of us when we say that it isn't BoB we're being angry about, it's the devs, and we'd like a proper response towards that. Nobody is holding every Band Of Brothers member accountable for what some director and some dev did. We just want to know SOMETHING.
hm... ok so i go onto the Eve Forums and post something like what we are accused of, about your Corp or Alliance (if you have anything like that) with a nice picture or text that i fabricated in an hour or so, and stir some ppl up who will demand an Investigation on that matter... do i need to get further into that?
--MOL
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Nash So you would be ok with a developer as a Titan pilot for an alliance? You see no conflict of interest there? This is not a flame.
No. I don't view a developer using a standard account, any differently to anyone else using a standard account. The only thing I see as being a possible problem is a superior understanding of game mechanics, and tbh I think there are people in the community who know more than the devs :P
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Sigmorhair
Gallente Eisenmetal
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:43:00 -
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The best part about this thread as it develops is the same Bob pets and alts are lining up to claim everything is fine with cheating while virtually everyone else is unhappy.
That alone is pretty damning.
Just got back from closing all my accounts. And I know I am far from the only one. I guess when CCP feels it in the pocket, they may finally take the Bob/Dev cheating seriously. But it will probably be way too late by then.
Grats Cheaters.
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Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sigmorhair The best part about this thread as it develops is the same Bob pets and alts are lining up to claim everything is fine with cheating while virtually everyone else is unhappy.
That alone is pretty damning.
Just got back from closing all my accounts. And I know I am far from the only one. I guess when CCP feels it in the pocket, they may finally take the Bob/Dev cheating seriously. But it will probably be way too late by then.
Grats Cheaters.
exactly
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Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:44:00 -
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It's not so nice to see that even in a community like eve people can sink so low. People won't stop until someone or something burns. I wonder if people realise how paranoid they've become over a computergame.
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Anonymous Coward
Gallente Panopticon Citadel
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio No. I don't view a developer using a standard account, any differently to anyone else using a standard account. The only thing I see as being a possible problem is a superior understanding of game mechanics, and tbh I think there are people in the community who know more than the devs :P
Even when that developer is the manager of your capital ship program and has direct knowledge of your account-sharing cynonet? Please don't use your sig to troll - Ductoris |
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:44:00 -
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Devs are people too --
Latest Vid: Domination! |
Steve Nash
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:46:00 -
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A developer would have advance knowledge of upcoming events, changes in the game. This would give them and there corps/alliances a decided advantage on many levels. These two examples are the best case scenario as far as advantages go, and that's assuming that over years of gameplay the dev never once slips up and uses his "powers" to gain an advantage "just this once."
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Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw Devs are people too
Indeed, grats to all paranoid whiners! you've ruined someone's fun in real life. Hope you sleep well at night. |
Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kuolematon on 07/02/2007 07:48:51 Nice post there kieron.
You told us so much and yet you didn't tell us anything we wanted to know.
"The second part of the accusations stem from a leak of information pertaining to an in-game event arc. Due to the amount of time that has passed since the planning and execution of the event arc, we have not been able to confirm nor deny the veracity of these allegations."
Niiiiiiice!
You didn't tell us that was they part of RKK, did they give T2 BPO's and also what happened to those DEV's. We demand public executions and they losing their jobs. Perhaps you should make that there isn't any DEV characters INGAME. Why you need those anyway?
I for once aren't satiated with this answer.
Btw: Those who are settled for deletion of those DEV chars.. think again. They are merely renamed. I talked to ISD person in FF2005 and he said that he was compromised and CCP renamed his character. Playing Caldari-Online as a Amarr specced is PURE Hardcore
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Anonymous Coward Even when that developer is the manager of your capital ship program and has direct knowledge of your account-sharing cynonet?
Apart from the fact that account sharing is a no no, I wouldnt care what position a Dev was playing on a standard account.
People seem to focus on "devs" so much that they forget that they're actual people. People are cheering because (according to the OP) 3 years vets of the game are being forced to quit, not because they did anything wrong, but because they were named.
Imagine you had been playing EVE for 3 years, and suddenly had to quit the game through no fault of your own. That's the outcome of witch hunts.
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Anonymous Coward
Gallente Panopticon Citadel
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Anonymous Coward on 07/02/2007 07:45:44
Originally by: Sinlare Indeed, grats to all paranoid whiners! you've ruined someone's fun in real life. Hope you sleep well at night.
Yeah, damn those inconsiderate whistleblowers! If only they'd kept their mouths shut! Please don't use your sig to troll - Ductoris |
Niobe Farstar
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw Devs are people too
You know if the devs each wanted to pay me $15 per month to do something I love I would be grateful, and if they had a problem with what I was doing with their money I would want to please them.
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Anonymous Coward
Gallente Panopticon Citadel
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio People seem to focus on "devs" so much that they forget that they're actual people. People are cheering because (according to the OP) 3 years vets of the game are being forced to quit, not because they did anything wrong, but because they were named.
Imagine you had been playing EVE for 3 years, and suddenly had to quit the game through no fault of your own. That's the outcome of witch hunts.
Please forgive me if I don't break into tears when people who damned well seemed to be cheating and ignoring offenses that people in other alliances get banned for got caught and had to suffer a few consequences. Please don't use your sig to troll - Ductoris |
Steve Nash
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
Originally by: Anonymous Coward Even when that developer is the manager of your capital ship program and has direct knowledge of your account-sharing cynonet?
Apart from the fact that account sharing is a no no, I wouldnt care what position a Dev was playing on a standard account.
People seem to focus on "devs" so much that they forget that they're actual people. People are cheering because (according to the OP) 3 years vets of the game are being forced to quit, not because they did anything wrong, but because they were named.
Imagine you had been playing EVE for 3 years, and suddenly had to quit the game through no fault of your own. That's the outcome of witch hunts.
I suspect that the corps/alliances who know they have devs within their ranks see absolutley no conflict of interest. I also suspect that all the other poor saps feel cheated.
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Anonymous Coward I'm not only a dev, I own all the Vagabond BPOs.
Is that proof enough to ban you from the game? You seem to think it's enough to ban others.
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