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Tillyn
ANZAC Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2016.03.05 11:48:09 -
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So bumping is a game mechanic. Ccp won't acknowledge that the concord Ai is broken.
Why has no one set up an anti hi sec ganking protection Corp.
What freighter pilot wouldn't pay 100m a month (or more) for srp and security/remote reppers in high sec
The game mechanic of criminals makes it easier to have much more powerful ships smash gankers
I mean you'll need like 4 Paladins to bastion and a tank squad would go pop and remote rep like hell
This seems the obvious next step.
There must be 100s of freighter pilots who would pay a small monthly Sum for safer 0.5 considering there are really only 2 problem systems |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2773
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Posted - 2016.03.05 11:58:33 -
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Hey man, if you're willing to put forth the effort and ISK to organize such a thing and force it into being then more power to you.
There's really nothing stopping anyone from doing something like this aside from a mixture of effort, money, and the ability to demonstrate to your potential clients that your service works beyond the drawing board.
Talk to people. Come up with a plan. Make it happen.
But yeah, short answer is effort. It's always easier to attack than defend.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2351
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Posted - 2016.03.05 12:17:55 -
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Sounds like a business plan. Go for it?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
3660
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Posted - 2016.03.05 15:23:26 -
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Tillyn wrote:Ccp won't acknowledge that the concord Ai is broken.
Broken how? Concord, in its current form, is terrible for gameplay but I've seen no indication that it's not working as intended.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25982
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Posted - 2016.03.05 15:46:50 -
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Tillyn wrote:So bumping is a game mechanic. Ccp won't acknowledge that the concord Ai is broken.
Why has no one set up an anti hi sec ganking protection Corp.
What freighter pilot wouldn't pay 100m a month (or more) for srp and security/remote reppers in high sec
The game mechanic of criminals makes it easier to have much more powerful ships smash gankers
I mean you'll need like 4 Paladins to bastion and a tank squad would go pop and remote rep like hell
This seems the obvious next step.
There must be 100s of freighter pilots who would pay a small monthly Sum for safer 0.5 considering there are really only 2 problem systems Bumping is considered a game mechanic because its use extends far beyond messing with people in hisec; as for the Concord AI not being acknowledged as broken, it's working entirely as intended, ergo it's not broken.
Many have tried and failed at setting up an anti ganking corp, the closest to one is the anti ganking chat channel in game, and they're about as effective as a chocolate fire-guard for the most part.
100M a month? You're having a laugh, the people you're targeting as a market don't pay CODE. 10M a year to direct their attention elsewhere. The ones that know what they're doing already use alts or corpmates with web bonused ships to get their freighters into warp quickly before a bumper can land their first love tap.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Tisiphone Dira
WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
667
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Posted - 2016.03.05 16:00:11 -
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Such a system already exists
Your dues are 10m per year. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
314
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Posted - 2016.03.05 17:07:20 -
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security forces against ganks is a worthless venture
1 of 2 things will happen
1 ganker has positive standings as they switch between being in null to rat and making empire runs to gank means you cant shoot first unless your willing to gank the ganker
2 gankers will swarm in and just because you think you can kill a few, doesn't mean the freighter is safe
2a either gankers will swarm and still kill the target despite a few losses
or
2b when the target is still alive being bumped, gankers will reship and proceed with additional waves (I have seen 3 waves of 20 catalyst to kill 1 freighter done in Jita on several accounts)
So unless your willing to gank the Bumper for a freighter to get away, the gankers will win, after all for most of those that do that level, its not their money
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Tillyn
ANZAC Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2016.03.05 18:36:39 -
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2b when the target is still alive being bumped, gankers will reship and proceed with additional waves (I have seen 3 waves of 20 catalyst to kill 1 freighter done in Jita on several accounts)
So unless your willing to gank the Bumper for a freighter to get away, the gankers will win, after all for most of those that do that level, its not their money[/quote]
You have to bump the bumpers.
Ps. I wou apply pay 10m to code per year. Do they offer srp. ? |
Tisiphone Dira
WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
667
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Posted - 2016.03.05 18:41:41 -
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Now I've not been in code for a few months, but when I was there the policy was: if the gank was unjustified, and the ganker(s) in the wrong, then of of course. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3610
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Posted - 2016.03.05 21:04:27 -
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Because you haven't made it yet.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2016.03.05 22:39:00 -
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Tillyn wrote:So bumping is a game mechanic. Ccp won't acknowledge that the concord Ai is broken.
Why has no one set up an anti hi sec ganking protection Corp.
What freighter pilot wouldn't pay 100m a month (or more) for srp and security/remote reppers in high sec
The game mechanic of criminals makes it easier to have much more powerful ships smash gankers
I mean you'll need like 4 Paladins to bastion and a tank squad would go pop and remote rep like hell
This seems the obvious next step.
There must be 100s of freighter pilots who would pay a small monthly Sum for safer 0.5 considering there are really only 2 problem systems
Bumping is a well-debated topic and you should look it up.
The reason why there are no changes to bumping or countering it yet is because it's difficult to find a way to counter it without breaking things and opening new avenues for exploit and ganking.
Eventually the issue will be solved and there are even some CSM candidates into that.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Siegfried Cohenberg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2016.03.06 00:00:37 -
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There already is a group designed to protect freighters. The bumper's union. For a small fee a freighter pilot can be added to what is called our no bump list. As chairman of the bumper's union I have full control over the other bumpers and I decide who does and who does not get bumped. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7314
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Posted - 2016.03.06 02:31:31 -
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Siegfried Cohenberg wrote:There already is a group designed to protect freighters. The bumper's union. For a small fee a freighter pilot can be added to what is called our no bump list. As chairman of the bumper's union I have full control over the other bumpers and I decide who does and who does not get bumped.
Looks legit
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
569
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Posted - 2016.03.06 07:22:53 -
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Only O2 Thieves buy Codie licences, or those with no self esteem.
If caught with a Jim Jones mantra in bio you will be forever labelled a peon *****, and will be at the bottom of any pecking order. (Even lower than Seaman Root, yes the ladder goes lower than that bent over girly-boy.)
You have been warned.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2016.03.06 07:43:36 -
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Tillyn wrote:So bumping is a game mechanic. Ccp won't acknowledge that the concord Ai is broken.
Why has no one set up an anti hi sec ganking protection Corp.
What freighter pilot wouldn't pay 100m a month (or more) for srp and security/remote reppers in high sec
The game mechanic of criminals makes it easier to have much more powerful ships smash gankers
I mean you'll need like 4 Paladins to bastion and a tank squad would go pop and remote rep like hell
This seems the obvious next step.
There must be 100s of freighter pilots who would pay a small monthly Sum for safer 0.5 considering there are really only 2 problem systems
There is a group out there with a growing membership, AG or Anti-gank, a lose group of pilots that band together to try and stop the gankers.
Please contact me ingame for information.
It's funny you should say about the 100 million, it's often the figure freighter pilots give out for a save on their Ships
Remember this fight is war, both sides use what ever means possible, tactics, game rules are pushed to almost breaking point, swapping ship fittings the list is endless. U So to your points about fighting back, which I support 100 GǦ, but not the execution. You want to make a corp, well most of us fight in nps corps or very small corps to stop the endless war dec's you will receive, I would love to join a corp to fight gankers with large fleets etc.
As to your paladin fleet it would be a target for a gank on its own, or they would bring out more bumpers and you could never cover all their targets, if they gank my cheap Blackbird they will try for you.
Not trying to put you off, fight we must, in some of my post I have asked for ideas on how to get this done. One idea was to gank the bumpers with cata of our own using alts (time commitment have messed up my eve time of late) this will still happen if I can get the pilots
Second plan is to help a friend with a cheap t1 repping fleet, that's going well but again we need pilots,
One or two other plans are afoot but I need to keep the lid on those for now, these are just my plans and ideas, others are doing the same, some just give the odd hour when they can, all helps
always remember who you are fighting, read minerbumbing about the terrible way they treat some players and set out to destroy their corps, after all just look at their permabanned player list, what more do I need to add.
Please do try something, remember people do want to help, most of the feed back from your post is from code or supports so don't worry about the trolling
A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
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Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
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Posted - 2016.03.06 07:46:48 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Only O2 Thieves buy Codie licences, or those with no self esteem.
If caught with a Jim Jones mantra in bio you will be forever labelled a peon *****, and will be at the bottom of any pecking order. (Even lower than Seaman Root, yes the ladder goes lower than that bent over girly-boy.)
You have been warned.
\o/
Oh no, whatever shall I do?
This would cure me of the fear...
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
571
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Posted - 2016.03.06 07:51:36 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Only O2 Thieves buy Codie licences, or those with no self esteem.
If caught with a Jim Jones mantra in bio you will be forever labelled a peon *****, and will be at the bottom of any pecking order. (Even lower than Seaman Root, yes the ladder goes lower than that bent over girly-boy.)
You have been warned.
\o/ Oh no, whatever shall I do?
Burn your licence like your bra, then hang free.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2651
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Posted - 2016.03.06 08:01:09 -
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Expected more salt and tears, left dissapointed! 4/10 wouldn't read again!
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
571
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Posted - 2016.03.06 08:03:10 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Expected more salt and tears, left dissapointed! 4/10 wouldn't read again!
same same.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2357
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Posted - 2016.03.06 09:30:39 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Only O2 Thieves buy Codie licences, or those with no self esteem.
If caught with a Jim Jones mantra in bio you will be forever labelled a peon *****, and will be at the bottom of any pecking order. (Even lower than Seaman Root, yes the ladder goes lower than that bent over girly-boy.)
You have been warned.
There was a time where you threw money at mercs and anounced that you will stop us. Looks like this days you are down to: "don't send them money or I will drown you with my tears". Well done satly NPC hero!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
345
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Posted - 2016.03.06 10:10:32 -
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Tillyn wrote:So bumping is a game mechanic.
Yup, bumping is a mechanic. what do you propose, ships can phase and pass through each other or ship explodes upon impact? both would be ****** mechanics.
Tillyn wrote:Ccp won't acknowledge that the concord Ai is broken.
what do you mean? concord should act like Pre Crime? even if new eden is set in the future, sadly precogs still doesn't exist and as you might have seen their system is quite exploitable and unreliable.
Tillyn wrote: Why has no one set up an anti hi sec ganking protection Corp.
What freighter pilot wouldn't pay 100m a month (or more) for srp and security/remote reppers in high sec
The game mechanic of criminals makes it easier to have much more powerful ships smash gankers
I mean you'll need like 4 Paladins to bastion and a tank squad would go pop and remote rep like hell
This seems the obvious next step.
There must be 100s of freighter pilots who would pay a small monthly Sum for safer 0.5 considering there are really only 2 problem systems
the full force of the oppressed hisec is just waiting for your magnificent leadership. i say now is the time for you to step up!
Just Add Water
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
571
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Posted - 2016.03.06 10:50:43 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Only O2 Thieves buy Codie licences, or those with no self esteem.
If caught with a Jim Jones mantra in bio you will be forever labelled a peon *****, and will be at the bottom of any pecking order. (Even lower than Seaman Root, yes the ladder goes lower than that bent over girly-boy.)
You have been warned.
There was a time where you threw money at mercs and anounced that you will stop us. Looks like this days you are down to: "don't send them money or I will drown you with my tears". Well done satly NPC hero!
The mercs were the gentle foreplay. Don't say you weren't hot n bothered.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Tillyn
ANZAC Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2016.03.06 11:18:39 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Tillyn wrote:So bumping is a game mechanic. Yup, bumping is a mechanic. what do you propose, ships can phase and pass through each other or ship explodes upon impact? both would be ****** mechanics. [quote=Tillyn]Ccp won't acknowledge that the concord Ai is broken.
what do you mean? concord should act like Pre Crime? even if new eden is set in the future, sadly precogs still doesn't exist and as you might have seen their system is quite exploitable and unreliable.
I mean that 80 battleships running after a shuttle is broken Ai. There should be a ships per criminal Ai. Even ship size related. Would fix the mechanic
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Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
294
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Posted - 2016.03.06 12:56:00 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Only O2 Thieves buy Codie licences, or those with no self esteem.
If caught with a Jim Jones mantra in bio you will be forever labelled a peon *****, and will be at the bottom of any pecking order. (Even lower than Seaman Root, yes the ladder goes lower than that bent over girly-boy.)
You have been warned.
\o/ Oh no, whatever shall I do? Burn your licence like your bra, then hang free. They hang free when docked...
This would cure me of the fear...
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StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen. Bad Intention
362
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Posted - 2016.03.06 13:46:38 -
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Tillyn wrote:Why is there no hi-sec "union" style Corp for hisec protection
Ive got one word for ya.
Greed.
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