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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:06:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:After reading the thread on why people suicide gank, the obvious answer..."because they can"...doesnt really address the question.
Apparently there are advantages and disadvantages involved in doing so.
The question here is, currently with present day EVE mechanics, do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? And if so how can it be better balanced so as to discourage it.
Your thoughts/ideas?
If it is fun people will do it.
Look at how people flog dead horses...
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1765
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Posted - 2012.03.05 09:32:00 -
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Cain Blazed wrote:While i dont mind ganking happening and such. I do feel alot of potential new eve gamers are lost since they easly loose their new mining/industrial ship. Its maybe to easy to kill them??
New people aren't flying around in Exhumers.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
248
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Posted - 2012.03.05 10:58:00 -
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Tribalic One wrote:Smell tears, I do. I honestly don't understand why this is such a debate... It's not as if there are massive gank squadrons flying around ganking every hulk or freighter on undock. We are all playing the same game right?! Every ship I undock I know is at risk of being lost. "Don't fly it, if you can't lose it." - Some EvE Guy
There aren't, but maybe there should be? Their targets should be Incursions, for obvious reasons.
Hulkageddon, you've 30 minutes to clean out your desk, and then security will escort you from the building. You've been replaced by...Incursion-geddon!
Oh Gods, please, DO EET!!
In irae, veritas. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
361
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:08:00 -
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Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:Why do you feel it needs to be discouraged?
Because every time a ship is ganked, or a Cheetoh eaten, God kills a kitten. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
248
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:13:00 -
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Crystal Liche wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:After reading the thread on why people suicide gank, the obvious answer..."because they can"...doesnt really address the question.
Apparently there are advantages and disadvantages involved in doing so.
The question here is, currently with present day EVE mechanics, do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? And if so how can it be better balanced so as to discourage it.
Your thoughts/ideas? Pros to suicide gank? I have no idea, to me it doesn't even look fun. I think you have to be like a 14 year old boy, to me it has that "smash stuff" aura that little boys like about the age right before they discover girls. I guess if a person is bored?
I'm pushing age 40. And I like "smashing stuff" on occasion, too. Much more so than I did when I was a kid, actually.
There's a little more to it than that, I think...
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
248
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:31:00 -
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ReiAnn wrote:Suicide ganking needs to be address more by CCP. Just killing the insurance payout is in essense the least they could do. There are mega-corps/alliances that pay people to do it in order to manipulate item markets. Just taking away isk is like telling a serial killer he's been bad and sending him on his way. It's sad when high sec is riskier than null sec. Plus, people use it as a griefing mechanism which is strictly against policy, but nothing ever gets done about it. If you're going to be a pirate, be a pirate. Don't gank ships to pad your killboard, then grind sec status because you don't want to be stuck in low sec. Entire corp and alliances should be forced to bare the weight of their member actions. I would rather compete with a bot than deal with an idoit who is getting free ships to mess with me while I mine. If you want to stop my mining operation, declare war and bring it like a real man. Better yet, make everyone with a negative status killable both ship and pod. It's REALISTIC. I love how everyone says fight back, but EVE is suppose to have an aspect for every player and every player doesnt want to PVP.
ArtyNado pilots, x-up.
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
248
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:41:00 -
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D'Kelle wrote:If you want CCP to improve the ballance, personally I think you are wasting your time and effort, its one of their stealth ways of making Empire gaming more of a chore, however the following might be a considered way they could do it, and that would be for Concorde to tractor/transport the offending POD Pilots off to an In system Prison which holds the POD for upto max 5 gaming days depending upon the cost of damage they caused so that they cannot clone jump or warp out to either a safe spot or out of system. pluss the other in system pilots can verbally take the Pi*s out of them in local then whilst in there, and I guess they may gain some Kudos for having been "inside". It wont stop them but it will cause them inconvenience and reduce the incentive, and perhaps force them to war dec corps as they should do;That is if they have what it takes to do that, which I doubt. Dont get angry get EVEn :]
You:
Uninstall.
Now.
(If troll: 0/10, no originality or style whatsoever--don't quit your day-job!) In irae, veritas. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2295
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:49:00 -
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D'Kelle wrote:You are not even a true Goon. Just a wannabe Goon trailing along in their great shadow. like some beggar attempting to be what youre not. "Goonwaffe" sounds like some watered down erzats version of the "True Goons".
Please point out where the true goons are, NPC corp alt posting pubbie "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
248
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:59:00 -
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D'Kelle wrote:
just keep a few cheap alts to suicide podkill the bas*ards then recycle your throwaway alt char. keep em in an npc corp with no link too you just like they do.
Yes, please do this:
Recycling sui-gank alts is an exploit that will get you banned, so then we have one less perpetual willing victim shitting up these forums trying to force utter pants-on-head stupidity on the rest of us (in-system 5 day "jail." Oh, Mother of All Gods...) to justify its miserable, lifeless existence.
But before you do that and get yourself banned for exploiting, remember to contract your assets/send your ISK to me, as you won't be needing it anymore.
Yes, please! In irae, veritas. |
Lady Mariko
Jigoku's Atomic Pimpz
5
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Posted - 2012.03.05 13:47:00 -
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ReiAnn wrote:Yes, please, threaten me with suicide ganking crew. Grow up. This is the prime example of the people who need to go back to playing WOW. They don't have the intellect to do anything that might actually force them into a fight they might loose. No where in the world do legimate corporations openningly consort with criminals. If you want to be a criminal, then you have to deal with the conseqences of your actions. CCP really needs to institute a prison system like Escape from New York or better yet place them in a padded cell like any suicidal person is kept in by authorities for a long length of time. Keep players from clone jumping so they are forced to risk the fancy implants they don't want to risk while suiciding themselves. Force gankers to pay for damages done before being allowed to grind back their security status. If a PVE player is forced to deal wtih PVP players, then at least make the losses equal.
And by the way, there is no where on the main site that claims EVE is a pvp only game. so either the developers need to change their advertising or actually make EVE a game of all varieties.
Wow you the crazy angry person
Gank is more fun if miner has protection. Just watch and wait for him let the guard down. Or do it under his nose. Some one say not to use cheap ship.....what a dumbazz. |
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.06 10:07:00 -
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Of course.
Taking it too far
I contracted him his stuff. Mailed and suggested he just quit. I can't be bothered to defend a game company that looks the other way when people treat thier new players like that. |
NuMaiky
Ring of Honor
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:39:00 -
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ok at this time i have both Pros and cons to this idea of "GANK"
Pros
1: they get a kill mail thats over costs there lose in isk over all its not a battle of who's lost the most ships its a fight over isk 1 mill isk can tell who won or who lost
2: the Gankers noraml have a loot stealer on site ( alts always alts ) to steal the loot and rarely but sometimes u get a loot kill thats worth a few 500 mill or so and even better they drop "faction" loot my corp mate from a long time ago lost a 4 bill is mac trying to def vs 4 gankers sad part is they failed the frist time and he got 4 Kill mails but he still lost it cuz of there 2end time around
3: Stop the botting thats has made the game AFK all the time
now this is the cons
1: Gank all the miners stops mining for a bit lowering the amount of Ore coming to station and ore is sent to builders and builders build the ships that we love and use all the time over all Ganking a mining ship means u are "ACTIVELY" asking to have ship prices go higher
2: Sec standings yes we lose it all but i do not understand a few things about that so i will not say much
add:
now what CCP should add to this game is not letting players with -3.00 standings in 0.6 or higher as EVE is all about what u do has a bad thing come with it
they can freely roam in high sec with -10.00 and another thing HIGH SEC is meaning safer peaceful i have seen players sit out side of "new palyer starting zones" and insta pop players left and right how do they even get a chance?
there is a few ways to stop gankers all together
1: make Concord timing 5 secs fastter with insta pop 2: Force concord to demand a payment paid too the person being attacked in question or be killed 3: adding more harder Tank to mining ships and Hualers to stop this Ganking 4: removeing all Ganking idea permantly and adding a ban for Gank ( would not be my frist choice as its 5: Adding more CPU and PowerGrid to all Exumers class ships ( +100 Being a med class ship and having less then most frigs is not what i call fair )
i belive alot of players who Suicide Gank is cuz they want too win at PVP but suck at it so they need a LARGE handny cap by killing miners who have no HOPE of winning
gankers have done it soo much that there is now SET FITS for every class fit for mining ships
all i can say is that there are many forums of what is now called Carebears
i belive that Gankers are called CareBears Gankers cuz killing unlessly hulks and mac and not "other" class ships gets to be lame and wasteful more or less
i am a mininer i have delt with MANY MANY CLASS of them i care not for the Trash talking they do i just take it 1 day at a time with EVE
this is just my mind of what i see it as if u have any coments on this plz EVE mail me
if u wish to Rage and lol at me your going to get nothing but a nice block cuz i care not and don't honest have the time
Sigh by NuMaiky |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
23
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:41:00 -
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Pros: You can get phat lootz It creates delicious tears
Cons: You lose a ship |
Cipher Jones
343
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:59:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Pros: You can get phat lootz It creates delicious tears
Cons: You lose a ship
Eloquent in its simplicity.
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |
Cletus Graeme
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
18
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:06:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote: The question here is, currently with present day EVE mechanics, do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages?
Take a look at these kills and tell me if you think it's worth it
Alliance details - Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service |
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