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Gedrick frogue
Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan
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Posted - 2016.03.05 21:30:34 -
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Hi All
Just been reading this
Patch notes for march
I do like the way they have put a large change to eve under "Miscellaneous" I thought watch lists were a bit more important to people
TBH it's a useful tool to every player in eve and this new option that both parties have to consent to be visible to each other simple beens that next week everyone might as well delete the contents of their watch lists are they have just become completely useless
Should prove a huge advantage to some players and vise versa a huge disadvantage to others
Gunna be a lot of people docked up or offline during war dec's now though that's my thoughts :)
Cheers
Ged |
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan
11
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Posted - 2016.03.05 21:35:57 -
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Yep, this is going to make for a lot of station spinning during wardecs if we can't see when wardeccers are online. The watch list is an integral tool of warfare and intelligence gathering, why the gigantic nerf bat hit to it?
Come on CCP, stop making stupid decisions, your track record lately is apalling enough.
Don't nerf the watch list! |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1141
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Posted - 2016.03.05 21:41:12 -
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You can see wardeccers in system, why do you need to know if they're online?
Need to move to another system? Use a scout. Hell, a T1 frigate should suffice, you are in highsec after all. |
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1078
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Posted - 2016.03.05 21:48:55 -
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Gedrick frogue wrote:Hi All Just been reading this Patch notes for marchI do like the way they have put a large change to eve under "Miscellaneous" I thought watch lists were a bit more important to people TBH it's a useful tool to every player in eve and this new option that both parties have to consent to be visible to each other simple beens that next week everyone might as well delete the contents of their watch lists are they have just become completely useless Should prove a huge advantage to some players and vise versa a huge disadvantage to others Gunna be a lot of people docked up or offline during war dec's now though that's my thoughts :) Cheers Ged
My god you people can only find negativity in every patch the made can you stop it? |
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
221
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Posted - 2016.03.05 22:37:23 -
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I think the main issue here is not really the watch lists, it's that EVE is already too pvp centric as it is and the watch list thing is disturbing the balance even more.
I have a friend that just joined and he is basically terrified all the time and telling me how its "not fun". I try explaining to him that nobody is going to bother to blow up his newbie ship, but it doesn't help. This guy is not a "carebear". He always plays PVP in other games.
Most of the ship destruction in the game is in empire which is not the way it is supposed to be.
If the pvp balance were less extreme, I think people would be concerned about the watchlist issue a lot less, but as things are the let's-kill-every-autopilot and wardec every single 3-player corp in EVE mentality is driving people away from the game. Its at the point where there are more wolves than there are elk. |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
808
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Posted - 2016.03.05 22:49:29 -
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this would lay some extra efforts on rekking crews members since no more free intel if "those" caps pilots are online
interesting, but silly. If i have friend and we both added each other to WL just to see our current status or whatever instead i just check our corp or shared chat if he there or not. I hope i still could block people not asking them to block me to be able to block them...
CCP, plz stop smoking that hard.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53490
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Posted - 2016.03.05 22:54:40 -
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Droidster wrote:I think the main issue here is not really the watch lists, it's that EVE is already too pvp centric as it is and the watch list thing is disturbing the balance even more.
I have a friend that just joined and he is basically terrified all the time and telling me how its "not fun". I try explaining to him that nobody is going to bother to blow up his newbie ship, but it doesn't help. This guy is not a "carebear". He always plays PVP in other games.
Most of the ship destruction in the game is in empire which is not the way it is supposed to be.
If the pvp balance were less extreme, I think people would be concerned about the watchlist issue a lot less, but as things are the let's-kill-every-autopilot and wardec every single 3-player corp in EVE mentality is driving people away from the game. Its at the point where there are more wolves than there are elk. 100% agreed
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Leeluvv
Polarized
74
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Posted - 2016.03.05 22:59:54 -
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Wormholes have 2 forms of Intel, as there is no local:
Watching players in a POS Contact watch lists
Oh, bugger... |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
266
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Posted - 2016.03.05 23:10:46 -
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People have been asking for watch lists to be removed for aaaaaaaaages, now CCP are actually doing it people are upset.
No, watch lists being removed won't actually hurt you. Instead the "threat" that the scary-bad-man has logged in somewhere in the cluster will be hidden from you. If he's close enough to hurt you, you'll see him in local anyway and at that point you can be worried, before that point just be prepared. Your free intel is disappearing as it should, next up nullsec local chat changes.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2647
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Posted - 2016.03.05 23:10:46 -
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Droidster wrote: I have a friend that just joined and he is basically terrified all the time and telling me how its "not fun". I try explaining to him that nobody is going to bother to blow up his newbie ship, but it doesn't help. This guy is not a "carebear". He always plays PVP in other games.
*lmfao* Sorry Dude, but that has nothing to do with the watchlist, this has to do with "plays PvP in other games". The sooner he gets it that this is EvE and that EvE is sometimes harsh and unforgiving and it's nothing like WoW or Guild Wars 2, the sooner he learns that ships are tools which are ment to be destroyed. Everywhere! 24/7! If he doesn't get that, he better stays with "PvP in other games".
TL;DR: Hello Kitty ----> over here
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2647
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Posted - 2016.03.05 23:11:46 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:People have been asking for watch lists to be removed for aaaaaaaaages, now CCP are actually doing it people are upset.
Well, be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1145
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Posted - 2016.03.05 23:11:53 -
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Leeluvv wrote:Wormholes have 2 forms of Intel, as there is no local:
Watching players in a POS Contact watch lists
Oh, bugger... Did you know there's this thing called a directional scanner? It shows you all ships that aren't cloaked or combat recons at a distance of up to 14.3 AU within a conical section of 5, 15, 30, 60, 90, 180, or 360 degrees. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7313
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Posted - 2016.03.05 23:14:48 -
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For reference.
Quote:Seeing a character's online status now requires mutual consent: You will only by able to see the online status of characters on your Buddy List if they have also added you to their list. This includes restricting the 'PlayerX is now online' notification popups to mutual buddies. If another character has NOT added you back, then they will always appear with a red 'offline' indicator regardless of their actual state.
Interesting. At least we are not forced to corp up with buddies to know when they are online.
We can also find out which enemies are watching, and of those sort who don't care if they are being watched. This does have the risk of being an intimidation tool. For that this is cutting both ways, like local.
Watch lists were helpful for nullsec for knowing who the BLOPS and hot drops pilots were was a good que to adjust operations when they were online.
In the end I think Malcanis' law is going to be the result of this.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Corvald Tyrska
Dha'Vargar
80
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Posted - 2016.03.06 00:31:16 -
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Droidster wrote:IIf the pvp balance were less extreme, I think people would be concerned about the watchlist issue a lot less, but as things are the let's-kill-every-autopilot and wardec every single 3-player corp in EVE mentality is driving people away from the game. Its at the point where there are more wolves than there are elk.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You mean there is PVP content going on in hisec. I've been in a 3 player corp with my alts for years. How do I get these "people" to wardec me? Is there a form I have to fill out or something? |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
537
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Posted - 2016.03.06 00:46:19 -
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good. this is a great change that needed to be made.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5832
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Posted - 2016.03.06 01:11:12 -
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Droidster wrote:... EVE is already too pvp centric ... Everybody vs. Everybody
Need more rainbows and unicorns. [Keep in mind that an industrialist is poking fun at you.] |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2724
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Posted - 2016.03.06 01:15:39 -
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This is a great change which has already been extensively discussed on both the forum and reddit.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
704
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Posted - 2016.03.06 01:31:13 -
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I don't know, I'm not too fond of the change yet, but we'll see.
I think mercenary work and war decs (the ones where you actually have a specific target corporation or alliance and actively hunt for your kills) will get a lot more annoying, both for the attacker and the defender. The only ones unscathed by this will be the likes of PIRAT and Marmite, who don't actively hunt most of the time anyway. |
Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
1663
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Posted - 2016.03.06 01:58:32 -
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This will ruin content in wormhole space.
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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments Second Empire.
1729
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Posted - 2016.03.06 02:20:09 -
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RIP my free intel.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2725
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Posted - 2016.03.06 02:22:48 -
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Locator agents need a buff. Specifically, the ability to use them remotely.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Aiwha
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
991
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Posted - 2016.03.06 02:24:03 -
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Thank god.
It was needed.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
342
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Posted - 2016.03.06 03:20:09 -
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Neadayan Drakhon wrote:Yep, this is going to make for a lot of station spinning during wardecs if we can't see when wardeccers are online.
i died inside... so sad right now...
Just Add Water
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3613
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Posted - 2016.03.06 05:44:47 -
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So much for ever getting to use killrights. Or hunt wartargets. This will only benefit the hub campers in highsec.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3613
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Posted - 2016.03.06 05:49:36 -
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Droidster wrote:t as things are the let's-kill-every-autopilot and wardec every single 3-player corp in EVE mentality is driving people away from the game. Its at the point where there are more wolves than there are elk.
I'm inclined to agree, except that a major problem is that those three-player corps aren't doing Eve any good, either. I've been in those corps before. They insulate themselves against the rest of the playerbase, and the vast majority of those people quit the game after 12-18 months. It was wardecs against us that piqued my interest and kept me in the game when the rest of my friends quit.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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Cristl
373
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Posted - 2016.03.06 05:51:53 -
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Leeluvv wrote:Wormholes have 2 forms of Intel, as there is no local:
Watching players in a POS Contact watch lists
Oh, bugger... On a phone so making links is annoying. Google "eve uni d-scan".
You're welcome. |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
356
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Posted - 2016.03.06 07:58:52 -
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What's stopping a 3rd party from developing a watch list tool?
Thank me later :D
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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
217
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Posted - 2016.03.06 08:46:11 -
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Neadayan Drakhon wrote:Yep, this is going to make for a lot of station spinning during wardecs if we can't see when wardeccers are online. The watch list is an integral tool of warfare and intelligence gathering, why the gigantic nerf bat hit to it?
Come on CCP, stop making stupid decisions, your track record lately is apalling enough.
Don't nerf the watch list!
can i ask if this was real and you was really in space do you think you could have some sort of watch list to.show when people are for example not asleep. no you couldnt. tbh ccp have not gone far enough there is too much free intelligence via maps and apis. but thats just my view. |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
217
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Posted - 2016.03.06 08:47:20 -
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:What's stopping a 3rd party from developing a watch list tool?
because you cant get the info when someone is online i think
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Mister McQueen
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
5
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Posted - 2016.03.06 08:57:49 -
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Cristl wrote:Leeluvv wrote:Wormholes have 2 forms of Intel, as there is no local:
Watching players in a POS Contact watch lists
Oh, bugger... On a phone so making links is annoying. Google "eve uni d-scan". You're welcome.
Last time I tried to d-scan a player who was cloaked, it didn't work so well... |
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