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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.14 11:27:08 -
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Hi all,
Off the bat, I know that the Legion isn't the best T3 Strat Cruiser for exploration. I'm not after being the best, I just want something that I can enjoy looking at when playing and the legion is the only one out of the four I like. If that means i'm making life harder for myself, then so be it :). It's the reason I fly a Magnate and will be flying an Anathema. I think i'm an Amarr in a Caldari body. Must have been an accident at the cloning plant!!
I'm wanting to know what a decent build would be for a legion for Relic/Data and Combat sites (or 2 builds if I need to swap out with portable fitter)
Again, I appreciate the ship I would like to use is not ideal, but I would really like some help :)
Kindest of regards Teium |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
847
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Posted - 2016.03.14 14:57:05 -
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Re: other thread. If you don't want to go astero because it is too expensive, then any T3 cruiser is totally out of the question.
Yea, I fly the Anathema because it looks cool, even if the Helios is better. Buzzard looks cool too. Legion is also the only t3 I like the looks of, especially in the mini-Avatar configuration. So I totally fell what you are saying.
I suggest continuing to train up your skills in exploration, both player and character. When you feel like a astero is within your budget, or the stratios then move up to one of those. Or you can go with the t3 dessys. If after moving up to one of those you feel a t3 cruiser is within our budget then move up to that.
Basically, if you can't afford to easily replace a ship. For example, can you replace a fitted ship with less than 1/10 of your free isk? If not then losing the ship will probably hurt too much so you shouldn't fly it.....yet.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Bloemkoolsaus
Viperfleet Inc. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
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Posted - 2016.03.14 15:28:45 -
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The legion isn't to great at combat in the convert / scanning configuration. So, what you do is you take a mobile depot with you and spare modules so you can refit to a combat fit when you've scanned down a couple of sites.
I'm not gonna give you a fit but here's the general idea with wich you can (hopefully) develop your own fit:
- The scanning fit is pretty straight forward, cov ops cloak and probes, scanning upgrades, maybe an analyzer/hacker.
- For the combat fit the legion has 2 options for offensive subsystem, lazers or missiles. I prefer heavy assault missiles, but i suppose lasers will work aswell. You'll want to have some local armor reppers in the lows ofcourse.
With trial and error you can improve your fit.
Finally, remember that the legion is an expensive ship. Don't slack off and properly scout and dscan while you're running the sites (depending on where you're running ofcourse). |
ISD Chanisa Nemes
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.03.14 16:24:01 -
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I'm a firm believer that you should fly the ship that you like flying. It's part of what makes this game immersive and enjoyable. It's part of the reason why I skipped caldari cruiser and went for minmatar when I decided I wanted to fly logi (I'm looking at YOU Basilisk). My question for you, is what kind of sites are you looking to do with it? Combat and data/relic sites have a huge range in difficulty and I think it's important to plan your fit for the task at hand
ISD Chanisa Nemes
Ensign
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
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Posted - 2016.03.14 17:24:27 -
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You have to realise that a cloaky, interdiction nullified legion with hacking mods in the mids, (and often warp core stabs in the lows) is going to be a very pricy, and quite defenceless ship once caught (and I have caught a few.) Yes, they can be hard to catch, but is it really worth putting that much ISK into a ship where a covops frigate can actually do the job better? (Due to less travel times between cans.)
If I'm hunting i may ignore a hacking T1 frigate, but I'll drop whatever I am doing to hunt a hacking t3 cruiser. |
Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2016.03.14 18:35:53 -
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Ira Ahrens - Cost wise i wont be getting one till i recon i'll be near half a billion due to the length of time it'll take to get one. I've got 200mill so far so shouldnt be hard to get to. I also intend to go Anathema when I get to T2 :)
Bloemkoolsaus - Yeah, I understand it's not the best of it's field, but I really dont like the other 3 :(
Chanisa Nemes - Glad someone agrees with how I want to fly :) I intend on doing WH and Nullsec data/relic. I'd like to do HighSec combat sites.
Trevor Dalech - I guess. I just want the next lvl ship in my progression and the T3 seem to be the one. Don't want to get bored doing the same thing and looking at the same ship.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14768
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Posted - 2016.03.14 19:41:04 -
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The legion is an outstanding ship, it's just the most balanced of the t3 cruisers which is why people say its bad
Ham legion is excellent but prohibitively bulky fitting to carry about in a cloaky travel fit because the launchers have to go in the hold as you can't have them with the covops sub, you will also be restricted in how much ammo you can bring so imho if your going ham, you should be ham the whole time.
A more reasonable idea is lasers , can keep the turrets when swapping out of the covops sub and ammo concerns are minimal to no-existent and you get much better dps too.
My only personal complaint about the ship is its about as nimble as a three bedroom semi-detached house. One of my personal favourite ships in the game by a fairly large margin (and intimidating in pvp, people get squirrely when they see it on d-scan)
Better the Devil you know.
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2016.03.14 19:42:35 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:The legion is an outstanding ship, it's just the most balanced of the t3 cruisers which is why people say its bad
Ham legion is excellent but prohibitively bulky fitting to carry about in a cloaky travel fit because the launchers have to go in the hold as you can't have them with the covops sub, you will also be restricted in how much ammo you can bring so imho if your going ham, you should be ham the whole time.
A more reasonable idea is lasers , can keep the turrets when swapping out of the covops sub and ammo concerns are minimal to no-existent and you get much better dps too.
My only personal complaint about the ship is its about as nimble as a three bedroom semi-detached house. One of my personal favourite ships in the game by a fairly large margin (and intimidating in pvp, people get squirrely when they see it on d-scan)
Ah cool :)
p.s. What does HAM mean? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14768
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Posted - 2016.03.14 19:54:53 -
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Heavy Assault Missile
Better the Devil you know.
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Zirashi
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.14 20:04:20 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote: Ira Ahrens - Cost wise i wont be getting one till i recon i'll be near half a billion due to the length of time it'll take to get one. I've got 200mill so far so shouldnt be hard to get to. I also intend to go Anathema when I get to T2 :).
A fully fit T3 cruiser like the Legion generally runs for around 600-800mil ISK. Even more if you plan on blinging out your tank or carrying multiple subsystems with associated modules. It is not uncommon for the most potent T3C fits to be up at the 1bil ISK per ship mark or more.
Not to mention losing one will lose you some SP as well (about 7 days worth of training time in the T3C skills). |
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2016.03.14 20:20:51 -
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Well its gonna take me 61 days just to fly it so by my calculations I should have a few billion by then :) |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14768
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Posted - 2016.03.14 20:25:42 -
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Zirashi wrote:Teium Purvanen wrote: Ira Ahrens - Cost wise i wont be getting one till i recon i'll be near half a billion due to the length of time it'll take to get one. I've got 200mill so far so shouldnt be hard to get to. I also intend to go Anathema when I get to T2 :). A fully fit T3 cruiser like the Legion generally runs for around 600-800mil ISK. Even more if you plan on blinging out your tank or carrying multiple subsystems with associated modules. It is not uncommon for the most potent T3C fits to be up at the 1bil ISK per ship mark or more. Not to mention losing one will lose you some SP as well (about 7 days worth of training time in the T3C skills). Bingy PVP legion runs about 1.1 - 1.5 billion, though its been about two years since i built one and i still have it so the cost may have inflated somewhat (the fact that i still have it though should speak volumes)
I imagine it would be less for a blingy pve fit as you wouldn't need to put much isk into the mids ... unless you go 100mn ab which sort of needs a c-type.
this is all rather pointless for this sub-forum though, by the time you are in a position to buy and fly one of these bad girls well you should know well enough how to fit it and keep it alive
Better the Devil you know.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.03.14 20:33:35 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:Ah cool :)
p.s. What does HAM mean?
This is what HAM means
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2016.03.14 20:36:01 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Zirashi wrote:Teium Purvanen wrote: Ira Ahrens - Cost wise i wont be getting one till i recon i'll be near half a billion due to the length of time it'll take to get one. I've got 200mill so far so shouldnt be hard to get to. I also intend to go Anathema when I get to T2 :). A fully fit T3 cruiser like the Legion generally runs for around 600-800mil ISK. Even more if you plan on blinging out your tank or carrying multiple subsystems with associated modules. It is not uncommon for the most potent T3C fits to be up at the 1bil ISK per ship mark or more. Not to mention losing one will lose you some SP as well (about 7 days worth of training time in the T3C skills). Bingy PVP legion runs about 1.1 - 1.5 billion ( not including refits or additional subs ) though its been about two years since i built one and i still have it so the cost may have inflated somewhat (the fact that i still have it though should speak volumes) I imagine it would be less for a blingy pve fit as you wouldn't need to put much isk into the mids ... unless you go 100mn ab which sort of needs a c-type. this is all rather pointless for this sub-forum though, by the time you are in a position to buy and fly one of these bad girls well you should know well enough how to fit it and keep it alive Op feel free to hit me up in game and ill drop you some fits to aim for + notes on flying them
Done :) |
Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
224
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Posted - 2016.03.15 06:13:29 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote: Trevor Dalech - I guess. I just want the next lvl ship in my progression and the T3 seem to be the one. Don't want to get bored doing the same thing and looking at the same ship.
Unlike other MMOs there is not a clear "progression" in EVE. Each ship usually has its own purpose.
If you want to stick to only hacking I would say that the covert ops frigates are the top of the line. Cruisers move around slower and have, at most, the same bonusses, so your ISK making will be slower.
If you want to diverge into doing combat sites then the legion is a decent ship (although my personal preference goes to the t2 assault cruisers for those, I scan in an astero and switch ships to run sites.) |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
574
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Posted - 2016.03.15 07:03:26 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:Well its gonna take me 61 days just to fly it....
Just because you can sit in a ship, doesn't mean you should actually fly it.
You'll need your support skills (engineering, navigation, armor, gunnery etc) to be pretty solid before you even think of undocking in one. I see you're fairly new, which is awesome welcome!, so either curb your desire for a little while or buy a whole bunch of Skill Injectors off the market.
There's a reason major alliances have pretty steep minimum skill requirements for those who wish to fly in T3 cruiser fleets and get SRP when they invariably asplode. For example, here is the Goonswarm skill requirements for an Anti-Support Legion (there is a small amount of leeway regards subsystems at IV, but only if you've lost a level very recently):
Amarr Strategic Cruiser: IV Amarr Defensive Systems: V Amarr Electronic Systems: V Amarr Offensive Systems: V Amarr Propulsion Systems: V Amarr Engineering Systems: V Hull Upgrades: V Mechanics: V EM Armor Compensation: IV Explosive Armor Compensation: IV Kinetic Armor Compensation: IV Thermic Armor Compensation: IV Advanced Weapon Upgrades: V Armor Rigging: IV Acceleration Control: IV Navigation: V Evasive Maneuvering: V Capacitor Systems Operation: V Capacitor Management: V Thermodynamics: IV CPU Management: V Power Grid Management: V Target Management: IV Signature Analysis: IV Long Range Targeting: IV Propulsion Jamming: IV Medium Pulse Laser Specialization: IV Armor Layering: IV Medium Beam Laser Specialization: IV
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2016.03.15 09:55:44 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Teium Purvanen wrote:Well its gonna take me 61 days just to fly it.... Just because you can sit in a ship, doesn't mean you should actually fly it. You'll need your support skills (engineering, navigation, armor, gunnery etc) to be pretty solid before you even think of undocking in one. I see you're fairly new, which is awesome welcome!, so either curb your desire for a little while or buy a whole bunch of Skill Injectors off the market. There's a reason major alliances have pretty steep minimum skill requirements for those who wish to fly in T3 cruiser fleets and get SRP when they invariably asplode. For example, here is the Goonswarm skill requirements for an Anti-Support Legion (there is a small amount of leeway regards subsystems at IV, but only if you've lost a level very recently): Amarr Strategic Cruiser: IV Amarr Defensive Systems: V Amarr Electronic Systems: V Amarr Offensive Systems: V Amarr Propulsion Systems: V Amarr Engineering Systems: V Hull Upgrades: V Mechanics: V EM Armor Compensation: IV Explosive Armor Compensation: IV Kinetic Armor Compensation: IV Thermic Armor Compensation: IV Advanced Weapon Upgrades: V Armor Rigging: IV Acceleration Control: IV Navigation: V Evasive Maneuvering: V Capacitor Systems Operation: V Capacitor Management: V Thermodynamics: IV CPU Management: V Power Grid Management: V Target Management: IV Signature Analysis: IV Long Range Targeting: IV Propulsion Jamming: IV Medium Pulse Laser Specialization: IV Armor Layering: IV Medium Beam Laser Specialization: IV
Plenty for me to be getting on with then :D |
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
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Posted - 2016.03.15 11:16:43 -
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TBH for a PvE fit you can not worry about having ALL of that trained when you first fly...those minor percentages don't matter so much when fighting NPCs. I flew my first tengu with *whispers* T1 HML launchers and it was excellent for the C5 wormhole PvE I was doing back then - compared to someone flying it with max skills it was pretty terrible BUT it was the best thing I could have been flying at that time and the most useful ship to assist my corp with.
Going from that minimal skill fit to now occasionally taking it out for a spin with almost all Vs is like night and day though...
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14777
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Posted - 2016.03.15 14:11:47 -
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Eli Apol wrote:TBH for a PvE fit you can not worry about having ALL of that trained when you first fly...those minor percentages don't matter so much when fighting NPCs. I flew my first tengu with *whispers* T1 HML launchers and it was excellent for the C5 wormhole PvE I was doing back then - compared to someone flying it with max skills it was pretty terrible BUT it was the best thing I could have been flying at that time and the most useful ship to assist my corp with.
Going from that minimal skill fit to now occasionally taking it out for a spin with almost all Vs is like night and day though... yeah agreed, V or IV for the subs is only a must for pvp (and they are a must for pvp) the hulls will perform admirably with shite skills if you fit them well for pve.
Better the Devil you know.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
578
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Posted - 2016.03.15 14:19:36 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:Plenty for me to be getting on with then :D
yup. Welcome to EVE my friend, welcome to EVE.
I've taken a training path on my combat alt (see sig for details) that I wouldn't actually recommend to most people. I've been in Frigates almost exclusively since I started. I do, however, now have really sweet Navigation, Engineering, Drones, Shield & Armor skills. While I kind of kick myself for not getting into some ships a little faster (Svipul FTW!), I don't regret the choices I made. Patience my friend, patience.
Time spent on those basic core skills is never time wasted. Patience is a virtue and a little patience now will reap huge rewards in the long run. The major, major downside to T3 Cruisers is the skill loss when they asplode. The last thing you want is to blow through half a dozen T3Cs and have to retrain the subsystem skills.
Take a good, close look at the Stratios and Astero or even the CovOps Frigate of your particular racial choice (Amarr? That would be the Anathema. The Caldari one is the Buzzard). If exploration is your thing, those ships can do the job every bit as well as a Legion, at a far lower cost in both ISK and SP.
The major downside to flying a T3C is that anyone who can get a lock on you, WILL want to asplode you. T3Cs make for nice killmails and, eve players being eve players, that skillpoint loss is extra special sauce (especially now that Medical Clones no longer need upgrading).
Welcome to EVE. It's a game that will reward you generously when things go well and kick you solidly in the balls when you do something stupid.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2016.03.15 14:33:50 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Teium Purvanen wrote:Plenty for me to be getting on with then :D yup. Welcome to EVE my friend, welcome to EVE. I've taken a training path on my combat alt (see sig for details) that I wouldn't actually recommend to most people. I've been in Frigates almost exclusively since I started. I do, however, now have really sweet Navigation, Engineering, Drones, Shield & Armor skills. While I kind of kick myself for not getting into some ships a little faster (Svipul FTW!), I don't regret the choices I made. Patience my friend, patience. Time spent on those basic core skills is never time wasted. Patience is a virtue and a little patience now will reap huge rewards in the long run. The major, major downside to T3 Cruisers is the skill loss when they asplode. The last thing you want is to blow through half a dozen T3Cs and have to retrain the subsystem skills. Take a good, close look at the Stratios and Astero or even the CovOps Frigate of your particular racial choice (Amarr? That would be the Anathema. The Caldari one is the Buzzard). If exploration is your thing, those ships can do the job every bit as well as a Legion, at a far lower cost in both ISK and SP. The major downside to flying a T3C is that anyone who can get a lock on you, WILL want to asplode you. T3Cs make for nice killmails and, eve players being eve players, that skillpoint loss is extra special sauce (especially now that Medical Clones no longer need upgrading). Welcome to EVE. It's a game that will reward you generously when things go well and kick you solidly in the balls when you do something stupid.
Thank you for taking the time to post :)
The T3, in reality, is more of a long term goal. For the foreseeable future i'll be flying the Anathema (once i have the skills)
I know what i am wanting to do is probably considered "odd" by most players in EvE, but with my decision to not join a corp (for better or worse), I wont have the crutch to comply with their requirements .
The main thing i'm thankful for with the responses I've had is everyone has made it very clear that I know the risks that are involved with my path choice, but not one of you has said "don't do it". This makes me happy :)
Having a Legion and (with Ralphs advice) having it fitted nicely will only be when I am comfortable with my position in the game and the amount of ISK i am sitting on. Thanks to you guys, it definitely wont be a "oooo shiny, I must have!" buy (as tempting as it is).
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14780
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Posted - 2016.03.15 14:36:57 -
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no worries, and im not dragging my heels i actually just haven't logged in yet
Better the Devil you know.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
579
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Posted - 2016.03.15 14:39:01 -
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THAT'S THE SPIRIT!
gotta love a newbro who's in it for the lolz! EVE is a *game*, play for FUN!
If you see my combat alt kicking around (I'm Australian Time Zone), don't be afraid to hit me up for a convo.
get out there and enjoy yourself mate!
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2016.03.15 14:55:34 -
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Lol there really is no rush Ralph. I'm just happy for the help.
Mephiztopheleze, i'm UK time so we'll probably never meet ingame, but i'll keep an out for you :)
What does newbro mean? Newbie? |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
855
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Posted - 2016.03.15 16:55:17 -
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Yes, but it's a bit nicer than newbie.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2016.03.15 17:03:33 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Yes, but it's a bit nicer than newbie.
Rather that then n00b lol |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.03.15 17:06:36 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Yes, but it's a bit nicer than newbie. Rather that then n00b lol
I prefer 'neophyte' myself
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.03.15 18:33:13 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Yes, but it's a bit nicer than newbie. Rather that then n00b lol
This forum has a n00b who likes to give advice. Ignore him. Bumble and others will respond in a way you will not doubt who it is.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2016.03.15 20:43:49 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Teium Purvanen wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Yes, but it's a bit nicer than newbie. Rather that then n00b lol This forum has a n00b who likes to give advice. Ignore him. Bumble and others will respond in a way you will not doubt who it is.
I actually don't know who you mean, but nevermind |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.03.15 23:14:30 -
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Droidster is the noob , dispute being a much older character than me he's definitely a noob.
Better the Devil you know.
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