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Khirzan Wolfson
The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:07:00 -
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I just wanted to state for the record that KOS is still in this fight despite the lowly chatter we receive from our rivals in 0.0
ITS TIME
oh...and I bet LV is so sure they will win....just as sure as RA was beaten and Cache was safe....eh boys? I'm sure we all remember when that was on the threads..
Despite that....GF and GL to all -Khirzan Wolfson Co-Ceo,The Taining Corp |
Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:08:00 -
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So if RA starts losing is KOS gonna NAP LV to get their stuff out before they die or what
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The Enslaver
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vasili Z So if RA starts losing is KOS gonna NAP LV to get their stuff out before they die or what
That is the basic gist of it, yeah. --------
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Khirzan Wolfson
The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Khirzan Wolfson on 10/02/2007 09:15:36 haha.....LV never followed their word..never had honor. RA & Friends have proven their friend status over and over...say what you want, I fight who ****es me off more. LV is target numero uno harr harr harr harr -Khirzan Wolfson Co-Ceo,The Taining Corp |
Emrod
Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:19:00 -
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I am in a KOs treadh!!!!!!!
LDLQ, the Quebec touch in TCF since 2006 |
Khirzan Wolfson
The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Emrod I am in a KOs treadh!!!!!!!
-Khirzan Wolfson Co-Ceo,The Taining Corp |
Khirzan Wolfson
The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vasili Z So if RA starts losing is KOS gonna NAP LV to get their stuff out before they die or what
oh but.....do u forget what happened when that did...oh yah, LV and V war dec their allies cuz they were ****ed off that they were losing their "meatshields" LV can go sod off....and know your history before you try to belittle something -Khirzan Wolfson Co-Ceo,The Taining Corp |
Emrod
Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Khirzan Wolfson
Originally by: Vasili Z So if RA starts losing is KOS gonna NAP LV to get their stuff out before they die or what
oh but.....do u forget what happened when that did...oh yah, LV and V war dec their allies cuz they were ****ed off that they were losing their "meatshields" LV can go sod off....and know your history before you try to belittle something
stop saying the true...they hate that!
LDLQ, the Quebec touch in TCF since 2006 |
Khirzan Wolfson
The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:29:00 -
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haha i forgot that....LV guys never liked me cuz i speak the truth....someone has to, or the propaganda of the forums might catch ya kk im goin to bed to see what is said while i sleep...i bet it will be all flamey when i get back.... -Khirzan Wolfson Co-Ceo,The Taining Corp |
Jargoon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jargoon on 10/02/2007 09:35:41 KOS is GOS (glomp on sight) to GS
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Victor Merren
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Merren on 10/02/2007 09:41:45 For translation of "glomp": Linkage V.
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Xordus
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Khirzan Wolfson
Originally by: Vasili Z So if RA starts losing is KOS gonna NAP LV to get their stuff out before they die or what
oh but.....do u forget what happened when that did...oh yah, LV and V war dec their allies cuz they were ****ed off that they were losing their "meatshields" LV can go sod off....and know your history before you try to belittle something
Um... Why is it so hard to understand that when you napped the enemy, you were no longer an ally.....
We were there buddy, we are aware of history. LV/V gave you a place to live, you couldn't defend it so you gave it to RAGOON in exchange for safe passage. It was supposed to be a big secret too lol. You didn't wanna **** off the big boys. You guys are a pure comedy.
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Touk
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Khirzan Wolfson I just wanted to state for the record that KOS is still in this fight despite the lowly chatter we receive from our rivals in 0.0
ITS TIME
oh...and I bet LV is so sure they will win....just as sure as RA was beaten and Cache was safe....eh boys? I'm sure we all remember when that was on the threads..
Despite that....GF and GL to all
ive said it before and ill say it again. KOS are the most usless excuse for an alliance to have ever graced the server.
if i accomplish one thing during this war it will be to expose your lot as the backstabbing, *****in bunch of lowlifes you really are. We may be at war with RA but atleast we can respect them and they deserve better allies than you lot.
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HydroSan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.10 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: HydroSan on 10/02/2007 09:52:37
Originally by: Xordus
Originally by: Khirzan Wolfson
Originally by: Vasili Z So if RA starts losing is KOS gonna NAP LV to get their stuff out before they die or what
oh but.....do u forget what happened when that did...oh yah, LV and V war dec their allies cuz they were ****ed off that they were losing their "meatshields" LV can go sod off....and know your history before you try to belittle something
Um... Why is it so hard to understand that when you napped the enemy, you were no longer an ally.....
We were there buddy, we are aware of history. LV/V gave you a place to live, you couldn't defend it so you gave it to RAGOON in exchange for safe passage. It was supposed to be a big secret too lol. You didn't wanna **** off the big boys. You guys are a pure comedy.
When GS were fighting KOS, our spies were telling us that KOS was hoping that LV/-V- would show up and help them out, because they were simply overwhelmed by our numbers. When LV/-V- didn't show up or offer any support at all (I don't remember a single -V- or LV member in KOS space when we were there), they realized they had lost, and NAPed us so they could get their stuff out.
It wasn't KOS's fault. They couldn't deal with the numbers that GS puts into their wars/invasions, and LV/V offered no support. LV/V setting KOS KOS (kill on sight) proved to them that LV/V were worthless, fair weather allies. LV has a long history of letting their allies down: ERA, for example, was left out to dry by LV when ERA needed their help in Cache taking on Red Alliance. Did LV promise them support? Of course. Did they actually do anything? Of course not.
Fighting Veristas Immortalis was the same way. Yes, LV brought out their Titan for the first time and their T2 snipers, but once 1v- was captured by RA, GS and TCF, LV basically never showed up in any significant force until Veristas was driven out to Great Wildlands, and then to 7-K in the drone regions, where GoonSwarm then destroyed their last POS. IIRC, Chowdown even called Veristas "worthless" in some leaked logs, before Veristas had even lost half of Scalding Pass.
The fact is, LV don't seem to care about anyone except themselves, and on top of that, they're arrogant. Is it any wonder why KOS/ex-Veristas people want a piece of them now?
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Touk
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:03:00 -
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yes yes, of course. i mean why would we expect an alliance to be able to defend itself and its space (space that we took for them in the first place) and the whole ERA thing......they were put into cache witht he understanding that it would be thier responsablity to defend it. that was the deal with anyone we put into a region....they must be able to defend it themselves.
But no...KOS couldnt defend themselves from a light rain fall. They 'gave' you lot the stations and the entire region for one simple reason....they cant hack it. i was always under the impression that to live in 0.0 you have to be able to defend yourself against attacks.....maybe i was wrong eh ?!!!!!
FreeHugs |
Saldio Banderas
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Touk i was always under the impression that to live in 0.0 you have to be able to defend yourself against attacks.....maybe i was wrong eh ?!!!!!
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HydroSan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: HydroSan on 10/02/2007 10:20:56 Edited by: HydroSan on 10/02/2007 10:20:10
Originally by: Touk yes yes, of course. i mean why would we expect an alliance to be able to defend itself and its space (space that we took for them in the first place) and the whole ERA thing......they were put into cache witht he understanding that it would be thier responsablity to defend it. that was the deal with anyone we put into a region....they must be able to defend it themselves.
But no...KOS couldnt defend themselves from a light rain fall. They 'gave' you lot the stations and the entire region for one simple reason....they cant hack it. i was always under the impression that to live in 0.0 you have to be able to defend yourself against attacks.....maybe i was wrong eh ?!!!!!
They gave us their space because they were under the impression that being "allied" with Lotka Volterra meant that if they got into a situation they couldn't handle that you'd come and help them out. Being allied with someone means that you help them out. When you guys let them down by offering zero support to them, your supposed "allies", they decided that they had been screwed by you guys, and then NAPed us because they saw it as their only option to survive as an alliance.
-V- couldn't hack it either, I gather? Despite putting absolutely everything they could into it? Yeah, it's kind of hard going up against three alliances all by yourself. KOS learned that as well. At least they've learned from their mistakes - namely, being allied with LV - and now they're supporting RA/TCF/GS/IAC/D2/etc. etc. etc. etc. in our war effort. They're cool dudes, it's a damn shame your alliance had to brush them off as not being able to "hack it."
If LVs arrangement with KOS was that of a non-aggression pact, then you should've called it that instead instead of leading KOS on and then hanging them out to dry when being "allied" with them didn't suit your alliances style/mood/whatever. But I guess that was the point - leading them on, so they could fill space you didn't really want, and so your alliance boast about the mighty "Southern Coalition" on these forums. Oh, I'm sorry, what did ever happen to the "Southern Coalition"? Gone turncoat or disbanded.
A million other players will say this during this upcoming war, but karmas a *****.
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:35:00 -
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I repeat it again. Due to the fact I was in KOS at the start of the whole RA war. After we saw RA spamming POSs like nutz, we ALL (KOS/V/LV/ERA/UCC) agreed to have at least a 50% large dstar POS coverage in our systems to NOT have to fight at ENEMY POSs. KOS didn't do it and invited RA to spam POSs in a 22 moon system and the other 2 systems and NAPPed RA/GOON 2 days after spammage! Once a system is taken by an enemy, you have to start and draw a plan to retake the systems (which is actually pretty hard vs RA according to POSs) and not throw endless capital ships to waste em at the POSs (Yes, we actually learned of C-J and therefore made the above named agreement). But since KOS did give up by the lightest inch of aggression, we set them Kill on Sight because a) They did not fulfil their own approved agreement b) gave up in a blink of an eye time c) We offered them space to rebuild and get ready for our plans but they denied.
Now read and understand (and yes, I still have the ts recordings where we talked about the POS coverage agreement)
Regards
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Menf
Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: HydroSan KOS learned that as well. At least they've learned from their mistakes - namely, being allied with LV - and now they're supporting RA/TCF/GS/IAC/D2/etc. etc. etc. etc. in our war effort. They're cool dudes, it's a damn shame your alliance had to brush them off as not being able to "hack it."
They didnt "learned". They just jumped on the next train as the same they will do if RAGOON&friends going to loose the war. The hidden knife is allready waiting to backstab you as they did before with other guys... _____________________________________________
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Leandra Anor
Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:39:00 -
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Khirzan my friend.... I lub ya but I have to say that KoS caused most of it's own problems. Maybe LV/V could have waited a smidge longer, but the point is that KoS made a nap without advising it's friends that it was a necessary thing, didn't even advise them that there was such an immediate problem, and in fact lied when asked about it! KoS consistently said that things were in place that weren't... and after having fought POS wars for how long? STILL couldn't seem to get the concept of covering all the moons and having at LEAST 1/2 as large deathstars. Demo had been fighting this war long before I came to eve and yet I saw the problem and how to solve it within months of joining KoS. We could have claimed C-J, just needed to get people out to deploy pos's.... but did we have them ready? no.... LV even provided them for us but we couldn't even manage to get people out there in a timely manner. And this was KNOWING that we were fighting to take C-J!! You forget that I was there for some of these conversations.... Many more points I could make here.... but why? when that one so perfectly covers it?
I'm glad I was part of KoS if only for the fact that I learned to love pvp and 0.0 while there (part from people in KoS, part from friends in LV/V/etc), but I'm glad that my corp left when it did....
I'm thankful for the friends that I made in KoS and I'm sorry if any of you disagree with my point of view on this.... but this is how I see it from the convo's / info I was privy to.
______________________________________________ *smile* It makes people wonder what you've been upto!!
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Touk
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:43:00 -
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dont even think about trying to twist my words into something they're not. typical goon, not once did i mention V in my post, i had and still have the upmost respect for most of thier pilots.
Unlike V however, and as has been stated by corn (hey btw) above KOS gave up at the first sign of trouble and dint even do what was expected of them in the first place, auctully secure thier own space, it wasnt our space, it wasnt V's space...it was KOS's.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:57:00 -
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The problem is LV is suposed to be a very very hard alliance to figth. When they had allies they never came to help and RAGoons took down one LV's ally after one without having too much resistance from LV. By the time V was the only lasting ally of importance, LV bring one Titan to help, and a fleet in 1V-. Both were useless. And then they did nothing to help V (and there was many thuings to do). Having some ex-V in KOS is normal. Those need vengeance. But some V came to LV though I guess other motives exist than pure vengeance (loyalty ?).
All LV's nap were betrayed at one time or another, just for the fun. No wonder if your ex-allies plays now against you.
Now Bob's ego comes into play ? Whatever. It's allready hell here. All of us are used to it.
Sir "Tick, tock." Molle said their attack against D¦ was a fake. Yeah bring more bs here mister tock, we are really scared and we feel so much the pain deep inside :D
Sad the pain is for you. -----
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HydroSan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:59:00 -
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Did you roll out even a single fleet to help them when they needed you? Did you attempt at all to help them get their space back despite not following your POS logistics guidelines? No, KOS got silence, and then when they got a few more of their deathstars shut down, they folded. I was there in KOS space for the entire thing, and I saw how Local had not a single LV/V member in it the entire time.
Friends don't let friends fall on their ass without giving them a hand to get back up. KOS hit hard times, either through action, inaction, or the actions of others. And so, the 'alliance' LV and KOS had crumbled because LV refused to help them out... because of a petty "logistics policy"?
I'm sorry, you simply don't do that to allies or friends. If a friend of yours screws up, you don't just abandon them on the side of the road. You just don't do that, I don't care what your "policy" is.
As for the backstabbing comments? KOS have been in many of our ops and they will continue to be invited into our space and into our ops into the distant future and we don't give a damn what you say about them.
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.10 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: c0rn1 I repeat it again. Due to the fact I was in KOS at the start of the whole RA war. After we saw RA spamming POSs like nutz, we ALL (KOS/V/LV/ERA/UCC) agreed to have at least a 50% large dstar POS coverage in our systems to NOT have to fight at ENEMY POSs. KOS didn't do it and invited RA to spam POSs in a 22 moon system and the other 2 systems and NAPPed RA/GOON 2 days after spammage! Once a system is taken by an enemy, you have to start and draw a plan to retake the systems (which is actually pretty hard vs RA according to POSs) and not throw endless capital ships to waste em at the POSs (Yes, we actually learned of C-J and therefore made the above named agreement). But since KOS did give up by the lightest inch of aggression, we set them Kill on Sight because a) They did not fulfil their own approved agreement b) gave up in a blink of an eye time c) We offered them space to rebuild and get ready for our plans but they denied.
Now read and understand (and yes, I still have the ts recordings where we talked about the POS coverage agreement)
Regards
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Touk
Originally by: Khirzan Wolfson I just wanted to state for the record that KOS is still in this fight despite the lowly chatter we receive from our rivals in 0.0
ITS TIME
oh...and I bet LV is so sure they will win....just as sure as RA was beaten and Cache was safe....eh boys? I'm sure we all remember when that was on the threads..
Despite that....GF and GL to all
ive said it before and ill say it again. KOS are the most usless excuse for an alliance to have ever graced the server.
if i accomplish one thing during this war it will be to expose your lot as the backstabbing, *****in bunch of lowlifes you really are. We may be at war with RA but atleast we can respect them and they deserve better allies than you lot.
that comment coming from a shinra member lolz!
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Emrod
Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Emrod on 10/02/2007 11:44:31 Edited by: Emrod on 10/02/2007 11:42:49
Originally by: Saldio Banderas
Originally by: Touk i was always under the impression that to live in 0.0 you have to be able to defend yourself against attacks.....maybe i was wrong eh ?!!!!!
QFTW lol
What the Bob army actually think about this now?
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LDLQ, the Quebec touch in TCF since 2006 |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.10 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 10/02/2007 12:49:41 Edited by: Plutoinum on 10/02/2007 12:45:49
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn By the time V was the only lasting ally of importance, LV bring one Titan to help, and a fleet in 1V-. Both were useless. And then they did nothing to help V (and there was many thuings to do).
Not really. At that point it was too late anyway, because V was broken. It looks like the whole strategy was based on over 50% moon coverage with battle star poses and playing the strontium game well that those poses come out of reinforcement in our prime time.
So it was based on being there at night, when the poses where attacked to adjust strontium and at day to secure the system and recharge poses again. The problem is that it went on over many weeks that people make mistakes, that such a war is no fun, that people leave, wallets are empty etc.
As a consequence, the time, when we had the upperhand, shrinked more and more and in the end with TCF and all those coming too, we really didn't have a primetime anymore, where we had the upperhand. Enemy camps on the way, when you tried to move your BS after defending one system to the next system etc. After losing 1v it was obvious that the rest will fall too, the question was just when, because there were hostile battlestar poses in those systems and like I said we were losing the upperhand in our primetime, so playing the strontium game well was unlikely to work imho. It's doesn't help much, if the poses come out of reinforcement in your primetime and you are heavily outnumbered, especially not since the HP changes.
We were to weak in our primetime, we had no dreadfleet, we had lost 1v and people knew it was just a matter of days or maybe 1 or 2 weeks, until the other systems were lost, too. People were told to move assets out of Scalding Pass, but keep their combat equipment there and keep fighting. But that wasn't really happening. It was totally uncoordinated at that point and most people were just busy moving their stuff out. But it was to late anyway.
The End.
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nickycakes
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.10 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: HydroSan Did you roll out even a single fleet to help them when they needed you? Did you attempt at all to help them get their space back despite not following your POS logistics guidelines? No, KOS got silence, and then when they got a few more of their deathstars shut down, they folded. I was there in KOS space for the entire thing, and I saw how Local had not a single LV/V member in it the entire time.
I think also worth noting, KOS was rarely in numbers of over 3 or 4 in ANY coalition gang to defend ANY space, including their own. They lied about readiness, and honestly I can't remember them ever even requesting help for the incident in question. They just kinda napped with RA and rolled out behind everyone's backs. Then, to try and cover the whole thing up, screamed backstabber when we started shooting them.
Anyhow, we're kinda glad they're red now. Their macro-npcing corps provide us with much entertainment (look up losses by the corp beatlrice on our killboard). These guys lose more ravens than Art Modell.
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.10 14:23:00 -
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Welcome to the party
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Leandra Anor
Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Leandra Anor on 10/02/2007 16:12:03
Originally by: nickycakes
I think also worth noting, KOS was rarely in numbers of over 3 or 4 in ANY coalition gang to defend ANY space, including their own.
Now that I have to disagree with and defend KoS on..... Yes when I first got to KoS that seemed the truth... I think I was one of 5 that were at the 1st c-j.. but after that it was much better in turn outs and typically I would see 20-30 sometimes more. For instance in defending N7- KoS had a gang of roughly 70 at times. Was this always the case? No.... but it WAS fairly typical.
Originally by: nickycakes They lied about readiness, and honestly I can't remember them ever even requesting help for the incident in question. They just kinda napped with RA and rolled out behind everyone's backs. Then, to try and cover the whole thing up, screamed backstabber when we started shooting them.
I would agree with this, since the high ups in LV were surprised when I convo'd them and informed them there was a problem in Q-GQ, and that KoS was falling. They had no idea that there was a need for help and nothing had been posted in the coalition defense channel either. In fact *I* was told about the problem in local by a former KoS member that had joined Snigg!!!
I should mention that at this time I wasn't part of KoS.... by this time my corp had joined coalition friendly Alektoriphobia.
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