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Senthan Sethir
Sethir Trading Company
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Posted - 2016.03.18 15:42:01 -
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Last night I was updating orders, and I use the numeric keypad because it is much faster. The order started with a 3, and I hit the 3 and the enter key at the same time, losing 4 billion ISK because I hit that enter key several digits to early.
I have not disabled any of the market warnings because I know I need all the protection against being an idiot I can get, but it just accepted an order edit that was 99.99% below the market average with no warning. When I screw up and create initial sell orders that are well below the average it warns me. Is there any way to get that same warning for editing orders? |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2016.03.18 16:16:35 -
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remove the enter key from your keyboard |
Cista2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.18 16:56:08 -
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It should certainly warn you. The warnings when editing an order come when the edited figure is 100% above, or 50% below, the market average. Sounds like they have been disabled for you.
For other listeners out there, my best general advise is: while you edit, keep your eye on the color of the "% above /below regional price" thing right next your edited price, it usually switches color just when you hit the number of digits that you want in your price.
And/or keep an eye on the "Total change" that is right below your edited price. That amount should not be a crazy wacko amount, and as opposed to your edited price it always shows the punctuations within the number (999.999.999) *while* you are editing it, which makes it a much better alert.
My channel: "Signatures"
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Recommended: "The Biomass Bar" (for corpse selling)
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.03.18 17:48:19 -
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Don't drink and edit orders
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
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Posted - 2016.03.18 18:08:53 -
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Sometimes the game will tell you nothing... I sold an injector for 0ISK few days ago, I was very lucky it was only one and not a pack of 200 . I try to always look at the numbers, taking breaks help too, don't update orders if you are drunk/stoned/tired |
u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
735
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Posted - 2016.03.18 18:31:55 -
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I sold a PLEX like that once for 233 ISK...Itchy finger on the numpad. No warning, no nothing. I always click "tab" before selling/buying, also check how close I am to the average price as mentioned above.
Also when drunk, don't use numpad at all, I use left part of the keyboard, where enter is far from the digits.
I see it this way - what goes around, comes around - people have sold items for free to me, so your 4 billions will come back..eventually. Just don't make that mistake too often. |
Senthan Sethir
Sethir Trading Company
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Posted - 2016.03.18 18:57:06 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Don't drink and edit orders
The drinking came later.
At first I thought the suggestion to remove the enter key was just sarcasm, but I am starting to think it is a good idea. |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2016.03.18 21:01:05 -
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Over the years I have lost more than 50b this way. The warning RARELY pop up at useful times
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Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
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Posted - 2016.03.19 01:25:53 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:Over the years I have lost more than 50b this way. The warning RARELY pop up at useful times Yup. This month's favorite for me is accidentally grabbing a stack of Injectors instead of Extractors and listing for sale at 2-something million per... not just once...
The warning screen doesn't always work, it seems especially so if you type fast. If you're a left-handed former accountant like me, you can enter numbers at about DDR4 speeds, using the mouse with the left hand and numeric keypad with the right. Not a good skill to have here.
You learn to deal with it. As Bumble says, don't drink and edit...
My latest preventative measures were to cut off my right pinkie so that I couldn't hit the keypad's enter key, and also, as a reasonableness test, implement the practice of making myself pause to read the variance percentage that's indicated in microscopic print on every buy, sell or modify order before placing the order.
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Cista2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.19 06:51:20 -
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Dr Caymus wrote:...the practice of making myself pause to read the variance percentage that's indicated in microscopic print on every buy, sell or modify order before placing the order. That font is created by nano-robots that are typing it by adding one atom at a time.
My channel: "Signatures"
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Recommended: "The Biomass Bar" (for corpse selling)
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Capsups
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.03.19 08:28:53 -
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I always copy+paste the prices that I need to update to, from the other orders. It does mean I always end up 0.01 or 0.10'ing but I'm not too worried about that as it always means I update to the correct prices. |
Tempus Halley
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:39:26 -
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I put my thoughts on the market order subject in the following Post
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5981549#post5981549 |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.03.22 21:16:40 -
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I've learned to pause and actually read everything in the box. Contracts are far more risky, and I give those even more time.
The worst I've done is sell to buy orders, and wonder why my sell orders are not appearing. That taught me. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.25 00:20:25 -
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I always tab out of the field before I press the enter key so I can make sure the comma's are in the right places.
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Regnar Avastum
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Posted - 2016.03.25 01:53:41 -
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Well you can either copy the price from another document or just type it yourself. Using the latter I always found it helpful to hold left click on the "OK" button. Using this method the price formats with digits and thousands separators.
Providing Trade/Manufacture/Research Spreadsheets, 3rd Party Services and operating the EVE FORUM RESELLER
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Lord Ra
Section XII The Southern Querious Drug Cartel
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Posted - 2016.04.08 12:26:53 -
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I usually just count to 3 seperating each, so lets say we are editing an ark market buy order... you know you got the bill then 3 sets of numbers to enter after unless your really gay and do decimals :) always tab into the box so that all the numbers highlight might seem like a dumb way of doing it to you guys but havent made a single mistake other than buying into geckos in 12 years! even when tipsy/drunk you get used to it.
Some people may not know but when you select modify and click/tab into the field to modify the value of your order you can use the up and down arrow keys to adjust the order slightly, pretty hard to bash the enter key early unless your using your feet and pretty handy for 1isking games.
7,999,999,750 >123 123 123 |
Andrew Urbina
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.04.09 05:50:23 -
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Take your time. |
HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2016.04.09 15:46:43 -
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After you've done this a couple of times hopefully the pain will have sunk into your subconscious and you will become more disciplined. I've made many minute modifications to the way I modify/place orders and each one is a filter that prevents clerical errors. For example when I click to modify or sell i click and HOLD the trigger and then actually look at what number I've typed in. If the curser is still in the modify box your eyes may or may not see the decimal. |
sirgath
A New Dawn
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Posted - 2016.04.09 16:11:06 -
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When I was starting out, I lost a third of my capital to one mistake. Even using margin tools you have to be very careful. These are my tips: double check, I'm talking about manually double checking the prices, even, and especially, if you're using a copy paste market tool. Do not trade if you are tired, distracted (looking at you Netflix), or, are not feeling well, and especially not if you've been drinking; these things massively increase the chance that you'll make a mistake. The truth is that, we all make mistakes, it doesn't matter how careful we are, they're going to happen, but, what's important is how you cope with them. Treat mistakes like learning experiences, and growth opportunities, because that's really all they are, and you'll do well. |
Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.04.09 16:37:13 -
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The best tip I can give is never have anything to do with the decimal point.
For instance I would always update an order by 10 or a 100 rather than 1
Updating by one takes me too close to the decimal point and expensive mistakes |
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Abra Ka Dabra
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2016.04.10 20:32:02 -
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Make sure you are the top buy order... then you will just sell to yourself. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.04.11 06:28:42 -
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Cista2 wrote:It should certainly warn you. The warnings when editing an order come when the edited figure is 100% above, or 50% below, the market average. Sounds like they have been disabled for you.
For other listeners out there, my best general advise is: while you edit, keep your eye on the color of the "% above /below regional price" thing right next your edited price, it usually switches color just when you hit the number of digits that you want in your price.
And/or keep an eye on the "Total change" that is right below your edited price. That amount should not be a crazy wacko amount, and as opposed to your edited price it always shows the punctuations within the number (999.999.999) *while* you are editing it, which makes it a much better alert.
The warning behaviour is... odd.
I post a good number of outlier orders that are far outside usual prices (example: I have regionwide buy orders on 1600mm T2 plates at 300k ISK; fair market price is about 8 times that).
There is no discernable pattern as to whether or not I get a warning.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5773
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Posted - 2016.04.11 06:29:43 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I've learned to pause and actually read everything in the box. Contracts are far more risky, and I give those even more time.
The worst I've done is sell to buy orders, and wonder why my sell orders are not appearing. That taught me.
I had a major contract derp recently that fortunately I noticed in time.
I had a bunch of blueprints I wanted moved at a collateral of 400m and a courier fee of 1m. Posted the contract the other way around.
Luckily I realised within a minute, and before anyone else did.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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who1 eva
KEQ Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2016.04.30 02:48:24 -
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Another thing to consider: make sure you trading pilots don't have a lot of extra ISK floating around in their accounts beyond what they actively need. If you have 100B sitting there, you might be able to lose it all in one transaction by accident. Either give excess ISK to other accounts and treat them like a bank or keep your assets in inventory items instead. |
Carsten2285
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.06.12 02:30:14 -
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I also post a fairly large number of outlier orders and that pop-up warning annoys me like you would not believe.
Does anyone know how to shut it off?
I mean, the whole point is to buy low and sell high, right? So why WARN me that I'm buying low or selling high? |
Somal Thunder
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
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Posted - 2016.06.12 17:18:00 -
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Senthan Sethir wrote:Last night I was updating orders, and I use the numeric keypad because it is much faster. The order started with a 3, and I hit the 3 and the enter key at the same time, losing 4 billion ISK because I hit that enter key several digits to early.
I have not disabled any of the market warnings because I know I need all the protection against being an idiot I can get, but it just accepted an order edit that was 99.99% below the market average with no warning. When I screw up and create initial sell orders that are well below the average it warns me. Is there any way to get that same warning for editing orders?
The only advice I can give you is to use a tool that puts the correct price on your clipboard, there was a tool called Elinor that used to do this but sadly it doesn't seem to work for some people. There was another tool called Elinor Reloaded but that doesn't work either. Both of them are open source though, so you can just take the important stuff out and write your own version.
On that note, maybe Evernus has this functionality? There is a thing called "Margin Tool" that does some kind of auto-copying, but I don't know much about it. I really just recommend you find something that works really well for you and most importantly, that you're fast with. If you want to multibox traders or casually update orders while watching TV or whatever, you need to have a foolproof system to protect against screw ups, and good tools are your best friend! |
Cara Nightshade
Under the Gun
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Posted - 2016.07.10 10:29:19 -
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Lost 800 mil to this kind of crap. It should fill top bidders first but nah,it'll fill bottom dollar orders you can't even see. I'd say lets give everyone every possible chance to avoid PvP ranging from timers to NPC corps but they've done it,much to the benefit of their subscription rate.....
I quit PvP to try the only thing left that CCP removed timers from...I should be greatful |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2016.07.10 11:00:01 -
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Cara Nightshade wrote:Lost 800 mil to this kind of crap. It should fill top bidder's orders first but nah,it'll fill bottom dollar orders you can't even see. I'd say lets give everyone every possible chance to avoid PvP ranging from timers to NPC corps but they've done it,much to the benefit of their subscription rate.....
I quit PvP to try the only thing left that CCP removed timers and massively obvious warnings from...I should be groveling at their feet right?
I dare CCP to prove me wrong
This 'crap' is simply you not paying enough attention to what you've typed before hitting the confirm button. The cheapest sell order or the highest buy order in your specified range is always executed first, at the price you typed, but it can be argued the broker should be more helpful. You cannot avoid PVP in this game, merely using the market is PVP because most of the actors involved are other players. I can't remember the name of the presentation, but it was either at EVE Vegas or Fanfest and the CCP developer presenting basically stated those who get blown up during their trial play longer than those who do not, I would expect it's the same for those who join player corps too. |
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