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Zamiel en Distel
The Intaki Synod
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Posted - 2016.03.19 18:16:05 -
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I've just started participating in Gallente FW. I'm seeing that the frigate most preferred is the Federation Navy Comet. Is there any specific reason for this? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2929
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Posted - 2016.03.19 19:25:55 -
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It's F'ING AWESOME!!! And affordable. Run one offensive plex and turn in the LP for a Fed Navy Comet.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Oreb Wing
Arm of Coryphaeus
155
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Posted - 2016.03.19 21:00:29 -
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It's as versatile as a Tristan, faster, has higher dps, and an extra low. And it's cheap if you're Galmil. It's like having a chicken coop and eating enchiladas every day after you throw eggs at your enemies.
There is no grey area when the light of reason directs wisdom.
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Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
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Posted - 2016.03.20 01:44:01 -
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Proliferation of losses of the popular 150mm Rail Gun version of the vessel, piloted mainly by poorly skilled Gallente Militia pilots, has resulted in it being fondly given the moniker of "Poo Chariot" by low sec residents in the Kurala constellation of Black Rise.
Don't be the next Poo in the Chariot!
Seriously, it's a good frigate and you could do far worse. Oreb's comments are spot on even if his food analogy is a little worrying. Blaster fit has great DPS. Rail fit has nice DPS and good projection. It's fast and doesn't rely 100% on cap to apply some damage.
You could say the Poo Chariot was broken if you didn't know better.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
600
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Posted - 2016.03.20 03:11:14 -
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because it's a damn fine ship that's easy to get into and is very, very cheap compared to other frigates of the same caliber?
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1816
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Posted - 2016.03.20 03:36:49 -
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Silverbackyererse wrote:Proliferation of losses of the popular 150mm Rail Gun version of the vessel, piloted mainly by poorly skilled Gallente Militia pilots, has resulted in it being fondly given the moniker of "Poo Chariot" by low sec residents in the Kurala constellation of Black Rise.
Please keep this kind of posting to intergalactic summit. |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
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Posted - 2016.03.20 11:08:11 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Silverbackyererse wrote:Proliferation of losses of the popular 150mm Rail Gun version of the vessel, piloted mainly by poorly skilled Gallente Militia pilots, has resulted in it being fondly given the moniker of "Poo Chariot" by low sec residents in the Kurala constellation of Black Rise.
Please keep this kind of posting to intergalactic summit.
We don't want that sort of posts in our Intergalactic Summit either, so you keep them.
Also, can't go wrong with the Police Issue Navy Comet. Woop, woop! |
Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
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Posted - 2016.03.20 21:57:31 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Silverbackyererse wrote:Proliferation of losses of the popular 150mm Rail Gun version of the vessel, piloted mainly by poorly skilled Gallente Militia pilots, has resulted in it being fondly given the moniker of "Poo Chariot" by low sec residents in the Kurala constellation of Black Rise.
Please keep this kind of posting to intergalactic summit. We don't want that sort of posts in our Intergalactic Summit either, so you keep them. Also, can't go wrong with the Police Issue Navy Comet. Poop, Poop!
FTFY
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pushdogg
relocation LLC.
108
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Posted - 2016.03.21 00:17:47 -
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It is the ship that all others are checked against. When I fit a frig, I think to myself "can I beat a comet in this", and adjust accordingly.
It's that good. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
789
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Posted - 2016.03.21 20:32:27 -
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pushdogg wrote:It is the ship that all others are checked against. When I fit a frig, I think to myself "can I beat a comet in this", and adjust accordingly.
It's that good.
This is actually, sadly true. In most cases my benchmark hypothetical opponent is the ancillary hull tanked rail comet, and the answer is usually no.
The comet is also eminently engageable - people will try to fight you in T1 frigates often enough and almost always in other navy hulls when in reality a properly fit and flown comet is more dangerous than several of the AF'S and pirate hulls and by far the best navy hull.
It has a great tank, and it's fast. Add to that the ability to effectively project damage at every range with a scram kite variant and the versatility to surprise opponents with blaster or MWD kite variants. I'd fight a dramiel, cruor or any other navy hull before a comet.
People still aren't as afraid of it as they should be. |
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Kethen T'val
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:32:55 -
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380 DPS + full tackle + fast + ok tank |
Oreb Wing
Arm of Coryphaeus
156
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Posted - 2016.03.22 00:30:31 -
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Kethen T'val wrote:380 DPS + full tackle + fast + ok tank
380 brained with two 5% DPS implants, stacked with voided polarized turrets, then Overheat ALL the THINGS1!!
Let's see the fit |
Oreb Wing
Arm of Coryphaeus
156
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Posted - 2016.03.22 00:31:46 -
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Let's not get people so scared they nerf a good ship. Even an Incursus can hit 245dps with Neutrons with navy am and just two mag stabs. |
Oreb Wing
Arm of Coryphaeus
156
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Posted - 2016.03.22 01:06:32 -
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With that kind of fitting even an Incursus can seem scary. 437dps [Incursus, OVERHEAT] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Adaptive Nano Plating II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Polarized Light Neutron Blaster, Void S Polarized Light Neutron Blaster, Void S Polarized Light Neutron Blaster, Void S
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I [empty rig slot] Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hobgoblin II x1
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Oreb Wing
Arm of Coryphaeus
156
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Posted - 2016.03.22 01:23:04 -
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Was an old fit fixed up a little. That adaptive shouldn't be there with the polarized. Down to 415dps, but still stupid high numbers with unrealistic range application ammo. This is actually pretty ****ing scary still, though, imo.
[Incursus, OVERHEAT] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste 200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Polarized Light Neutron Blaster, Void S Polarized Light Neutron Blaster, Void S Polarized Light Neutron Blaster, Void S
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Hobgoblin II x1
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Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
206
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Posted - 2016.03.22 04:54:02 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:Let's not get people so scared they nerf a good ship. Even an Incursus can hit 245dps with Neutrons with navy am and just two mag stabs.
The Poo Chariot is defo o/p. Nerf the Poo Chariot!! |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
609
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Posted - 2016.03.22 06:12:23 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:a properly fit and flown comet is more dangerous than several of the AF'S and pirate hulls and by far the best navy hull.
I love flying dual-prop Dramiels myself and I've learned the expensive way that Comets are a very tough fight, along with Dual Web Hookbills.
Then again, perhaps I should stop trying to solo in a ship fit for fleet tackle.....
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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Oreb Wing
Arm of Coryphaeus
156
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Posted - 2016.03.22 06:37:41 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:a properly fit and flown comet is more dangerous than several of the AF'S and pirate hulls and by far the best navy hull. I love flying dual-prop Dramiels myself and I've learned the expensive way that Comets are a very tough fight, along with Dual Web Hookbills. Then again, perhaps I should stop trying to solo in a ship fit for fleet tackle.....
I don't know too many things that can dual prop as well as a Dramiel. Another great ship, solo or not. |
Zamiel en Distel
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.22 19:25:35 -
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Thanks so much for the replies! I'm new to Faction Warfare and I'm just trying to get started. Currently waiting to join Aideron Robotics, I see their fittings don't list the comet. I've actually bought the Intaki Syndicate skin for it. :) |
Abannan
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2016.03.23 11:51:02 -
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Zamiel en Distel wrote:Thanks so much for the replies! I'm new to Faction Warfare and I'm just trying to get started. Currently waiting to join Aideron Robotics, I see their fittings don't list the comet. I've actually bought the Intaki Syndicate skin for it. :)
You poor soul |
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Shelom Severasse
The Blueprint Co.
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Posted - 2016.03.23 20:24:29 -
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Gallente Circle Jerk: ENGAGED
slicer > comet. |
Kethen T'val
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.03.24 08:15:54 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:Kethen T'val wrote:380 DPS + full tackle + fast + ok tank 380 brained with two 5% DPS implants, stacked with voided polarized turrets, then Overheat ALL the THINGS1!! Let's see the fit
No implants, No polarized. Ofc Void cause tracking bonus.
But when you are not overheating a Comet like that from the get go, you are doing something wrong. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
790
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Posted - 2016.03.27 07:44:53 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:a properly fit and flown comet is more dangerous than several of the AF'S and pirate hulls and by far the best navy hull. I love flying dual-prop Dramiels myself and I've learned the expensive way that Comets are a very tough fight, along with Dual Web Hookbills. Then again, perhaps I should stop trying to solo in a ship fit for fleet tackle.....
Eating scram kiters with dual web comet is one of my favorite hobbies. The dead space fit dramiel gleefully burns into engagement range expecting an easy win due to perfect range dictation....15 seconds later I'm off to station with my new blue mods.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
790
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Posted - 2016.03.27 07:48:43 -
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Shelom Severasse wrote:Gallente Circle Jerk: ENGAGED
slicer > comet.
Slicer is terrible at plex warfare due to its previously mentioned utter lack of versatility.
Comet can hit 416 DPS with heat, 10% implants, dual mag stab + T2 aerator and perfect blasters. WITHOUT going polarized and nuking your tank. Same fit can reach 285 with 150mm rails and augmented hobs, that's 285 out to the edge of scram range with tracking bonused guns and drones. |
Oreb Wing
Arm of Coryphaeus
162
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Posted - 2016.03.27 13:07:34 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Shelom Severasse wrote:Gallente Circle Jerk: ENGAGED
slicer > comet. Slicer is terrible at plex warfare due to its previously mentioned utter lack of versatility. Comet can hit 416 DPS with heat, 10% implants, dual mag stab + T2 aerator and perfect blasters. WITHOUT going polarized and nuking your tank. Same fit can reach 285 with 150mm rails and augmented hobs, that's 285 out to the edge of scram range with tracking bonused guns and drones.
Send Santo my regards! o7 |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2931
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Posted - 2016.03.27 15:26:40 -
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Not buying "Comet is OP"
Autocannon Firetail can fit up 2x webs + scram for range control. Can apply damage when neuted. Arty firetail seems every bit as dangerous as rail comet - and can control range against comet due to baseline speed.
Rocket Hookbill can fit up 3x webs + scram for range control. Hits to 15km and can apply damage when neuted.
Slicer can't control range, but it can fit up a 13.8k EHP tank and hit out to 17km with pulse. Two of these in tandem can control range.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Oreb Wing
Arm of Coryphaeus
162
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Posted - 2016.03.27 16:01:14 -
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Ye. Though blasters will show the highest dps, I think people are easy to forget how close you have be. Even if the Comet can do void with that tracking bonus, you still have to be within 3200m for it, all of it falloff. A kiting Slicer is often using Pulse because Scorch has amazing range. All the navy frigs are in a good place at the moment, imo. Confusing Paper numbers and application in actual practice is the reason we end up with the Svipul and Confessor having 10% dmg role bonuses. |
Kethen T'val
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2016.03.28 21:31:54 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:Ye. Though blasters will show the highest dps, I think people are easy to forget how close you have be. Even if the Comet can do void with that tracking bonus, you still have to be within 3200m for it, all of it falloff. A kiting Slicer is often using Pulse because Scorch has amazing range. All the navy frigs are in a good place at the moment, imo. Confusing Paper numbers and application in actual practice is the reason we end up with the Svipul and Confessor having 10% dmg role bonuses.
Sometimes. Often, when it comes to the Comet. Paper DPS is actual DPS |
Oreb Wing
Arm of Coryphaeus
162
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:08:42 -
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Kethen T'val wrote:
Sometimes. Often, when it comes to the Comet. Paper DPS is actual DPS
The Comet definitely has the tracking, the speed, but if you don't know how to fly none of that is going to land. If you're good, yes, you can make it happen every time. Often I consistently out-dps higher dps ships because I'm there first, my positioning is solid, even if my dps is meager in comparison in something smaller. There are so many factors, but being good and effective is not a reason to cry OP! You have so many things to handle in a Comet that the probability of errors rise and each mistake severely reduces advantages that might have been assumed. This is easy to capitalize as an FC just by creating distance prior to an engagement. Comet does well because people don't bring the appropriate ewar and everyone is thinking along the same lane: highest dps. This is why the TD condor is such a great ship for solo pilots, but with such low dps you really have to do groupings or have links. Some of the best pirates don't fly far from home because they do counter fits and they are ridiculously good at it, or lazy about moving their links far. You RvB guys might be complacent with implants by your rules on no podding, but down here everything is game. Billion Isk Links die and pods get lost; you pay for the advantages to effectiveness. |
Ashlar Vellum
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
234
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:25:31 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Not buying "Comet is OP"
Autocannon Firetail can fit up 2x webs + scram for range control. Can apply damage when neuted. Arty firetail seems every bit as dangerous as rail comet - and can control range against comet due to baseline speed.
Rocket Hookbill can fit up 3x webs + scram for range control. Hits to 15km and can apply damage when neuted.
Slicer can't control range, but it can fit up a 13.8k EHP tank and hit out to 17km with pulse. Two of these in tandem can control range.
Final Comment: Links and remote reps work great for shield and armor tanking. They do nothing for hull tanking. There is basically no drawback on hull rigs when fitted on frigs. |
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