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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Anglo on 09/02/2007 20:42:24 how much did bob get out of this ?? how many people were killed due to a gm being in bob ? is there other isues we should need to know ?
sabre was bound to bring in some isk. will those isk be taken from bob ? as in the isk they made from all the bpo ?`i dont think taking the bpos is enough.
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Arowe Telak
Warped Mining Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy They weren't actually even very good BPO's
All except the Sabre bpo, which is one of the best.
Anyways, at the very least I hope all the accusations in COAD dies down. It was getting a bit stupid tbh.
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Niaski Zalani
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nullity
Originally by: Niaski Zalani Oh, that's just great.
So first there's an attempt to sweep it under the rug, and a lot of denials. Then you ban K.'s accounts, for no real reason.
And now you're telling everyone that yes, there's truth behind it?
Bloody hell. Are you going to be re-instating those 7 accounts you banned? Because frankly, the guy deserves having his accounts back.
Even if there wasn't any truth behind it, I don't get why CCP would ban somebody for out-of-game actions. If anything, doing that will be bad for CCP in the long run.
Well, I can see why they might've banned him, it's natural to try and protect one's interests, but a) he didn't do anything that other players in EVE haven't done before (and they're still around) and b) he was right whilst BoB -and- CCP claimed he wasn't.
He deserves to be unbanned. That might just restore my faith in CCP, because right now the faith-o-meter is hitting rock bottom and breaking out the jackhammer to dig deeper. yarr. |
sloany
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:44:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Enjolras Its unfortunate that this justice is only triggered by 3rd party investigation.
Makes you wonder how many more incidents like this are left uncovered.
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Zhull
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:44:00 -
[35]
Are all items gained by this unfair advantage going to be removed?
The DEV blog mentions the BPOs. What about the items produced by the BPO that are in the hands of players and any money made from insurance or sale of such items?
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:45:00 -
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t20 still on CCP nooooot good
Quote: IĈm truly sorry
i don't believe that u know the rule u break the rule now OUT @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:45:00 -
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Oh dear, I really hoped that the allegations were not true.
I'm going now, won't be playing this weekend. Think this over, I'm very sad.
And not very coherent, sorry.
I ******* hate cheaters.
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Malachi
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:46:00 -
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So what happens to the billions of isk that these bpos generated?
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0Virtu0
Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz even if what t20 did was wrong i hope he keeps his job
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Susan Mathers
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:47:00 -
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I'm happy to see some accountability and some disclosure for a topic that is so heated. I'm sure others are going to be asking, but what of some of the other issues that were alleged against BoB? Account Sharing, and insider knowledge of exploits, and said use of exploits. The current response of "If you feel that there has been a violation of the EULA... file a petition..." is not appropriate. The allegation has been made, and there is no need for multiple people to file a petition about it. Can CCP at least comment that the matter is also being looked into, and specifically what they are looking into? (or that the matter has been resolved)
But I am glad that more information has been shared. (and not to pick on t20, but I take it his abuse of the game did not lead to his termination of employment)
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Cyrus Ildemar
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:47:00 -
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Beyond all the things that have been brought up, I'd like to bring up an issue that came up yesterday.
A GM was spotted in a Polaris Frigate in 28y, warping from moon to moon. This was a day before BoB declared that they would attack us. We have screenshots, and the GM's name.
Frankly, I don't mean to be paranoid or accuse anyone of improper conduct without proof, but perhaps given the circumstances, some tinfoil hattery is justified.
Was there a reason for that GM to be checking out our moons? Is this going to be a regular feature of this war?
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Zachri
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:48:00 -
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t20
I have no doubt that the community will accept your apologies, but we hope this is not a case of burying the greater trends and issues by putting a small wrong on the table.
There is still a lot which needs to be addressed, this has never been about developers helping to do anything. This is about core issues regarding negative trends in the history of EVE and a multitude of outstanding individual topics.
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Mitsuko Souma
Gallente The United Federation of Spice
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz even if what t20 did was wrong i hope he keeps his job
What he ^ said :/
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Templer Relleg
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:49:00 -
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I honestly dont think its good enoug T20. You knew you were breaking the rules.
As pointed out. CCP is hitting the bottom. Its hard to believe in CCP now, when people like T20, who is the face of CCP to some extend to the outside(He were on Evetv several time), admits that he did such things. It being bob doesnt make it any better
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
u know the rule u break the rule now OUT
In my opinion, it really is that simple. Why is he still around?
Originally by: Zhull Are all items gained by this unfair advantage going to be removed?
The DEV blog mentions the BPOs. What about the items produced by the BPO that are in the hands of players and any money made from insurance or sale of such items?
I can only hope each and everyone is removed.
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aggro
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:49:00 -
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the bpo returns is a start.
but the money made from that which must be billions. will this be returned. i very much doubt it. so the damage has been done.
what is keiron answer to this question
Where there is trouble you will always find AGGRO |
General Xenophon
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:49:00 -
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Shameful. Absolutely shameful. -> http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424
While in part my opinion of CCP has been lowered by this, I understand that we being human are imperfect and there is a true need for forgiveness all around. This said, I as a player in the community of Eve, wish to forgive the offender. CCP please please make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again. Let's learn from our mistakes and move on. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints |
ZaKma
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:49:00 -
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While t20 did something he shouldn't have done, I really hope he doesn't get fired. He's been with the community for a long time.
It's not like the BPO's made some huge difference in terms of isk or advantage or anything. It's wrong of course, but nothing staggering.
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James Potkukelkka
Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:49:00 -
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Finally, an answer.
NOW you can use the line, you tried earlier: Originally by: kieron We hope that this statement will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community.
-- Always trust the devs
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Cyrus Ildemar
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrus Ildemar on 09/02/2007 20:46:12
Originally by: Arowe Telak All except the Sabre bpo, which is one of the best.
Anyways, at the very least I hope all the accusations in COAD dies down. It was getting a bit stupid tbh.
Wait, what? One of the accusations has proven to be 100% true. The person who was guilty assured us that the others were false, but to be entirely honest, I'm not sure how much trust we should put in his word.
If anything, this makes me pretty adamant that the other issues need to be investigated in-depth, and the results shared with the community.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:50:00 -
[51]
So basically to summarize at this point, what exactly has been/is going to be done? So far I see nothing from either post as far as actual results from the investigation besides the 'return of the T2 BPOs to the lottery' (big deal).
Is t20 going to be terminated and/or recieving any kind of punishment? Are all the players that are *not* devs that have been banned etc. going to recieve reparations since they have been proved correct?
What is to become of the billions of ISK generated with the BPOs since their introduction into the game? What is CCPs official standing policy going to be now so that when/if this occures in the future the community will know *FOR SURE* what will happen to the offender?
The community at large is still left wanting for some actual results and closure of this incedent. What say you CCP?
If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer. |
Raketefrau
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Raketefrau on 09/02/2007 20:52:27 I don't understand why the whistleblower is being punished.
He rooted out wrongdoing, CCP was actually forced to take action, and for that he gets banned? If he hadn't outed the toons (who had already outed themselves to their corpmates), none of these "illegal" activities would have come to light, and CCP would still be sweeping everything under the rug.
Kugutsmen, I appreciate what you've done for the Eve community. It's a pity CCP can't see it that way.
How much similar activity is going on that we don't know about? This one case gets revealed, and CCP, after being dragged hesitantly through the mud, reaches out with a horrible reaction.
How do we know that this isn't continuing to happen elsewhere in the universe? What faith are now supposed to have in CCP's watchguarding abilities?
How are we supposed to trust the fact that CCP isn't sweeping other, lesser-known "crimes" under the rug as well?
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IHaveTenFingers
Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:50:00 -
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Thanks guys and gals. Thats what we needed. lets move on now, shall we? ------------------------------------
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Garrakh
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:51:00 -
[54]
Not enough. Guys, if you dont react to this appropiately you are all going to lose your jobs.
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Irrilian
Quetzalcoatl Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:51:00 -
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Firstly, thank you for taking the time to update us.
Personally I don't want vengeance, I want reform. I don't want to see anyone sacked, but I want to see a clear line drawn under this incident so that it doesn't reoccur.
Everyone seems fixated on the techII blueprints, which is understandable, for an individual player they represent an unimaginable wealth and for a corp or alliance a huge boon, but they are but only a trivial aspect of the entire affair, that is that a few individuals with power have abused it for their own ends, be it Dev, GM or ISD volunteer. It only takes a few rotten apples to taint the entire barrel and without transparency and accountability innocent actions are tarred with the same brush as guilty ones. e.g. A day before announcement of the BoB offensive a GM was apparently spotted flying from moon to moon in one of their enemies systems. Such could be a completely innocent act in the performance of their normal duties, but in light of recent concerns the cynic in mean is inclined to presume that some corrupt GM was using his polaris frigate to scout for BoB.
Mr Petursson, I dont want t20's head on a platter, I dont want an apology, but unless there is root and branch reform so that not only is the entire system fair, but clearly seen to be fair, then I will regretfully take my money elsewhere.
Please give me a reason to stay, playing a game I love made by a company I respect. - - - PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery |
Lucre
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lucre on 09/02/2007 20:51:13
Originally by: Kurj Valdoria Wow. In the grand scheme of things that ammounts to seriously so little. Anyone demanding more or threatening to quit over this still feel free to contract your stuff to me.
That's kind of like saying "well, it was only half a dozen murders and only one of them was anybody even halfway important".
And if this was known about last June, why has it taken this many days (and angry posts) of "investigation" including at least one "I hope we can now put this behind us" before the truth came out? If this is indeed the whole truth and not someone drawing the short straw and throwing themselves off the sledge to try to placate the wolves?
And yes, that is cynical. But when we've been this betrayed, both in the original sin, in its policing, and in the time and pressure this "truth" has taken to be dragged out, kicking and screaming, why should we have any trust left?
We who love this game have been betrayed. By him. And by the rest of CCP.
Fix it. Fix it right. Get the truth out. All of it. Now. Please. |
Hesh Ballantine
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:52:00 -
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Two items:
1) It's all well and good to have the blueprints returned to the lottery, but how can you possibly account for the all the income generated by those blueprints in the last seven months and all the assets purchased with said income?
2) Hellmar explains that in the past employees have been terminated for this behavior but makes no mention of t20's current fate. It's fine for him to sit there and beg forgiveness, but I'll bet he'd be a lot sorrier if he had to go on the dole. Furthermore you set a dangerous precedent by implying to other would-be inside men that they can cheat on behalf of their corp and still keep their job.
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Danny Hawk
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Raketefrau I don't understand why the whistleblower is being punished.
He rooted out wrongdoing, CCP was actually forced to take action, and for that he gets banned? If he hadn't outed the toons (who had already outed themselves to their corpmates), none of these "illegal" activities would have come to light, and CCP would still be sweeping everything under the rug.
maybes its so he cannto uncover more dodgy stuff in the band of developers. whats happenin to the profits made from these prints and the question is can u be 100% sure that no other of bob's t2 bpos are illgotten? Kugutsmen, I appreciate what you've done for the Eve community. It's a pity CCP can't see it that way.
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Eva Simonson
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:54:00 -
[59]
Please stay constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
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Major Stormer
Caldari Red Storm Vendetta
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:54:00 -
[60]
I am personally happy to see a final resolve to this, and look forward to the commuanity moving on and to peoples attention moving to defeating the Band Of Brothers ingame.
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