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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 20:55:01 -
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What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?
It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.
Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.
The imbalance is real - most people who are traveling intra-Empire are doing so as a solo pilot. If every .4 gate has a camp of some kind, the players who don't belong to large corps (think: small business) are just getting pulverized.
Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.03.02 20:59:06 -
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98040 wrote:What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
None, because it's fine. Get some friends and go kill the campers.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14466
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:00:25 -
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last time i lowsec gate camped a 17 man blops fleet kicked my teeth in.
plenty of tools to evade, avoid , slap about, lernem and stop whinging
Better the Devil you know.
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Paranoid Loyd
8567
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:06:41 -
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98040 wrote:Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it. That's your job, not the developers.
98040 wrote:Way too easy. As easy as it is to avoid them if you don't have the numbers to fight them.
Fix the Prospect!
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:18:32 -
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This is the problem with consensus-driven development. The only way I make my point is by chopping down yours.
No one is arguing that Piracy isn't a real profession. I'm not complaining.
Ralph, great that you got ass-raped for a change, but you lost one ship. How many ships and pods did you kill before you lost your one ship? Imbalance.
Paranoid, Ofc the natural defense is 'you're whining'. I'm not. It's a legitimate question. Yes, I could go out and recruit endlessly, but I did that years ago and it was not the game experience I wanted. I don't want to devote my life to Eve. We have a very small corp, we play very certain aspects of the game that don't require endless time investments. Adding Piracy protection isn't my thing. If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec. The rules are the same as 0.0, except we can't fight back as solo pilots OR as a small corp. The people camping are in Corps that are part of an aliiance. I can't war dec a corp in an alliance, and we don't have enough raw numbers to even consider it anyhow.
That's a huge limitation to MY style of game play. I have the right to have a legitimate profession, also. I don't care about yours. If you want to champion your game play, go start a new thread, pirate.
Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:last time i lowsec gate camped a 17 man blops fleet kicked my teeth in.
plenty of tools to evade, avoid , slap about, lernem and stop whinging |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
561
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:18:52 -
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98040 wrote:What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?
It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.
Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.
Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.
No not my main. Who cares.
Your post is like bait-fish to the sharks that lurk here - love it! ( have you a prepared list of ready smack talk ).
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:23:37 -
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98040 wrote:If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec.
98040 wrote:If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead. You can also avoid them by using the good old Cloak/MWD trick. Here's a video demonstration with Armageddon battleship. (quite old vid, but still works). It won't make you 100% safe, but it works well...
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14466
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:26:22 -
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actually ,yeah you very clearly are.
Better the Devil you know.
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
561
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:45:50 -
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Azov Rassau wrote:98040 wrote:If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec. 98040 wrote:If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead. You can also avoid them by using the good old Cloak/MWD trick. Here's a video demonstration with Armageddon battleship. (quite old vid, but still works). It won't make you 100% safe, but it works well...
Thx, actually learnt something new in a C&P thread.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Smitty Uitra
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:53:33 -
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98040 wrote:This is the problem with consensus-driven development. The only way I make my point is by chopping down yours. No one is arguing that Piracy isn't a real profession. I'm not complaining. Ralph, great that you got ass-raped for a change, but you lost one ship. How many ships and pods did you kill before you lost your one ship? Imbalance. Paranoid, Ofc the natural defense is 'you're whining'. I'm not. It's a legitimate question. Yes, I could go out and recruit endlessly, but I did that years ago and it was not the game experience I wanted. I don't want to devote my life to Eve. We have a very small corp, we play very certain aspects of the game that don't require endless time investments. Adding Piracy protection isn't my thing. If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec. The rules are the same as 0.0, except we can't fight back as solo pilots OR as a small corp. The people camping are in Corps that are part of an aliiance. I can't war dec a corp in an alliance, and we don't have enough raw numbers to even consider it anyhow. That's a huge limitation to MY style of game play. I have the right to have a legitimate profession, also. I don't care about yours. If you want to champion your game play, go start a new thread, pirate. Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Ralph King-Griffin wrote:last time i lowsec gate camped a 17 man blops fleet kicked my teeth in.
plenty of tools to evade, avoid , slap about, lernem and stop whinging
Why not use a cloaky ship or use a scout? Why come here and cry about it? If low sec is too much for you then stick to high sec. Also you could war Dec them, wait until there's one off by itself and kill them. Another thing you could do is fly an intercepter. Most of lowsec is dead.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2160
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:57:43 -
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98040 wrote:This is the problem with consensus-driven development. The only way I make my point is by chopping down yours.
No one is arguing that Piracy isn't a real profession. I'm not complaining.
I don't see how you could possibly claim that you are not complaining. You are very clearly complaining. In fact, it would more aptly be termed "whining".
Quote:Ralph, great that you got ass-raped for a change, but you lost one ship. How many ships and pods did you kill before you lost your one ship? Imbalance.
It is fascinating that you think that "balance" could be determined by such a tally.
Quote:Paranoid, Ofc the natural defense is 'you're whining'. I'm not. It's a legitimate question. Yes, I could go out and recruit endlessly, but I did that years ago and it was not the game experience I wanted. I don't want to devote my life to Eve. We have a very small corp, we play very certain aspects of the game that don't require endless time investments. Adding Piracy protection isn't my thing. If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec. The rules are the same as 0.0, except we can't fight back as solo pilots OR as a small corp. The people camping are in Corps that are part of an aliiance. I can't war dec a corp in an alliance, and we don't have enough raw numbers to even consider it anyhow.
Right, so you could do something about it, you're just unwilling to.
And, no, the rules are not the same as 0.0. Gateguns, no bubbles, no bombs.
You absolutely can fight back. Ctrl+click the bad guy, then press F1. You're now fighting back. I can't imagine why you would need to war dec anyone, as your average low-sec gate camper is -10 already.
Quote:That's a huge limitation to MY style of game play. I have the right to have a legitimate profession, also. I don't care about yours. If you want to champion your game play, go start a new thread, pirate.
Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention.
Your style of play seems to be, "Blundering about helplessly with the expectation that nobody should be allowed to interfere with me." Thank goodness someone is interfering with that nonsense.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Paranoid Loyd
8567
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:59:58 -
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98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time and I never get caught in gate camps, so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worthy of as you put it, attention.
Fix the Prospect!
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2160
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:03:02 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time, I never get caught in gate camps. so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worth of attention.
On that note, I've been solo-suicide-roaming in an MJD-only fit drake the last few days and I haven't so much as been yellow-boxed while traveling through low to-and-from null.
Outside of FW zones, low is pretty devoid of life.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:11:30 -
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Go to Jan. You will meet your maker quickly.
I think there's a lot of merit to counter-GANK rolling setups, as long as that's your intention.
The problem is when it's not your intention.
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time, I never get caught in gate camps. so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worth of attention. On that note, I've been solo-suicide-roaming in an MJD-only fit drake the last few days and I haven't so much as been yellow-boxed while traveling through low to-and-from null. Outside of FW zones, low is pretty devoid of life.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14466
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:14:06 -
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98040 wrote: when it's not your intention.
you shouldn't be blind jumping into low-sec without doing your homework or knowing how to evade a camp, simples
Better the Devil you know.
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:20:28 -
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Don't embarrass yourself.
I've been playing this game since 2003. That's 13 years for you, math genius. I know all the tricks.
There is no profession in all of Eve that allows you to sit on a spawn point indefinitely and farm and kill players with literal impunity. Sorry you don't want your little gold mine to disappear. We said the same thing about the T2 mining laser monopoly, BPO monopoly, etc, etc. All of those things got balanced, but only after people started quitting the game in protest. This will get addressed, too.
Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time and I never get caught in gate camps, so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worthy of as you put it, attention.
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Paranoid Loyd
8569
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:23:48 -
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OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec? And you're telling me not to embarrass myself?
Fix the Prospect!
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:28:13 -
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I know the route is frequently camped. I assumed that risk when I jumped solo.
When you jump from .4 from .5 and there's a wall of flashing red, that's a problem that no tactical effort is going to overcome.
I was in a Destroyer. Do I really need a scout for a Destroyer? I don't think so.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:98040 wrote: when it's not your intention.
you shouldn't be blind jumping into low-sec without doing your homework or knowing how to evade a camp, simples
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:34:18 -
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You took a direct attack against me by trying to discredit me and my experience, and you assumed a lot of things that weren't true. If you don't like the response you got, be nicer.
I'm only saying that I think that CCP should make the art of piracy harder to implement.
They can start by making it hard to sit on a spawn point like a gate and farm real players. If you don't like that idea, then propose an alternative that isn't 'I want my money maker imbalance to persist'. That's not what this thread is about.
It's still a legit imbalance, and all you folks know it but still want to justify your 'I-Win' griefing campaigns.
Thank you to the people who have taken the time to propose alternatives and other potential remedies. That's helpful.
Paranoid Loyd wrote:OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec? And you're telling me not to embarrass myself? Why would I go through Jan which is obviously camped, while two jumps away there is another entrance to low sec that is obviously not camped? I'm not even at home right now and I can tell you are doing it wrong.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
1957
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:35:15 -
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98040 wrote: Ralph, great that you got ass-raped for a change, but you lost one ship. How many ships and pods did you kill before you lost your one ship? Imbalance.
:effort:
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:40:43 -
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98040 wrote:You took a direct attack against me by trying to discredit me and my experience, and you assumed a lot of things that weren't true. If you don't like the response you got, be nicer. I'm only saying that I think that CCP should make the art of piracy harder to implement. They can start by making it hard to sit on a spawn point like a gate and farm real players. If you don't like that idea, then propose an alternative that isn't 'I want my money maker imbalance to persist'. That's not what this thread is about. It's still a legit imbalance, and all you folks know it but still want to justify your 'I-Win' griefing campaigns. Thank you to the people who have taken the time to propose alternatives and other potential remedies. That's helpful. Paranoid Loyd wrote:OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec? And you're telling me not to embarrass myself? Why would I go through Jan which is obviously camped, while two jumps away there is another entrance to low sec that is obviously not camped? I'm not even at home right now and I can tell you are doing it wrong. Wow, just wow. You are telling me how I am assuming a lot of things all the while you keep telling me I don't want to lose the ability to gate camp in low sec. News flash, I have never gate camped in low sec.
I did propose an alternative. Don't go through systems you know are camped if you don't have the numbers to fight back. I then pointed out how without even being anywhere near a computer that can run eve I found a much much safer route with a 2 jump detour.
Fix the Prospect!
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:49:11 -
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98040 wrote:Go to Jan. You will meet your maker quickly. I think there's a lot of merit to counter-GANK rolling setups, as long as that's your intention. The problem is when it's not your intention. SurrenderMonkey wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time, I never get caught in gate camps. so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worth of attention. On that note, I've been solo-suicide-roaming in an MJD-only fit drake the last few days and I haven't so much as been yellow-boxed while traveling through low to-and-from null. Outside of FW zones, low is pretty devoid of life.
Went through Jan last night. There was a lone Oracle sitting 40km off a gate. When I came back, a Stratios had joined him.
They didn't shoot me.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Mag's
Azn Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.02 23:23:44 -
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I have a feeling you've never actually taken part long term, in gate camping low sec. Rather than it being 'easy' as you put it, it's the opposite. Your statement regarding the Rattlesnakes, belies your claim of being a 2003 player. Not only was it possible without that ship, it was happing before that ship even existed.
The game has seen many changes over the years, that have made lowsec piracy on gate harder than ever. WTZ, auto pilot settings and more, have all seen a massive decrease in low sec piracy on gates. But also game changes to how you can be attacked have also meant gate camping in low, is very much one of the riskiest professions in the game.
Now at this point I'm sure you'll be disagreeing a lot and thinking you know best. But here's why you would be wrong.
When you camp a gate, you have a rather large, 'We are here' sign. You remain in the same spot and basically invite everyone and their the kitchen sink to come and have a go. Not only that, but the fits required to camp successfully, do not generally bode well when groups arrive on the scene to violence your boat.
You are for all intents and purposes, sitting ducks.
Now your suggestion that as pirates we should fight the game, is quite frankly ridiculous. This is a sandbox MMO. The whole point of the game is small set of rules, open game for players to makes their own. But gate camping IS piracy. We camped Rancer for years and made a fairly good living off ransoms, but it got harder and harder. To the point, it became pointless.
You also suggest it's a problem when the intention isn't to hunt campers. Well welcome to Eve. The game is full of situations that meet that requirement, including fittings. Which is all the more reason why gate camping is fine. To suggest travelling should be made safer, because you do not or will not use the tools readily available, isn't going to gain any traction here or with CCP.
The game as it sits now, is the safest it's ever been for those wishing to avoid conflict. So much so it saddens me. So you'll have to excuse me for laughing at and mocking your ignorance.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
1960
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Posted - 2016.03.02 23:36:00 -
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You are the psoriasis that is irritating EvE.
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
809
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Posted - 2016.03.03 00:19:24 -
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everyone replying in this thread, hasn't actually left hisec.
just sayn.
@JerryTPepridge
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Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2016.03.03 01:12:18 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:everyone replying in this thread, hasn't actually left hisec.
Left hisec? I haven't found the undock button yet.
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pushdogg
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.03.03 03:58:30 -
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Post with your main or gtfo.
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Vapis Bikker
FUITA Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2016.03.03 04:51:59 -
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tell us where the bad pirate touched you. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.03.03 10:05:29 -
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98040 wrote: I was in a Destroyer. Do I really need a scout for a Destroyer? I don't think so.
clearly you are very dead wrong.
anyway, if gate camping is so easy, bring your friends and make the effort to get rid of them.
Just Add Water
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1670
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Posted - 2016.03.03 13:08:37 -
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*looks at OP's post*
Hmmm
Wait.
You got caught in a gate camp?
In lowsec?
HHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA
In a destroyer?!!?!?!?
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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