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Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.03.19 11:16:21 -
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Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/
First day flying a freighter. unsubbed.
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StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen. Bad Intention
373
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Posted - 2016.03.19 11:27:28 -
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Sabotaged wrote:Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/ First day flying a freighter. unsubbed.
Dont delete the game just yet. Share your stuff with someone that has the ability to roll with the punches and laugh with those laughing at them. Holeysheet1 will take any donations you are willing to put fourth. He may be fixing his pc or unable to find an exit from his wormhole he was evicted from but trust me. Eventually he will use whatever you can give.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11315
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Posted - 2016.03.19 11:32:58 -
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Frankly, that Charon being wiped out was a mercy for the whole New Eden cluster given the amount of rubbish it was carrying. What a shame
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation A Few Brave Men
159
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Posted - 2016.03.19 11:39:14 -
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Sorry about your freighter. This is part of the game though and happens all the time. You can petition the loss if you think the game crashed on you. Might get the freighter back. If you did just accidentally press ALT + F4 like lot of people do when they are about to loose shiney, you should know your ship remains where it is ad long as it has aggression timer or it can't warp off.
And no. Instead of sendining stuff to Holey, donate to EVE UNI before you go. Every cent goes into helping newbros. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11316
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Posted - 2016.03.19 11:47:09 -
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Ro Fenrios wrote: If you did just accidentally press ALT + F4 like lot of people do
Freighters have no midslot modules that can be activated
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2016.03.19 11:47:25 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Frankly, that Charon being wiped out was a mercy for the whole New Eden cluster given the amount of rubbish it was carrying. What a shame
Indeed. Illegal ore and mining equipment aside (but duly noted), there appeared to be a quantity of material normally associated with ratting/looting activity.
To the OP; a tantrum and a sulk, however delivered, remain a tantrum and a sulk. |
Jacques d'Orleans
2707
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Posted - 2016.03.19 11:58:21 -
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Sabotaged wrote:Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/ First day flying a freighter. unsubbed.
You flew your Charon thru Uedama, when at that time already some hundred ships have been ganked. Seriously? Your webber was popped too, i assume You would have been popped anyways with our without your game crash! That's as sure as there comes Sunday after Saturday! When there is a huge red circle around Uedama in your map, don't go there.
Btw, next time buy a permit, it's just 10M and you'll survive.
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
55
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:12:23 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:Sabotaged wrote:Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/ First day flying a freighter. unsubbed. Dont delete the game just yet. Share your stuff with someone that has the ability to roll with the punches and laugh with those laughing at them. Holeysheet1 will take any donations you are willing to put fourth. He may be fixing his pc or unable to find an exit from his wormhole he was evicted from but trust me. Eventually he will use whatever you can give.
My intention isn't to quit. But I think it warrants further discussion. Eve is a Harsh Mistress. I lost a 2 billion navy raven in hisec during a wardec because wardec corp used an alt to scan me down. They warped in and grabbed before I could figure out was going on. It was an expensive lesson.
Basically I've learned is don't fly anything bigger than a cruiser, maybe battlecruiser, anything bigger and you will lose it. The way I see it, the billion loss is 25 to 50 hours of work gone in pretty much an instant because game mechanics are designed that way.
As far as I'm concerned a Macherial should not be able to push you 100km off the gate when your at the keyboard being unable to align to anything. Coupled with Socket errors and Launcher problems only exacerbate the issue. A game shouldn't make you angry. It's not like playing The Division or Destiny, but this game is stressful.
Trying to expand and become bigger seems to be futile. Better to just train a single ship mastery to five rather than jack of all trades seems to be the play style. |
Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
55
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:14:57 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Sabotaged wrote:Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/ First day flying a freighter. unsubbed. You flew your Charon thru Uedama, when at that time already some hundred ships have been ganked. Seriously? Your webber was popped too, i assumeYou would have been popped anyways with our without your game crash! That's as sure as there comes Sunday after Saturday! When there is a huge red circle around Uedama in your map, don't go there. Btw, next time buy a permit, it's just 10M and you'll survive.
Oh I just won't bother buying another freighter. I'll extract the JF skills and put them toward something else. It's pointless. I've played this game for 2 years. It's not like doing a haven 14.3 au from a stargate. There is always some exploit or edge play or some mistake that's costly. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11318
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:18:25 -
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One would've thought that, even if you'd only been playing for two years, you would at least be tangentially aware of the existence of CODE and their bumping ways, right? I mean, surely that crap you were carrying could have been more effectively transported with a courier contract, don't you think?
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
55
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:21:28 -
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Bumblefck wrote:One would've thought that, even if you'd only been playing for two years, you would at least be tangentially aware of the existence of CODE and their bumping ways, right? I mean, surely that crap you were carrying could have been more effectively transported with a courier contract, don't you think?
It was a courier contract to myself. Was consolidating items in various stations to be sold in Amarr. It was my first day flying in a freighter. My understanding was don't AFK and come at 15km at the gate. The fact that you can be killed at the gate itself is a 1 billion isk lesson or in my case, 25-50 hours of work.
Freightering is pointless. If I do station hauling from jita to amarr, I lose all my profit in taxes. If I accept public courier contracts, they want 1 billion isk collateral for 3 million isk reward and to have a 1.4 billion ship. I heard jump freightering is very profitable, but that requires a 7 billion isk investment which I dont even come close to. Whats the point? |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11318
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:25:54 -
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I meant setting it up as a public courier contract for others to fulfill. Much less stress, and generally less expensive than a billion ISK loss. While not being AFK generally helps a great deal, it is by no means the only saving grace.
Which brings us to the most important question of all - if you were aware of CODE and the necessity of not being AFK and bot-aspirancy, why did you not buy a permit?
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
55
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:27:23 -
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Bumblefck wrote:I meant setting it up as a public courier contract for others to fulfill. Much less stress, and generally less expensive than a billion ISK loss. While not being AFK generally helps a great deal, it is by no means the only saving grace.
Which brings us to the most important question of all - if you were aware of CODE and the necessity of not being AFK and bot-aspirancy, why did you not buy a permit?
There seems to be some confusion, I only know CODE as an alliance listed on DOTLAN. I have not played the game in 3 years. I don't know what this permit is you speak of. I wasn't AFK, I had a webber as well. They asked me to pay them 300 million which I did not have and was certain they would kill me anyway. scam. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5732
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:32:58 -
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Flying a freighter through Uedama when you are solo is as dumb as ratting in the top belt of Tama in a carrier.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Jacques d'Orleans
2707
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:35:29 -
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Sabotaged wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Sabotaged wrote:Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/ First day flying a freighter. unsubbed. You flew your Charon thru Uedama, when at that time already some hundred ships have been ganked. Seriously? Your webber was popped too, i assumeYou would have been popped anyways with our without your game crash! That's as sure as there comes Sunday after Saturday! When there is a huge red circle around Uedama in your map, don't go there. Btw, next time buy a permit, it's just 10M and you'll survive. Oh I just won't bother buying another freighter. I'll extract the JF skills and put them toward something else. It's pointless. I've played this game for 2 years. It's not like doing a haven 14.3 au from a stargate. There is always some exploit or edge play or some mistake that's costly. I don't even know what red circle your talking about.
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
55
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:35:39 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Flying a freighter through Uedama when you are solo is as dumb as ratting in the top belt of Tama in a carrier.
This game punishes you harshly for ignorance. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11318
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:41:21 -
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Indeed.
You're obviously aware of the See and Pee subforum - even a cursory glance through the first couple of pages would've clued you onto the existence of the permit scheme and the innumerable ganks thereof. But at least you are now forearmed with the knowledge of your future safety!
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Jacques d'Orleans
2708
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Posted - 2016.03.19 12:57:50 -
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Sabotaged wrote:Bumblefck wrote:I meant setting it up as a public courier contract for others to fulfill. Much less stress, and generally less expensive than a billion ISK loss. While not being AFK generally helps a great deal, it is by no means the only saving grace.
Which brings us to the most important question of all - if you were aware of CODE and the necessity of not being AFK and bot-aspirancy, why did you not buy a permit? There seems to be some confusion, I only know CODE as an alliance listed on DOTLAN. I have not played the game in 3 years. I don't know what this permit is you speak of. I wasn't AFK, I had a webber as well. They asked me to pay them 300 million which I did not have and was certain they would kill me anyway. scam.
Then you made some major mistakes, the following is not putting insult to injury, it's just a bit advice. 1. Before undocking check your route on the map. 2. If there are any red circled systems on your route, then check the sytem via zkillboard or check them with Dotlan and look what Coprs are in for the kill. That gives you a good idea who they are and what they do for a living. Put them on your contact list! 3.It looks like you didn't follow the most important rule "Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose", given by your comment " They asked me to pay them 300 million which I did not have...". Follow this rule! Always! 4. Alternatively use Courier contracts for the stuff you want to get hauled. Pay their freight rate and sleep better. 5. If hauling yourself then buy a permit, it's just 10M Isk and valid for a year. A real bargain if you ask me.
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
56
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Posted - 2016.03.19 13:40:31 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Sabotaged wrote:Bumblefck wrote:I meant setting it up as a public courier contract for others to fulfill. Much less stress, and generally less expensive than a billion ISK loss. While not being AFK generally helps a great deal, it is by no means the only saving grace.
Which brings us to the most important question of all - if you were aware of CODE and the necessity of not being AFK and bot-aspirancy, why did you not buy a permit? There seems to be some confusion, I only know CODE as an alliance listed on DOTLAN. I have not played the game in 3 years. I don't know what this permit is you speak of. I wasn't AFK, I had a webber as well. They asked me to pay them 300 million which I did not have and was certain they would kill me anyway. scam. Then you made some major mistakes, the following is not putting insult to injury, it's just a bit advice. 1. Before undocking check your route on the map. 2. If there are any red circled systems on your route, then check the sytem via zkillboard or check them with Dotlan and look what Coprs are in for the kill. That gives you a good idea who they are and what they do for a living. Put them on your contact list! 3.It looks like you didn't follow the most important rule "Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose", given by your comment " They asked me to pay them 300 million which I did not have...". Follow this rule! Always! 4. Alternatively use Courier contracts for the stuff you want to get hauled. Pay their freight rate and sleep better. 5. If hauling yourself then buy a permit, it's just 10M Isk and valid for a year. A real bargain if you ask me.
I appreciate your post. Though I won't be flying freighters anymore, it seems the learning curve continues to be excessive in my personal opinion.
A Macherial should not be allowed to hold you hostage indefinitely without absolutely no risk whatsoever to said Macherial. To me this is the very definition of exploit.. This may very well be sanctioned by CCP and within the rules of the game. I can find another game.
I think there's a larger issue here, is a game should be enjoyable, not make you upset because the rules are not so clear. We recently lost a Rattlesnake in corp because he wasn't watching local and intel channels properly and got hot dropped on, now he cant do sites. He is a new guy. The theme of this game appears to be learning it is costly. I feel the reward does not outweigh the risk.
What are my options? Shield incursions in high sec, nice isk but highly repetitive. Roamin PVP is highly enjoyable. I fall asleep during hot drops because waiting 2 hours in a pos for someone to locate a target is boring. Faction Warfare was entertaining but being insta blapped at gates and stations by loki's or tornados is irritating. Ratting is repetitive and you always have to be vigilant. Missions are probably least risk and Mining in Osmon, 2 hours and someone will suicide gank you in a catalyst. Hauling and Hauling trading appears to be pointless. JF? Lucrative if you but requires a 7 bil investment. Station trading? why bother undocking? Other than fleet pvp in frigates and cruisers, everything else is either repetitive or the risk doesn't equal the reward. Exploration? Need skills, WH data sites are very inconsitent, and when I found one manticore showed up and blew me away. Nullsec data sites? bunch of reds ended up in system, warped to pos, can instapopped my new fitted ship 40 mil boom.
I feel like this game is very restrictive, encourages questionable mechanics and punishes you harshly for making mistakes.
Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose, I agree, but this goes back to reward vs risk right? Expecting to fly a freighter beyond a single day is apparently an unacceptable amount of risk for absolutely no reward. Then I see buy orders for 60 plex's in jita and just think to myself, WTF. |
Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
56
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Posted - 2016.03.19 14:02:49 -
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GM Karidor wrote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis. |
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2016.03.19 14:50:02 -
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Sabotaged wrote:GM Karidor wrote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.
Hi sabotaged,
This clarification was specifically published in response to wails from miners who believed our repetitively nudging their barges to be unfair.
That you were apparently prevented from moving to a different location of your choice is more a testament to our creativity and your need to up your game than to any failing on the part of CCP.
You'll get over it, hopefully; pick yourself up, dust yourself off and have another go at it, bearing in mind the good advice you've been given in this thread.
Best of luck!
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Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
56
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Posted - 2016.03.19 15:18:06 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Sabotaged wrote:GM Karidor wrote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis. Hi sabotaged, This clarification was specifically published in response to wails from miners who believed our repetitively nudging their barges to be unfair. That you were apparently prevented from moving to a different location of your choice is more a testament to our creativity and your need to up your game than to any failing on the part of CCP. You'll get over it, hopefully; pick yourself up, dust yourself off and have another go at it, bearing in mind the good advice you've been given in this thread. Best of luck!
The Macherial risked nothing effectively serving the purpose of a warp scram without any kind of aggression I consider game breaking. Being held hostage on a hisec gate preventing from warping off when the loss this big coupled with network and launcher issues is enough for me to stop playing. Game shouldn't be this intense when you don't know what the rules are. |
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2016.03.19 18:31:56 -
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POST WITH YOUR MAIN |
Valkin Mordirc
1998
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Posted - 2016.03.19 18:42:52 -
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Solyaris seems to have a lot whine going on these days.
You wouldn't be from Texas would you?
#DeleteTheWeak
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2016.03.19 19:25:11 -
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Sabotaged wrote:Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Sabotaged wrote:GM Karidor wrote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis. Hi sabotaged, This clarification was specifically published in response to wails from miners who believed our repetitively nudging their barges to be unfair. That you were apparently prevented from moving to a different location of your choice is more a testament to our creativity and your need to up your game than to any failing on the part of CCP. You'll get over it, hopefully; pick yourself up, dust yourself off and have another go at it, bearing in mind the good advice you've been given in this thread. Best of luck! The Macherial risked nothing effectively serving the purpose of a warp scram for 5-10 minutes without any kind of aggression I consider game breaking. Being held hostage on a hisec gate preventing from warping off when the loss this big coupled with network and launcher issues is enough for me to stop playing. Game shouldn't be this intense when you don't know what the rules are. Until CCP has an official stance rather than playing fast and loose "judging case by case" on holding people hostage without repercussion, I wont resub. I just started playing about a month ago after 3 years and lost a freighter the first day I fly it. No thanks. If the Macherial scrammed and killed me and got CONCORDED then we wouldn't be having this discussion and I'd move on. Or if we were in Null. It feels like every time I find out what the rules are it costs a billion. And they happen in Hisec.
I understand. As you wish. But why not redirect that butthurt into growth? Join the gankers and have some fun, or even join Mr Ozzie Udan, AG Butterfly of the Month.
It's up to you.
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Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
56
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Posted - 2016.03.19 20:25:39 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Sabotaged wrote:Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Sabotaged wrote:GM Karidor wrote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis. Hi sabotaged, This clarification was specifically published in response to wails from miners who believed our repetitively nudging their barges to be unfair. That you were apparently prevented from moving to a different location of your choice is more a testament to our creativity and your need to up your game than to any failing on the part of CCP. You'll get over it, hopefully; pick yourself up, dust yourself off and have another go at it, bearing in mind the good advice you've been given in this thread. Best of luck! The Macherial risked nothing effectively serving the purpose of a warp scram for 5-10 minutes without any kind of aggression I consider game breaking. Being held hostage on a hisec gate preventing from warping off when the loss this big coupled with network and launcher issues is enough for me to stop playing. Game shouldn't be this intense when you don't know what the rules are. Until CCP has an official stance rather than playing fast and loose "judging case by case" on holding people hostage without repercussion, I wont resub. I just started playing about a month ago after 3 years and lost a freighter the first day I fly it. No thanks. If the Macherial scrammed and killed me and got CONCORDED then we wouldn't be having this discussion and I'd move on. Or if we were in Null. It feels like every time I find out what the rules are it costs a billion. And they happen in Hisec. I understand. As you wish. But why not redirect that butthurt into growth? Join the gankers and have some fun, or even join Mr Ozzie Udan, AG Butterfly of the Month. It's up to you.
My intention ultimatly was to give away free stuff to my streamers.
Don't stream without a delay or someone will stream snipe you. Is it just me or do you only learn this game through loss?
You think you have an understanding of how to play this game but clearly I don't. Most of my experience revolves around null sec and there anything goes. Rules are made by you and your corp/alliance. We know what to expect. But hisec is a freaking scary place.
I understand that If I'm attacked and lose my ship, CONCORD will kill you too, so okay that makes sense. You have to have an equivalent ship right. wrong. ganking favors the gankers. Learn that everytime my miner got suicide ganked. I'm not against miner bumping, I say if your afk your open game go head. The assumption is a noob isn't going to fly a hulk and experience a 200 mil loss being ignorant of the mining hazards. Except I question my understanding of this game so the assumption may be wrong.
First day freighter pilot with no experience doing it. I always read that as long as you don't AFK you'll be fine travelling in hisec. Freighters are tanky. SAFE! This is clearly incorrect. I thought they warp in front of you when you land in the system, and when you land at the out gate at 15km they bump you off and then blap you. Thats pretty clear to me except this is clearly not what I experienced.
This is the first time I've ever come across hearing a Macherial holding someone hostage on the warp in gate itself. Even the forum posts arent clear on this. The Eve University Hauling guide doesn't cover this either which I don't know about the rest of you, but it's were I atleast get a lot of my info from. It apparently does not cover things like how to check routes with the map.
I'm seeing posts of people saying to use a webbing alt you'll be fine, this is totally wrong, I had a webbing alt, it doesn't matter. Other people will confirm this. once your taken hostage and a Macherial bumps you on gate, there is no escape regardless of a webbing alt. You will die.
That kind of leads me to an underlying issue with this game. People don't seem to have a clear understanding of it either. There's a lot misinformation or at the least, partial information. What I learned in this thread, was amazing I had absolutely no idea. These suggestions have given me much more insight and are appreciated. I just wish it didn't cost a billion every time I learn how the game works.
In this instance it's much more than just losing a billion the first day as a freighter pilot, its learning that a Macherial with no consequence or risk can prevent you from playing this game in high security space. It is not clear, it should be called high security space with loopholes and hostage bumping.
Does someone teach you guys this stuff or is there infact an "instruction manual" on how to play this game somewhere? The problem is I dont know what questions to ask, or is the only way to learn how to play is to lose? And here I thought Dota 2 was complicated to learn. |
Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
56
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Posted - 2016.03.19 21:57:32 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TniQNojOTjQ
Same except he was lucky to be against catalysts and not brutix's. He also had 2 hours to call for help. Again, according to the person on comms, webber alt does not matter, a lot of people seem to believe it does.
He said they messed up the gank. Other than trying to logoff and calling for help, you are guaranteed to die. This game mechanic has been there for some time so I don't appear CCP to say anything.
Even though it says how to save your freighter ship it is actually misleading because the guy clearly states, you cannot and the Macherial can bump you indefinitly unless they mess it up. This video is just a retelling. |
Mobadder Thworst
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
948
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Posted - 2016.03.19 22:04:41 -
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Sabotaged wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Sabotaged wrote:Bumblefck wrote:I meant setting it up as a public courier contract for others to fulfill. Much less stress, and generally less expensive than a billion ISK loss. While not being AFK generally helps a great deal, it is by no means the only saving grace.
Which brings us to the most important question of all - if you were aware of CODE and the necessity of not being AFK and bot-aspirancy, why did you not buy a permit? There seems to be some confusion, I only know CODE as an alliance listed on DOTLAN. I have not played the game in 3 years. I don't know what this permit is you speak of. I wasn't AFK, I had a webber as well. They asked me to pay them 300 million which I did not have and was certain they would kill me anyway. scam. Then you made some major mistakes, the following is not putting insult to injury, it's just a bit advice. 1. Before undocking check your route on the map. 2. If there are any red circled systems on your route, then check the sytem via zkillboard or check them with Dotlan and look what Coprs are in for the kill. That gives you a good idea who they are and what they do for a living. Put them on your contact list! 3.It looks like you didn't follow the most important rule "Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose", given by your comment " They asked me to pay them 300 million which I did not have...". Follow this rule! Always! 4. Alternatively use Courier contracts for the stuff you want to get hauled. Pay their freight rate and sleep better. 5. If hauling yourself then buy a permit, it's just 10M Isk and valid for a year. A real bargain if you ask me. I appreciate your post. Though I won't be flying freighters anymore, it seems the learning curve continues to be excessive in my personal opinion. A Macherial should not be allowed to hold you hostage indefinitely without absolutely no risk whatsoever to said Macherial. To me this is the very definition of exploit.. This may very well be sanctioned by CCP and within the rules of the game. I can find another game. I think there's a larger issue here, is a game should be enjoyable, not make you upset because the rules are not so clear. We recently lost a Rattlesnake in corp because he wasn't watching local and intel channels properly and got hot dropped on, now he cant do sites. He is a new guy. The theme of this game appears to be learning it is costly. I feel the reward does not outweigh the risk. What are my options? Shield incursions in high sec, nice isk but highly repetitive. Roamin PVP is highly enjoyable. I fall asleep during hot drops because waiting 2 hours in a pos for someone to locate a target is boring. Faction Warfare was entertaining but being insta blapped at gates and stations by loki's or tornados is irritating. Ratting is repetitive and you always have to be vigilant. Missions are probably least risk and Mining in Osmon, 2 hours and someone will suicide gank you in a catalyst. Hauling and Hauling trading appears to be pointless. JF? Lucrative if you but requires a 7 bil investment. Station trading? why bother undocking? Other than fleet pvp in frigates and cruisers, everything else is either repetitive or the risk doesn't equal the reward. Exploration? Need skills, WH data sites are very inconsitent, and when I found one manticore showed up and blew me away. Nullsec data sites? bunch of reds ended up in system, warped to pos, can instapopped my new fitted ship 40 mil boom. I feel like this game is very restrictive, encourages questionable mechanics and punishes you harshly for making mistakes. Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose, I agree, but this goes back to reward vs risk right? Expecting to fly a freighter beyond a single day is apparently an unacceptable amount of risk for absolutely no reward. Then I see buy orders for 60 plex's in jita and just think to myself, WTF.
This brutal learning curve is why Eve is special.
Eve has no compelling storyline. The NPC mobs aren't even arguably dangerous. It is, quite simply, a box of sand.
When you log into Eve, you are paying to enter a sandbox with the current occupants. Some are nice. Some are sociopaths. They are creating the storyline, goals, risks, etc... It is a microcosm of our alter egos.
They are not controllable but they can be beaten. However, they are not amateurs and you are unlikely to beat them first try (whether it be in freightering, market, or pew).
It's brutal. I still shake after I fight and I've been pvp for years. I've lost a lot over those years, but I've won a bit too.
That's what you have to look forward to in this game. If it's not for you, we understand. We have all rage logged at some point because we lost more than we wanted to.
I think I've quit the game at least half a dozen times.
It's still the only game I know that creates a level of immersion that makes you want to throw-up for two hours after a bad loss. I've also been unable to sleep for hours after a good win. That's what we pay for.
I agree code and the current MERC structure are unbalanced, but that is the outcome of the Retribution patch in 2012...
I hated the retribution patch.
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Sabotaged
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Mobadder Thworst wrote: This brutal learning curve is why Eve is special.
Eve has no compelling storyline. The NPC mobs aren't even arguably dangerous. It is, quite simply, a box of sand.
When you log into Eve, you are paying to enter a sandbox with the current occupants. Some are nice. Some are sociopaths. They are creating the storyline, goals, risks, etc... It is a microcosm of our alter egos.
They are not controllable but they can be beaten. However, they are not amateurs and you are unlikely to beat them first try (whether it be in freightering, market, or pew).
It's brutal. I still shake after I fight and I've been pvp for years. I've lost a lot over those years, but I've won a bit too.
That's what you have to look forward to in this game. If it's not for you, we understand. We have all rage logged at some point because we lost more than we wanted to.
I think I've quit the game at least half a dozen times.
It's still the only game I know that creates a level of immersion that makes you want to throw-up for two hours after a bad loss. I've also been unable to sleep for hours after a good win. That's what we pay for.
I agree code and the current MERC structure are unbalanced, but that is the outcome of the Retribution patch in 2012...
I hated the retribution patch.
Yes, a lot of people appear to be confused how the game actually works, there are a lot of myths floating around. Honestly the solution is rather simple. Either correct High Security space or just remove it all together and leave a few rookie systems. A lot of my aggravation stems from not understanding how high security works after 2 years later because of game mechanics are not clear. edge plays, loop holes and sanctioned exploits. I'm starting to think CCP wants to keep the concept of hisec lines blurred. |
Ozzie Udan
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Sabotaged wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Flying a freighter through Uedama when you are solo is as dumb as ratting in the top belt of Tama in a carrier. This game punishes you harshly for ignorance.
You're right what you about this game, but it can also reward in equal amount, you say you have had loses in your corp to, try and learn from this, and remember there are people fighting these gankers when they can and sometimes we win.
If you need any tips on corp security and setups, plenty of people here can help, you can always ask here about offers of help if you don't know people, HoleySheet1 was even offering his services for free a short time ago, the guy can be a right pain sometimes but he's a very skilled player by all accounts
Any way good luck with EvE and fly safe
A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
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