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Xeno Szenn
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.03.22 22:45:52 -
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People have said that the entosis mechanic is broken. if it really is you guys can show everyone how broken it is on a massive sacle as we were talking about eariler. I personally like it but would probably like any mechanic. As for people owning sov. It seems to be the russian block, The imperium and provie for people who care about there sov and own it. Everyone else dosn't seem to care about it. I don;t know if that is a fact i just shoot stuff but thats my perception on it. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33482
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Posted - 2016.03.22 22:47:45 -
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You had me worried with your question of who else owns sov. Plenty of people. I wouldn't necessarily do it on a Goonwaffe main, and as long as I pick someone I've never heard of, I think I can avoid an intergalactic incident.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33482
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Posted - 2016.03.22 22:53:28 -
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You're not one of those blue donut types, are you?
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Xeno Szenn
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2016.03.22 23:05:34 -
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Rain6637 wrote:You're not one of those blue donut types, are you?
not really i don't care who i fight or where. I just truly love watching the carnage. Blue donut unblue donut it really makes no diffrance to me or my style of gameplay. I'm just in it for the destruction and chaos fighting brings. i wont shoot blues but if someone's not blue i'll shoot whoever. and if everyone is blue and against me it just means i have more targets. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33482
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Posted - 2016.03.22 23:33:18 -
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I gotcha. And I don't rat, all I want to do is fleet up. What do you do for ISK? The only positive ISK transaction I have in the game is SRP. So my stake in all of this is if line member income stops, my fun stops.
I think the gameplay we want is very similar.
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Xeno Szenn
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2016.03.23 00:36:51 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I gotcha. And I don't rat, all I want to do is fleet up. What do you do for ISK? The only positive ISK transaction I have in the game is SRP. So my stake in all of this is if line member income stops, my fun stops.
I think the gameplay we want is very similar.
market trading is great. it takes very little time and you can gain massive income after you learn what your doing and the best part is since you don't undock no risk unless you make a mistake. citdels might change that but for right now passive income sources are sp farming. reaction farming never done this, and market trading. there might be others but there the ones i know of. you'll never get rich but you can pvp.
it sounds like we both enjoy doing the same thing and to be honest i'm sure people in every group enjoy what we do. this is waht amkes eve amazing is the fact that everyone can set there own end game. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33482
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Posted - 2016.03.23 01:13:25 -
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I can't stand market clicking and upkeep.
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1704
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Posted - 2016.03.23 03:12:45 -
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So CFC spends a year or so meta gaming with "occpancy sov" and "apex force" to force their enemies completely out of ~true sov holding~.
Now the complaint is "our enemies have no true interest in holding sov and only harass us with throwaway subcaps".
Hoisted by your own petard, well and truly. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33482
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Posted - 2016.03.23 04:21:45 -
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Yeah that's the spin, my narrative-hungry friend. Let's not forget that small part about the contract to attack Imperium sov. So whether it's a rumored RMT banker on a love-hate trip or Mittens himself behind the ISK, it's good practice. Smug it up, though, no point in having a levelheaded discussion about a game mechanic now.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Violence of Action.
1006
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Posted - 2016.03.23 04:25:11 -
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Practice implies you get better at thing. You're starting to lose timers, so you might want to rethink how you're "practicing".
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
424
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Posted - 2016.03.23 04:25:56 -
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Get rid of sovereignty as a formal game mechanic. In other words, delete TCUs from the game. There would be of course many many repercussions of such a move - but it's the ultimate form of Occupancy SOV. |
Xeno Szenn
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2016.03.23 07:02:23 -
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Getting rid of the sov map would create a truly occupy sov situation. if you have the strength then you own it if not then rip. I don;t think it's the right answer though planting a flag on the map is important so some people in this game. mabey just have a tcu no sov upgrades and all that just you can put your flag here now protect it kind of deal. |
Hello Meza
Applied Anarchy ChaosTheory.
4
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Posted - 2016.03.23 07:11:15 -
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Reiisha wrote:I was thinking, why not remove the sovereignty mechanic outright? I feel too many mechanics are necessary *just* to decide the color of the map.
This.
You can still have colour on the map based on who "lives" and "works" where and how much. There is still no reason other than colour on a map to actually have sov. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33482
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Posted - 2016.03.23 10:49:50 -
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Aiwha wrote:Practice implies you get better at thing. You're starting to lose timers, so you might want to rethink how you're "practicing". If you mean initial timers, 20 minutes is incredibly short. It's easier to let those go and respond to the finals which are on a schedule, than scramble to get people there in the last few minutes of an initial hack. The initials are gimmes.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2717
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Posted - 2016.03.23 13:05:26 -
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Eli Stan wrote:Get rid of sovereignty as a formal game mechanic. In other words, delete TCUs from the game. There would be of course many many repercussions of such a move - but it's the ultimate form of Occupancy SOV.
Leave the TCU there but just make it and the I-HUB ownership flip according to what happens in a system. PvP kills, PvE, mining, everything. THen it really become an occupancy based SOV system instead of this abortion where occupancy only really give you a bonus for the flag capping real game. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1107
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Posted - 2016.03.23 14:09:45 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Leave the TCU there but just make it and the I-HUB ownership flip according to what happens in a system. PvP kills, PvE, mining, everything. THen it really become an occupancy based SOV system instead of this abortion where occupancy only really give you a bonus for the flag capping real game. There is a downside to IHUB flipping mech the way I see it - it doesn't incentivise people to blow the thing up except in situation when people who invade a system aren't looking forward to settling there. I'm not sure if hardware not going boom more often is within EVE philosophy and/or economical model.
On a side note, when CCP declared sov changes, I was actually expecting this kind of thing instead of what we have ended up with.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2718
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Posted - 2016.03.25 00:10:16 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Leave the TCU there but just make it and the I-HUB ownership flip according to what happens in a system. PvP kills, PvE, mining, everything. THen it really become an occupancy based SOV system instead of this abortion where occupancy only really give you a bonus for the flag capping real game. There is a downside to IHUB flipping mech the way I see it - it doesn't incentivise people to blow the thing up except in situation when people who invade a system aren't looking forward to settling there. I'm not sure if hardware not going boom more often is within EVE philosophy and/or economical model. On a side note, when CCP declared sov changes, I was actually expecting this kind of thing instead of what we have ended up with.
If you have to do something meaningful in that system to work toward the ownership of it, stuff will end up going boom at some point unless the space is not worth the effort. If the space isn't worth the effort, then you have a different problem on your hands to deal with. |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
833
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Posted - 2016.03.25 10:30:50 -
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Not sure but if someone decided to hold the territory and consider himself as a land lord later on this would automatically means that someone else would think of to take that territory as well. So here we have this conflict of interests which lead both sides to have a deal or fight. Having limited period of time during which one the territory vulnarable for capture is a complete nonsence. Same thing about that a small gang of rookie ships mounted with single module could 'destabilize' the whole system by opening doors for invaders. This type of sov is a cancer. The disease which tend people to collaborate under 'blue doughnut' or let the land go into someone else hands.
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CBBOMBERMAN
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
18
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Posted - 2016.03.25 16:12:33 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Not sure but if someone decided to hold the territory and consider himself as a land lord later on this would automatically means that someone else would think of to take that territory as well. So here we have this conflict of interests which lead both sides to have a deal or fight. Having limited period of time during which one the territory vulnarable for capture is a complete nonsence. Same thing about that a small gang of rookie ships mounted with single module could 'destabilize' the whole system by opening doors for invaders. This type of sov is a cancer. The disease which tend people to collaborate under 'blue doughnut' or let the land go into someone else hands.
blue donut existed for years way before new sov. New sov is not related at all to the blue donut. Infact the new sov has changed space completely. All you have to do is open veritas sov and see the big difference between north and south. The blue donut only really exist in the north now..
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
833
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Posted - 2016.03.25 22:03:21 -
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CBBOMBERMAN wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Not sure but if someone decided to hold the territory and consider himself as a land lord later on this would automatically means that someone else would think of to take that territory as well. So here we have this conflict of interests which lead both sides to have a deal or fight. Having limited period of time during which one the territory vulnarable for capture is a complete nonsence. Same thing about that a small gang of rookie ships mounted with single module could 'destabilize' the whole system by opening doors for invaders. This type of sov is a cancer. The disease which tend people to collaborate under 'blue doughnut' or let the land go into someone else hands.
blue donut existed for years way before new sov. New sov is not related at all to the blue donut. Infact the new sov has changed space completely. All you have to do is open veritas sov and see the big difference between north and south. The blue donut only really exist in the north now..
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
833
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Posted - 2016.03.25 22:05:07 -
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CBBOMBERMAN wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Not sure but if someone decided to hold the territory and consider himself as a land lord later on this would automatically means that someone else would think of to take that territory as well. So here we have this conflict of interests which lead both sides to have a deal or fight. Having limited period of time during which one the territory vulnarable for capture is a complete nonsence. Same thing about that a small gang of rookie ships mounted with single module could 'destabilize' the whole system by opening doors for invaders. This type of sov is a cancer. The disease which tend people to collaborate under 'blue doughnut' or let the land go into someone else hands.
blue donut existed for years way before new sov. New sov is not related at all to the blue donut. Infact the new sov has changed space completely. All you have to do is open veritas sov and see the big difference between north and south. The blue donut only really exist in the north now..
Its just confirms that CCP doesn't know how to manage null sec ownreship properly. And goons the only ones who manage to succesfully control huge territory under imperium's vings. And XiX. Brothers of Tangra and Northen Associates spaces been left for good by their landlords. And these landlords are attacking goons now only for fun or either content but not to hold their sov. Cause both pl/nc said after aegis that they don't interested in sov. |
Xeno Szenn
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2016.03.26 02:03:40 -
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there have been a ton of good fights recently and a few things have highlighted the strength of fozie sov. Small groups working away from the main fleets. Fights going down almost nightly including large engagements. neither side commiting to fights they will obviously lose. All in all so far the system seems to work. i don;t know how it works on a large scale yet but on a small scale it seems to work quite well. I am really interested in seeing what citdels brinig to the mix. also Lucas Kell and Rain6637 it's been a ton of fun chatting and debating with you. I hope we can have more conversations about game mechanics and keep the discussion going. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33483
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Posted - 2016.03.26 03:08:42 -
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My mind turns to you (PL) when it comes to citadels. Right now yeah you have sov but will the docking rights to supers entice PL to commit to a citadel and fill it with stuff?
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Xeno Szenn
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2016.03.26 04:00:10 -
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i'm not anyone in PL but i don't think it would to be honest. It's hard to be nomadic when you have to defend assets all over. If you could cyno over the entire map again potentially but witht he current way we move in eve it would take away our nomadic lifestyle. Like i said i'm no one and could be 100 percent wrong. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33483
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Posted - 2016.03.26 06:58:20 -
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I was on a fleet multiboxing entosis links tonight. I need some time to compose myself.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33484
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Posted - 2016.03.27 04:19:48 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I was on a fleet multiboxing entosis links tonight. I need some time to compose myself. Dear CCP,
You know how Thera failed to become the "Mos Eisley of EVE" without Concord because it's way too dangerous to appeal to industrialists? In the same way, Entosis fails to appeal to players who aren't willing to make EVE a full-time job.
By participating in Entosis gameplay I feel as though I'm betraying the playerbase with "but activity has increased."
It feels like you're trying to make social gameplay harder to maintain in spite of you. Your notions of what gameplay should be are out of touch and we are literally using the act of playing as punishment against each other.
Open up Jove space held by CCP alliance for a week and see what it's like to maintain Entosis sov. Even if you fail, I would give you credit for having experienced this epically disjointed gameplay.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33484
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Posted - 2016.03.27 04:27:34 -
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Do it on Sisi and give Polaris frigates a 400% bonus to entosis minute effectiveness, idgaf.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
833
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Posted - 2016.03.27 04:33:23 -
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It appeared that Entosis module one of the most powerfull tools in Eve which makes people think that they got almost thumb of god in their hands or makes it feel Eve your second home full of assets which you have to protect or take care of which in the end makes it full time asssignment. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33484
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Posted - 2016.03.27 04:43:12 -
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Considering an AFK Vexor can entosis a structure in 20 minutes, by hypothetical DPS that means a structure now has
300 DPS x 60seconds x 20 minutes = 360,000 EHP
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33484
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Posted - 2016.03.27 04:44:35 -
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Better do it AFK though or else you'll lose your damn mind, potentially a fleet at a time.
I can't imagine a better way to dare your playerbase to stage a mass exodus but I'm sure you'll surprise me.
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