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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
930
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Posted - 2016.03.04 18:56:05 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Providence is basically highsec.
If I could pick one thing from this and make it true, I'd have to be making covert cynos legal in Hi Sec. Good-Bye Wardec Menace!
Lulu Lunette wrote:Null was underwhelming in my experience too. And the alliance I was in lacked a JF service. IMO We were the target audience for fozziesov.. Then they nerfed how many wormhole connections there were in null and it became way too tough to do anything out there.
Have you looked at any Querious alliances? I personally do the logistics for my alliance. If you want to have fun in null, there either has to be an NPC station in the region or nearby, or freeports, otherwise the only fights you will ever really get involved with are another person's war, for their reasons.
Which again is the main problem with the nullsec design, at least the sov-null space design; space is either so remote and so safe that it is good for making money, but useless for anything else - all rats no fights, or so accessible and dangerous that it is useless for making money but great for battle. Basically to have fun in sov, you have to make your money where you don't live.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM XI
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Demica Diaz
SE-1
247
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:09:00 -
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Cool kids live in low sec, day trip in null sec and do their trade in high sec. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2646
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:30:57 -
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Can we find out who OP joined? |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
699
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:34:13 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Can we find out who OP joined?
Nobody, I suppose. He just felt like ranting a bit. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11086
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:58:43 -
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DrugsDen wrote:This game is so much more then crap pvp pvp is just a very small part of the game a lot of ppl dont even play eve for pvp pvp is dead its 10 v 1 nowdays so a waste of time
Full stops or, indeed, any punctuation of any sort, are also apparently a waste of time these days.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2646
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Posted - 2016.03.04 20:02:24 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Can we find out who OP joined? Nobody, I suppose. He just felt like ranting a bit. Edit: Assuming he's not lying, he must have been with the Imperium. He's talking about 0.0 empires and corps with "thousands" of members. There aren't that many of those around these days that fit into both categories. Probably Karmafleet, they recruit everybody.
If it's Karmafleet, it means he was in north Dek which is pretty much empty so nobody really care to save ratters. For PvP, he should of went to the deployment area... |
Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
6
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Posted - 2016.03.04 20:24:45 -
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Lowsec is where it is at . |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
299
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Posted - 2016.03.04 20:31:20 -
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Not Querious but close, Fountain once.
I lasted about 19 hours, right click trashed the mining barge they gave me and quit corp.
They sounded good in their recruitment channel.
@lunettelulu7
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Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
216
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Posted - 2016.03.04 21:47:16 -
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Seems like OP should have done his research and joined a PvP alliance. |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2016.03.04 21:53:09 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:Seems like OP should have done his research and joined a PvP alliance.
well they said they have pvp fleets and that I'll be able to join "militia" fleets which are coordinated on intel channel in order to defend the corp's space.
In truth after 4 hours that evening the only action I got... or let's say... the only interaction with another player which I've got was only when I got suicidal and went into great lengths in order to find someone to fight with.
The whole "moving to null" for me at list was to be part of something big, to join those big ass fleets and get the "I was there" vibe.
in truth I felt like I'm surrounded with pve'rs which cares nothing for good fight.
I think I might need to migrate into faction warfare maybe and see how's it going there this days. |
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Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
216
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:03:36 -
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Forum Toon wrote:Perkin Warbeck wrote:Seems like OP should have done his research and joined a PvP alliance. well they said they have pvp fleets and that I'll be able to join "militia" fleets which are coordinated on intel channel in order to defend the corp's space. In truth after 4 hours that evening the only action I got... or let's say... the only interaction with another player which I've got was only when I got suicidal and went into great lengths in order to find someone to fight with. The whole "moving to null" for me at list was to be part of something big, to join those big ass fleets and get the "I was there" vibe. in truth I felt like I'm surrounded with pve'rs which cares nothing for good fight. I think I might need to migrate into faction warfare maybe and see how's it going there this days.
Or you could not join Goons and join a null sec alliance that actually PvPs. Everyone says they have fleets, not everyone actually does. You need to look at the activity of the FCs and corps in the alliance. That's where you need to do your homework to get the right match. Also, one evening does not give any real indication of an alliances activity. A Monday evening in the AU timezone in my alliance will be slow but there will be two or three pings for fleets in the EU and US timezone.
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
141
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:23:44 -
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Blobbin' 'n blappin'.. dat be da namez of da gamez now guvenuh.
skill.. strategy.. reasons to log in.... all have parted ways with Tranquility. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
701
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:55:17 -
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Forum Toon wrote:good fight
Yeah. Many (not all, mind you) players in 0.0 powerblocs aren't looking for those as much as they are playing to win. You kind of need to do that in order to build something big for you to be part of and to have the big battles that give you the "I was there" vibe. "Good fights" aren't the big "I was there" types of battles. "Good fights" are the ones that don't matter, the ones nobody cares about later and the ones where it absolutely doesn't matter if "I was there" or not. "Good fights" are the ones you have for fun, not for an objective.
That being said - You can still get the good fights you are looking for in nullsec, but it really depends where you look for them. There are stretches of lowsec as well where nothing happens ever, and the only people who are there are either quadruple warp core stabbed while orbiting a beacon or will safe up as soon as anyone enters local, and if you've ever wardecced a random corp in highsec with your single low SP alt and watched it disband in front of your eyes, you'll know that risk aversion is pretty common, no matter where you go in Eve.
And does it really surprise you, that ratters or miners just minding their own business don't jump at your command when you are trying to **** with them? Of course they will dock up and do something else or hop into another clone and just continue ratting at the far end of the region.
I don't know how it works over at whichever blob you joined. We, however, have a variety of special interest groups within the alliance that specialize in some fields. If I feel like dropping bombers, I fly with a crowd that does that. If I feel like running anoms all day and get filthy rich, there's a group for that as well. In a coalition of several thousand people, you can't expect everyone to share your interests and undock whenever you feel like doing something. You'll have to figure out where the guys that do stuff you are interested in hang out and hook up with them.
And if flying with other people isn't your cup of tea, what the hell are you doing in a nullsec blob?
TL;DR: I don't know which nullsec blob you joined, and I am not convinced you joined one at all, but if what you are saying is actually true, you are probably doing it wrong. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3629
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:58:56 -
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Demica Diaz wrote:Cool kids live in low sec, day trip in null sec and do their trade in high sec.
Lowsec is where failed alliances go to die in my experience. |
Robert Sawyer
The Vendunari End of Life
91
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Posted - 2016.03.05 00:14:07 -
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Were you expecting the whole "EPIC FLEET BATTLES FIGHTING FOR WORLD DOMINATION", action-packed, Michael Bay-esque bullsh*t that the trailers fed you? Me, too. Disappointing, isn't it?
Being in several null-based corps, it's honestly just filled with a bunch of PvE-ers that are AFK most of the time or docked. Besides, the main power blocs are trying to bore each other to death. Since the last major battle of B-R5RB that took place more than two years ago, they've been stuck in an endless Cold War stalemate-type conflict.
"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2016.03.05 00:16:13 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Were you expecting the whole "EPIC FLEET BATTLES FIGHTING FOR WORLD DOMINATION", action-packed, Michael Bay-esque bullsh*t that the trailers fed you? Me, too. Disappointing, isn't it?
Exactly this.
well said. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3629
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Posted - 2016.03.05 01:01:38 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Were you expecting the whole "EPIC FLEET BATTLES FIGHTING FOR WORLD DOMINATION", action-packed, Michael Bay-esque bullsh*t that the trailers fed you? Me, too. Disappointing, isn't it?
Being in several null-based corps, it's honestly just filled with a bunch of PvE-ers that are AFK most of the time or docked. Besides, the main power blocs are trying to bore each other to death. Since the last major battle of B-R5RB that took place more than two years ago, they've been stuck in an endless Cold War stalemate-type conflict.
Fozzie sov removed all incentive for people to actually commit resources to taking space. But the people out in null are most certainly not "a bunch of PvE-ers" - I saw far more skirmishing and small battles in null than I ever saw in low (but I flew with a great group and we stuck to densely populated areas). That, and large battles were very, very common back when I was out there. All they have to do is implement a half-decent sov system that requires real investment to take space (alongside reasons to do so besides moongoo) and they'll be back. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
702
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Posted - 2016.03.05 03:51:44 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Being in several null-based corps, it's honestly just filled with a bunch of PvE-ers that are AFK most of the time or docked. Besides, the main power blocs are trying to bore each other to death. Since the last major battle of B-R5RB that took place more than two years ago, they've been stuck in an endless Cold War stalemate-type conflict.
Right, don't believe the trailers. B-R5RB was exciting and all, and so was Z9PP-H/J5A-IX/6VDT-H, which was about half a year before. But wars of that scale are far and inbetween. And that's actually a good thing - they get boring very quickly. Also, a big part of what makes those battles exciting for me are the implications and consequences, not so much the fighting itself. If we had a battle like that every couple of weeks just for the heck of it, they'd lose all meaning.
Inbetween those, it's pretty much always a cold war. Has been even before the Halloween War or the Fountain War.
But those stalemates are the perfect time to go and get the Gudftes, if you want. You just have to go and make them yourselves, because there's no artificial conflict driver like there is in Factional Warfare. Not everybody is into pointless Gudfites, and I think that's completely fine, but if you are, you just need to find a bunch of likeminded people to have them with. You can certainly find those in most 0.0 Alliances.
If you go look for fights, don't do so in capital systems. You will likely not find them there. People won't form up to fend against random roaming gangs in their capital system, mainly because it's strategically pointless (unless it's an actual invasion/headshot attempt). Most people in the capital are usually just afk, the rest are traders/haulers or people reshipping, so they can do something fun elsewhere. They also don't want to attract roaming gangs to their capital by regularly providing them with Gudfites. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
534
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Posted - 2016.03.05 04:18:03 -
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Forum Toon wrote:In one word > boring. In one long word > Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring.
Your major mistake was joining a 0.0 alliance in the expectation that someone would then hold your hand and spoonfeed you content on-demand.
Yes, there's lot of tedium involved in 0.0 sov warfare, it has ever been thus.
Yes, you will sometimes fleet up and stare at a Titan for 45 minutes or more then get stood down.
It happens. Deal with it.
The FC in charge of that fleet was attempting to generate content and said content was less than amenable to playing along.
Your second mistake was failing to install a jump clone in your current alliance or coalition staging system. I rat and do my PI in an out of the way place (actually, I do this in a WH, but I used to do it in 0.0). When the jabber pings start coming thick and fast, dock up, jump clone to staging system, fleet up. When your done, death-clone back to your home-system and continue.
Instead of whinging that there's no content, how about you make an effort to create some? It can be as simple as setting up a bubble-camp in one of your 0.0-LowSec (or better yet, Highsec) border systems. I prefer doing this with a drag bubble on the outgate rather than a heavily bubbled in-gate.
Get a couple of alliance mates together and go on a roam to poke the neighbours.
Forum Toon wrote: At any rate all trade hubs are more expensive in margin of around 10-20% which is respectable but you can feel the lack of variety. on the Jita\Amarr\Dixie line of trade hubs one can get anything he wants in competitive price. In null it's challenge to find something, one must trust in contracts set by your alliance.
Yes, 0.0 trade hubs are more expensive than the major HS ones. There's plenty of opportunities to exploit that fact, if you're prepared to put in some *effort*.
In any case, your alliance probably has a Jump Freighter service (or it should have), or some of your corpmates might own a jump freighter. Ask them, very nicely, to bring you back a stack of *whatever*. You may have to wait a few days, but you'll get your goods. For stuff you 100% must have RIGHT NOW, either pay the markup or jump in your trusty taxi-ceptor and head for HS to buy it yourself.
Forum Toon wrote:At any rate after 2 hours of that chicken mentality showed by the local dwellers I decided to take some heavy tanked ratting ship and sit in a plex and rat while I wait for decent fight... FINALLY! someone had the decency to fight and I was tackled in the plex. While still in the "militia fleet" there were another 4-5 fleet members in same system with me + over 10 other pilots in the system. Once I shared intel and told the fleet I got intruder on me and invited everyone to warp to my location in order to share the festivities.. what is the first thing they all did?
Docked.
The fricking cowherds docked and hide in the station.
Did you think to tell these people you were expecting help from that you were in a bait-tanked ship? Could you tackle the aggressors yourself?
Personally, if one of my mates gets tackled in a site, I'll run off and grab a combat ship rather than warping in with a ratting VNI. When people go hunting for ratters, they tailor their ships to tank the damage the ratter will be doing and to exploit whatever the obvious resist hole is likely to be. For example, if I'm hunting ratters in Gurista space, I'll use EM or Explosive damage, not Kinetic or Thermal. Similarly, I'll expect to be taking either Kinetic or Thermal damage and will tailor my ship accordingly.
If you're going to play bait-tank ratter, it pays to tell your mates what you're up to before you achieve your goal of getting tackled in a site.
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Lee Maulerant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2016.03.05 04:37:40 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Were you expecting the whole "EPIC FLEET BATTLES FIGHTING FOR WORLD DOMINATION", action-packed, Michael Bay-esque bullsh*t that the trailers fed you? Me, too. Disappointing, isn't it?
Being in several null-based corps, it's honestly just filled with a bunch of PvE-ers that are AFK most of the time or docked. Besides, the main power blocs are trying to bore each other to death. Since the last major battle of B-R5RB that took place more than two years ago, they've been stuck in an endless Cold War stalemate-type conflict.
This guy hit the nail on the head with a giant sledgehammer.
The only way you'll do PvP on a reasonable scale is joining a big corporation that's part of a big alliance that purposefully roams low/null/true sec systems and loves to wardec, and those types of corporations want your entire wallet, ship collection, 30 years of EVE experience and that little cashbox you keep in a safe behind that picture on your wall.
I've been in two corporations and my first corporation went to war twice, first war we won without question, because the people we were against always hid in stations and/or never fought back. The second war was actually pretty intense, roaming with a 20-man alliance fleet having tons of explosions and lasers everywhere but then dispersed a few days later.
The second corporation, even though it stated it was a PvP corporation, never did PvP, just mining in abandoned low-sec systems, level 4's in hi-sec and.. well that's it.
PvP 5 years ago was more intense than it has been in the past year, and it make me a little sad. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6953
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Posted - 2016.03.05 04:48:33 -
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Lee Maulerant wrote:PvP 5 years ago was more intense than it has been in the past year, and it make me a little sad. Don't worry now we are fighting a series of amazing interceptor-based (and t3 destroyer-based) fights
CCP Grimmi: With all players on a single server and in direct competition with each other even your trade and industry activities are PvP.
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Gliese Casserres
Fistful of Finns Paisti Syndicate
50
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Posted - 2016.03.05 09:43:26 -
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Find a group that always picks fight with prey 5 times bigger than they are. Third partying is also fun. Content guaranteed. |
Burning Furry
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
27
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Posted - 2016.03.05 10:25:48 -
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Forum Toon wrote:I TL;DR why highsec miners have bigger balls then nullsec dwellers?
It's not a lack of balls as such, it's a whoring/fawning attitude towards killboard stats.
I used to fly with MoA, and don't get me wrong, they're great. Awesome FC's, hardworking members, etc, but we ran so much. If we couldn't be guaranteed of a win, we didn't fight, and this with my limited playtime meant i often logged in and sacrificed my gaming time for that evening without ever turning my guns on. I found myself in a position of thinking "better play some GTA V, that way i'll be guaranteed of some action". Once this thinking set in, it was time to move on.
There was this massive overarching sense that "the KB is all important, all hail the KB", which is great if you like playing spreadsheets in space, but if you actually want to play the game, it's not so good.
I think OP, that you just joined the wrong corp/alliance.
Do some homework, and find a casual group, not allied to many people who don't particularly care about stats, and you'll find that the fights come more easily. |
Divine Entervention
Hunters Elite Krab Republic
827
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Posted - 2016.03.05 14:25:54 -
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I think it's a logistics issue.
In Low Sec and High Sec, if you need to replace a ship, you're only a handful of jumps away from a major trade hub. Everything can be easily replaced. There's no end to replacing your losses.
In Null Sec, the ability to replace fully fitted ships is it's own separate game. High Sec, Low Sec, you can go ahead and take a "stupid" loss. Not in Null though. You have to care a bit more about your ships.
Also, space wouldn't really be "space" if it was all completely full. |
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
935
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Posted - 2016.03.05 17:27:32 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lee Maulerant wrote:PvP 5 years ago was more intense than it has been in the past year, and it make me a little sad. Don't worry now we are fighting a series of amazing interceptor-based (and t3 destroyer-based) fights
Plenty of avenues still available for using larger ships, CFC has just traded all of these for security.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM XI
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Valacus
Streets of Fire
130
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Posted - 2016.03.05 22:02:07 -
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Don't live in null sec. No one lives in null sec. It's a summer house. A vacation home you go to when you wish to partake in a particular activity. No one actually lives there. It sucks to live there. The majority of systems are deserted. No stations means agonizingly long trips between fights and activities. Getting ships and modules out there is only doable with a large, well organized, well funded, support system. If you don't have this, you don't get to play. Enjoying PvPing in your noob ship. Blobs are worse there than in low, because people mostly travel in packs of 50+. Bubbles make soloing lame, because your odds of escape from gate camps and the like are abysmally low. No gate guns means instalocks frigs and ceptors are extremely common. Null blows in a lot of respects. We only claim to live out there because that's where we stash our mains, but most people, myself included, really live in low and high sec. We just go out to null to do things you can only do in null, then log back into empire when we're done. |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1699
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Posted - 2016.03.06 02:49:34 -
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Forum Toon wrote:Perkin Warbeck wrote:Seems like OP should have done his research and joined a PvP alliance. well they said they have pvp fleets and that I'll be able to join "militia" fleets which are coordinated on intel channel in order to defend the corp's space. In truth after 4 hours that evening the only action I got... or let's say... the only interaction with another player which I've got was only when I got suicidal and went into great lengths in order to find someone to fight with. The whole "moving to null" for me at list was to be part of something big, to join those big ass fleets and get the "I was there" vibe. in truth I felt like I'm surrounded with pve'rs which cares nothing for good fight. I think I might need to migrate into faction warfare maybe and see how's it going there this days.
You joined a nullbear alliance.
If you follow the meta on eve news sites and read battle reports you will get a general idea of which alliance does what, when and how.
FYI all nullsec alliances will call themselves "PVP alliances" unless they are literally renters, even if they only do one PVP fleet a month. So it's a meaningless label until you learn what PVP they actually do. |
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
511
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Posted - 2016.03.06 15:20:53 -
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In null you are going to find a lot of time they don't want fights. Someone with an inty and an alt might want to turn your prospect into killboard padding, but isn't actually interested in anything else.
Literally 'in belt' seconds after entering system. I couldn't fly away from the scenery fast enough to cloak. I jumped out of my ship, podded back to stations and it exploded on the way back. The only response to my T1 destroyer was "flies off","empty local".
There had literally not been another soul through system for an hour after I logged on, yet some turd has to bring an inty AND an alt to that system and right on top of me. I'm not even sure how he knew I was there.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2016.03.06 15:20:53 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:[quote=Forum Toon]
You joined a nullbear alliance.
If you follow the meta on eve news sites and read battle reports you will get a general idea of which alliance does what, when and how.
FYI all nullsec alliances will call themselves "PVP alliances" unless they are literally renters, even if they only do one PVP fleet a month. So it's a meaningless label until you learn what PVP they actually do.
You have pointers on how to properly research for proper pvp oriented force to join?
I really hate when I'm told "dock and wait in station". I don't pay sub to spin my ship. |
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1080
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Posted - 2016.03.06 16:27:48 -
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between the null sec and high sec there is the only "action" you will find. The rest is freedom and how boring a game really can become. This is because there are to less people to fill the holes. |
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