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Zothike
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Posted - 2007.02.10 12:03:00 -
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Unless that VERY serious mesure are taken for the CCP+BOB=i greif all other customer" problem (that apparently is not going to happen), i'm of from EVE online (dont ask i know will be 'can i have your stuff' winner) do you know any other mmo that is close to eve but with more 'security' against such problems ?
I'm not sarcastic i'm really asking
dreamlord ? somebody tested it ?
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Thales Archon
Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.10 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike 'can i have your stuff' winner
Can I have your stuff? Do I win?
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Brisi
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 12:10:00 -
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There you go.
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Zothike
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Posted - 2007.02.10 12:14:00 -
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nope sorry Thales
and brisi if you have nothing to write, dont write
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Brisi
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike ...and brisi if you have nothing to write, dont write
Sorry, that's not for you to decide on a public forum.
Fact of the matter is, that you're asking for an MMO where you can be sure that Dev's don't cheat. Would you, honestly, be able to take such a question seriously yourself?
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2007.02.10 12:41:00 -
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Vanguard.
I seriously want to pump for this, but after reading the reviews.. my poor computer i fear won't be able to handle it... so iv'e been put off the idea
My spare cash i would normaly use to upgrade is all earmarked for my upcoming trip to siberia...
Failing that, fun free game atm is voyage century.. iv'e seen shed loads of eve'ers playing that on my server...
Long term, waiting on stargate worlds.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.10 12:42:00 -
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"Security" against such issues?
Most other MMOs have had far worse catastrophes than one dev giving a few cheap items to one guild.
World of Warcraft had a top dev trying to censor the forums to cover up his massive cheating.
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Irrilian
Quetzalcoatl Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.10 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Anyone who quits because someone cheated in EVE to get the equivalent of a few dozen GameTime cards (which are perfectly legal to buy and sell for ISK) is absolutely foolish.
Im a Horizons veteran, Ive seen corruption, abuse and manipulation at its worst as a company flailed about trying to do damage control from crisis to crisis, I will not be part of such a travesty again. Ill fight tooth and claw to try to get CCP do the difficult thing and to address the real issues, but if they wont Ill regretfully walk away. Which is something I really dont want to do because Eve is the most intriguing and interesting mmorpg Ive played so far.
Pirates of the Burning Sea looks to be the most interesting new mmorpg on the horizon, it apparently shouldn't be too long before the open beta starts. - - - PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.10 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Irrilian
Originally by: Dark Shikari Anyone who quits because someone cheated in EVE to get the equivalent of a few dozen GameTime cards (which are perfectly legal to buy and sell for ISK) is absolutely foolish.
Im a Horizons veteran, Ive seen corruption, abuse and manipulation at its worst as a company flailed about trying to do damage control from crisis to crisis, I will not be part of such a travesty again. Ill fight tooth and claw to try to get CCP do the difficult thing and to address the real issues, but if they wont Ill regretfully walk away. Which is something I really dont want to do because Eve is the most intriguing and interesting mmorpg Ive played so far.
Well so far, CCP seems to be facing it.
Imagine if CCP quietly fired t20 and covered up the whole thing, claiming nothing ever happened, and censored every forum thread on the topic?
I know many companies that would do that.
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Zothike
RABBLE-RABBLE
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Posted - 2007.02.10 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Zothike on 10/02/2007 14:15:14 the problem with the recent event have several points 1) there is only one server in eve then we are doomed to have ccp employee playing with customers and it's normal 2) nothing very serious seems to be done by ccp to try to avoid (as much as possible i'm aware of it) such future problem to arise again 3) I was in ASCN and you know the fate we have known, of course without the help of CCP employee we would have prolly lost the war anyway, but since how long BoB have some(s) advantage ? since when they destroyed FA ? perhaps theyre charge all accross East - South/East - South would have not been so fruitfull nor fast, i've lost like thousands of others players a lot of money to BoB and i payed CCP for it ? come on... 4) and mainly : faulty employee were not in FIX or AAA or IRON or whatever alliance they are in BoB that is a griefing alliance that destroy other alliance for the fun of it , want to conquer the whole 0.0 and force ppl who want to have access to 0.0 to crawl and pay them fee and be named 'BoB slave/pets', Honest they would have been in Goonswarm or RA would have been much less a problem for me 5) CCP tryed to hide the whole and only an (seems) uber hacker was able to open (a little) the can of worm, then in future what if we dont get such guy even if i dont agree with his methods ?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.10 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/02/2007 14:41:17
Originally by: Zothike
4) and mainly : faulty employee were not in FIX or AAA or IRON or whatever alliance they are in BoB that is a griefing alliance that destroy other alliance for the fun of it
Wait a minute.
BoB is more of a "griefing alliance" than say AAA, RA, Goonfleet, or any other?
You've got to be kidding me.
CCP didn't "try to hide anything." They didn't know about it because t20 tried to cover it up. Now they do.
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:03:00 -
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I think somebody is a little whiny ASCN member and is sore about losing, seriously, griefing alliance? Get real.
There ain't another MMO out there with the freedom of EVE, so good luck finding one. ------
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Zothike
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:13:00 -
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what is BoB goal ? build an empire ? no they destroy alliance for destroying alliances for the fun of it and put in the conquered territory pets alliances that pay fee to have the right to be there
Goon and RA are some others kind of griefer and cheater and it's true, but they play defending some space not willing to conquer the whole 0.0 to prove something
and Obviously Lucifer Fellblade you follow very well your alliance politicals instructions....
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Irrilian
Quetzalcoatl Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:16:00 -
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With respect, this is perhaps getting a little off topic, you were asking about other mmorpgs. - - - PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike what is BoB goal ? build an empire ? no they destroy alliance for destroying alliances for the fun of it and put in the conquered territory pets alliances that pay fee to have the right to be there
Have you paid attention to what BoB does with their space after they take it?
They fill it with renting alliances and corporations such as Gunboat Diplomacy which pay them for permission to use the space and stations and use its resources the best they can.
In many cases the space is used far more effectively by the "renters" than by those who initially inhabited it.
They are creating a vassal empire. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Zothike
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:29:00 -
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"They are creating a vassal empire." crawl in front of us , nice way to allow customer to fill 0.0 space , and for region effieciency sorry but ascenia is now almost empty and there is near no more market , it's not like that , that ccp will as they say they want , populate 0.0 and push ppl to try 0.0
i appreciate your nice Conversation Dark Shikari , but as you are in FIX you are a little bit judge and party at the same time (as all of us anyway)
and Irillian is btw right :p
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Samirol
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 10/02/2007 15:54:08
Originally by: Zothike "They are creating a vassal empire." crawl in front of us , nice way to allow customer to fill 0.0 space , and for region effieciency sorry but ascenia is now almost empty and there is near no more market , it's not like that , that ccp will as they say they want , populate 0.0 and push ppl to try 0.0
i appreciate your nice Conversation Dark Shikari , but as you are in FIX you are a little bit judge and party at the same time (as all of us anyway)
and Irillian is btw right :p
so let me get this...
You think BoB's plan to rent out conquered regions and help defend them is CCP's way to get people into 0.0? And that bob leadership is only devs that are shaping the game how they want to?
They arent griefers, they destroy their enemies so they can make more money from the tenants they put in place. (They arent pets or slaves, they are paying for their space so i consider them vassals or tenants. Pets get their space for free, and slaves are doing it against their will.)
Also, in a couple months former ASCN space should have a more flourishing market as the inhabitants become more stable.
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Laurelin1420
Gallente Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:55:00 -
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Please stay on topic , if you wish to discuss t20 /Helmar's statement please do so here
Thanks
Forum Rules|CRC Website|Contact Mods I stole your sheep, and traded them for a cookie!- Tirg Oh noes , the evil of Tirg! - Laurelin |
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 19:40:00 -
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Zothike, you are definitely in the right corp... --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!! |
Zothike
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Posted - 2007.02.10 21:46:00 -
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perhaps if i have posted 'I hate chocolate' i would have had more constructive and related answers about others mmo....
i think i will cool down a little and see what happen with all this mess
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.02.10 22:23:00 -
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Check out Huxley and report back to me.
Don't go by the look of the site apparently they have blind people working it...
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Anatolius
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike Unless that VERY serious mesure are taken for the CCP+BOB=i greif all other customer" problem (that apparently is not going to happen), i'm of from EVE online (dont ask i know will be 'can i have your stuff' winner) do you know any other mmo that is close to eve but with more 'security' against such problems ?
I'm not sarcastic i'm really asking
dreamlord ? somebody tested it ?
I know of nothing even remotely close to EVE. Open-ended games with real loss aren't a very popular genre. (Otherwise, EVE'd have World of Borecraft's subscription numbers. )
As for security in other games, you can rule out Sony, Mythic and Blizzard. All have had their scandals and shady dealings. You might try looking for small-time developers, but remember - CCP's a small-time developer.
The sad fact is, you'll never find a game where stuff like this doesn't happen; it's been happening since the earliest days of MUDs, and it will continue. There exist no form of mechanics that can be implemented to prevent it from happening. (Got a guy doing DB work? Cheatability. Even if he can't 'have' a character because he's working for the company. Sign up with the wife's credit card, hey? And keep the hell silent about your player.)
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Irrilian
Quetzalcoatl Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.10 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike perhaps if i have posted 'I hate chocolate' i would have had more constructive and related answers about others mmo....
Originally by: Irrilian Pirates of the Burning Sea looks to be the most interesting new mmorpg on the horizon, it apparently shouldn't be too long before the open beta starts.
I cant really tell you much about it, tbh I havent really followed the development of other mmorpgs since starting to play Eve, though supposedly its not so dissimilar (apart from the setting of course), but with a less hardcore pvp and more meaningful pve. - - - PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery |
Monkey Spankah
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.02.10 23:28:00 -
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Just liek to jump in here, BoB don't aren't a griefing alliance they find the biggest target near them the one they think will put up a great fight and then they attack it and win when they do lose bob will be over, it's incrediably risky what they do. if they were the attack D2 and lose do you think D2 won't conquer all there space? Signature removed, please avoid using images involving relgious symbols like that. -Ivan K |
Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.11 09:59:00 -
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"8 million people can't go wrong" - numerous WoW players asking why I'm playing some 'crappy' MMO nobody's heard of.
Well, 62,040,610 people did go wrong on a Tuesday in 2004. Don't let the opinions of the simple-minded tell you what to do.
If you leave looking for another MMO, you'll probably be back within a year or so wherever you go, but try Vanguard if you have an fairly new computer.
Cheers
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.11 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Imagine if CCP quietly fired t20 and covered up the whole thing, claiming nothing ever happened, and censored every forum thread on the topic?
Although they havn't fired T20 to my knowledge they have covered this up for around the last six month's and have only taken the bpo's away from BOB due to it becomeing public knowledge, and many forum topic's have been censored/deleted with the usual "Dont discuss the moderation11!!11!!one elevendy " bull**** ( i wonder how long this post will stay here before misteriously disapeering?
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Akemi Arihyoshi
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.11 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: solidshot Although they havn't fired T20 to my knowledge they have covered this up for around the last six month's and have only taken the bpo's away from BOB due to it becomeing public knowledge, and many forum topic's have been censored/deleted with the usual "Dont discuss the moderation11!!11!!one elevendy " ******** ( i wonder how long this post will stay here before misteriously disapeering?
Did you ever think thatm maybe CCP only knew about it recently themselves, and not for 6 months? Yes, t20 is a Dev, but it doesnt't mean that all of CCP gave him support or even knew about what he done.
Even before this CCP deleted all posts that contained information on moderation, yet now that there has been this public knowledge about a Dev being in BoB, suddenly all their forum moderation takes on a more sinister edge?
And yes, maybe they did put too muych of a blanket ban on any information on the topic, but hey, we're all only human, and I personally might have done the same thing as a first off reaction, even if it is a bit underhand. they have turned around now and confessed to it....what more do you want? The guys job? Over the sake of a few billion ISK, in a game? Grow up.
Finally, I have no regerets that Kugutsumen got banned, yes he did release damning info on a Dev, but on the other hand he illegally hacked other peoples forums to do so, and got slapped for it. Sucks to be him.
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NereSky
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.11 11:23:00 -
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yeah so is there any other mmorgs out there as a possible replacement for Eve?
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.11 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akemi Arihyoshi
Originally by: solidshot Although they havn't fired T20 to my knowledge they have covered this up for around the last six month's and have only taken the bpo's away from BOB due to it becomeing public knowledge, and many forum topic's have been censored/deleted with the usual "Dont discuss the moderation11!!11!!one elevendy " ******** ( i wonder how long this post will stay here before misteriously disapeering?
Did you ever think thatm maybe CCP only knew about it recently themselves, and not for 6 months? Yes, t20 is a Dev, but it doesnt't mean that all of CCP gave him support or even knew about what he done.
they deleted his chars six month's ago iirc? so they have known for that length of time and buried the info whilst leaving the bpo's with bob
Originally by: Akemi Arihyoshi
Even before this CCP deleted all posts that contained information on moderation, yet now that there has been this public knowledge about a Dev being in BoB, suddenly all their forum moderation takes on a more sinister edge?
Originally by: Akemi Arihyoshi
Finally, I have no regerets that Kugutsumen got banned, yes he did release damning info on a Dev, but on the other hand he illegally hacked other peoples forums to do so, and got slapped for it. Sucks to be him.
He was seemingly banned for useing out of game tactic's just like bob use out of game tactics to invade other alliances TS servers, although there may be legal differences between the two morally they are just as bad as each other and how many bob members have been banned?
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.11 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: NereSky yeah so is there any other mmorgs out there as a possible replacement for Eve?
vanguard is probably amongst the best at the moment although it is still new and going through teething problems
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