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Aquiileia
Zempafy
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Posted - 2016.03.20 03:17:05 -
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In the few months I've been back in New Eden I've been victim to and witnessed some pretty painful situations. New Eden is a hard, unforgiving place where only the strong prosper while the rest struggle in angst.
Recently, I've been hitting combat sites and was ninja'ed 3 times in a row, which, though expected, is still upsetting.
I just came across a site where someone was down to the last 3 mobs of the site while I was on TheDamned, and while the pilot was concerned if I was planning to kill steal, I left. After being kill stolen multiple times just before, I honestly considered it, and realized, I wouldn't let the game change who I am. Not even in a virtual world.
He then sent me a thankful email explaining that he too does the same thing.
Pilots of New Eden, I make a humble suggestion.
There are and always will be those with whom morality finds itself lost on them, but I know New Eden could be a more decent place to prosper with just a little common decency.
I propose anyone who reads this thread, do something positive and selfless for another pilot in New Eden, even if only once, should the burn of decency cause scars. :)
Those who have received such an act, post your story here and pay it forward to another. I would love to see just how long it's possible for this thread to become.
Gate camping? Give someone a pass. You'll become a hero! Scamming a newbie? Give their money back with a warning and a lesson. You'll be respected.
Whatever you normally do in New Eden that isn't decent, honest or nice, try the opposite and let them know to Pay It Forward and post their story on this thread.
Is it possible for this thread to reach 10 pages? 25? 100?
Thanks for reading and considering.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.20 03:28:32 -
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Funny thing about morality is its often used as a yardstick to beat others with.
Even in RL there is no one single correct morality and New Eden is far from RL. |
Aquiileia
Zempafy
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Posted - 2016.03.20 03:35:34 -
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Well, not everyone has it in them to be more than they are. *shrug*
I will say, instant Karma just paid me a visit as the pilot I left earlier just came into another system, asked if I was doing the site and proceeded to help me wipe everything while leaving me the final boss. Just because.
That is the point. While you may not get instant gratification at the expense of others, you can earn a friend and unasked favors later. And, contrary to the beliefs of some, your actions in EVE or any other game are easily a reflection of who you are in the real world. Don't kid yourself.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.20 04:13:12 -
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Aquiileia wrote:And, contrary to the beliefs of some, your actions in EVE or any other game are easily a reflection of who you are in the real world. Don't kid yourself. Correct.
Anyone that cheats the rules, RMTs or otherwise breaks the EULA is making some questionable choices, since they already agreed when they signed up for the game, not to do that.
Anyone playing within the rules? They are just playing a game and your morals are not somehow superior because you play differently to them. You are both playing the way the game allows and encourages.
No judgement on anyone as superior or inferior as a person in that situation. |
Aquiileia
Zempafy
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Posted - 2016.03.20 04:23:05 -
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So, by your compass, cheating on a girlfriend or boyfriend is ok, because it isn't illegal?
Hmm, glad we dont know eachother in RL. I could give you endless examples of how flawed your views are on morality and decency. My thread however, isnt about judging others, but to inspire them to do something outside the norm that may benefit someone else for nothing in return.
For some reason, that struck a chord in you...
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2016.03.20 04:27:04 -
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Aquiileia wrote:So, by your compass, cheating on a girlfriend or boyfriend is ok, because it isn't illegal?
Hmm, glad we dont know eachother in RL. I could give you endless examples of how flawed your views are on morality and decency. My thread however, isnt about judging others, but to inspire them to do something outside the norm that may benefit someone else for nothing in return.
For some reason, that struck a chord in you...
Really, what are my views on morality other than, in a game where everyone is playing in the rules, no one style of play is superior to any other.
Where did I say cheating is ok in RL? and what are the other endless examples of how flawed my views are?
The awesome reason for your thread aside, so far it has very much been about judging others. |
Aquiileia
Zempafy
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Posted - 2016.03.20 04:30:11 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Aquiileia wrote:So, by your compass, cheating on a girlfriend or boyfriend is ok, because it isn't illegal?
Hmm, glad we dont know eachother in RL. I could give you endless examples of how flawed your views are on morality and decency. My thread however, isnt about judging others, but to inspire them to do something outside the norm that may benefit someone else for nothing in return.
For some reason, that struck a chord in you...
Really, what are my views on morality other than, in a game where everyone is playing in the rules, no one style of play is superior to any other. Where did I say cheating is ok in RL? and what are the other endless examples of how flawed my views are? The awesome reason for your thread aside, so far it has very much been about judging others.
Very true. The threads direction was oddly hijacked a bit.
I'll just leave this alone. I'm sure if you read what you said, and my responses, you'll understand my point. According to you, playing within the rules means, anything goes based on your personal preferences, regardless of the effect on others. That's not good. Morality isn't synonymous with legal...
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2016.03.20 04:35:41 -
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Aquiileia wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Aquiileia wrote:So, by your compass, cheating on a girlfriend or boyfriend is ok, because it isn't illegal?
Hmm, glad we dont know eachother in RL. I could give you endless examples of how flawed your views are on morality and decency. My thread however, isnt about judging others, but to inspire them to do something outside the norm that may benefit someone else for nothing in return.
For some reason, that struck a chord in you...
Really, what are my views on morality other than, in a game where everyone is playing in the rules, no one style of play is superior to any other. Where did I say cheating is ok in RL? and what are the other endless examples of how flawed my views are? The awesome reason for your thread aside, so far it has very much been about judging others. Very true. The threads direction was oddly hijacked a bit. I'll just leave this alone. I'm sure if you read what you said, and my responses, you'll understand my point. According to you, playing within the rules means, anything goes based on your personal preferences, regardless of the effect on others. That's not good. Morality isn't synonymous with legal... You hijacked your own thread. You could have easily just included the positive message and left it at that, without claiming morality is lost on some people, that some people don't have it within themselves to be decent because of how they play s game, or that you can personally list examples of how my own beliefs in morality and decency are flawed.
Like I said in my original reply, funny how morals are often used just to bash other people. |
Aquiileia
Zempafy
17
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Posted - 2016.03.20 04:48:06 -
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As I said.. "lost" on some.
Be well.
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
168
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Posted - 2016.03.20 10:03:18 -
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Doesn't have the same ring as "killing it forward" though.
EVE is designed to be harsh, unforgiving and cold. And being good, selfless and helpful despite of it is commendable. But if everyone was a new age hippie, EVE would be dull as bricks, so... |
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
48
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Posted - 2016.03.20 10:22:37 -
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It could have one decent people. There could be less scamming and stealing. But then where is the fun? |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
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Posted - 2016.03.20 10:40:32 -
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In swarmed the moral relativists whose limited experience revolves around movies they saw, or the nervous in the service confines of a narrow set of orders while confined to quarters. "There is no morality, unless we make it up ourselves."
In Do The Right Thing, Radio Raheem showed a set of brass knucks. One said "LOVE". One said "HATE," and it struck me. It's a sentence. Love hate. Or, hate love. But, not matter how you phrased it, it was negative. This of course put me in mind of the math - a positive + a negative = a negative.
Love hate. Hate love. Those are reactions. Positives are only reached by agreement, at least with regard to our own human behavior. |
Dani Gallar
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.20 11:02:38 -
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I think this thread could have been interesting if it hadn-Št been for the follow up morality posts of the OP.
There is a reason why it can be good for any new player who looses a ship in PvP-combat to send a friendly mail (or initiate a convo) with the perpetrator and ask how they killed them ... what the newbie did wrong in the situation and so on.
Now granted some perps won-Št answer or even gloat at their victim but I believe most of them actually care enough to give some pointers since they should know how daunting it can be for a new player to loose ships. Now I know that EVE is a very different game compared to others when it comes to how you should value your ships but for a new player that does take a while to adjust to. |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1276
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Posted - 2016.03.20 11:06:51 -
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I travel under a black flag and let fury be my guide. People can roleplay when they are comfortable, but under any pressure they revert to type. This is why i will encourage my kids to play EvE when they hit their teens because of the relatively painless way it can teach you real lessons about trust and risk. I've been described as helpful and friendly, yet i shoot nerds and even the odd blue, am i a bad person?
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26045
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Posted - 2016.03.20 11:23:07 -
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Dani Gallar wrote:There is a reason why it can be good for any new player who looses a ship in PvP-combat to send a friendly mail (or initiate a convo) with the perpetrator and ask how they killed them ... what the newbie did wrong in the situation and so on.
Now granted some perps won-Št answer or even gloat at their victim but I believe most of them actually care enough to give some pointers since they should know how daunting it can be for a new player to loose ships. Good advice right there, a willingness to learn from your mistakes and to seek out answers tends to go down well in Eve.
As for the OP and the "lessons" about morality, moral standards differ between cultures, because they are influenced by the culture that gives rise to them.
Morality is not absolute, nor is it objective. What some consider to be moral I may consider to be immoral.
I'll quite happily shoot people in the face online, I certainly wouldn't do it the real world.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11334
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Posted - 2016.03.20 12:40:19 -
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Aquiileia wrote:Well, not everyone has it in them to be more than they are. *shrug*
This thread is so eye-wateringly pretentious it's unbelievable, but this quote is a piece of cod-superhero narrative par excellence.
e: The cluster presumably always needs more White Knights though, so good luck with this thread :)
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2016.03.20 12:45:44 -
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ive donated over 300 usd to a player so he could make vids of dust with a ps3 (google my name)
ive also scammed over 40bil from a single player. whom undoubtable paid for his isk with plex.
universe in balance? |
Aquiileia
Zempafy
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Posted - 2016.03.20 15:46:46 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:I travel under a black flag and let fury be my guide. People can roleplay when they are comfortable, but under any pressure they revert to type. This is why i will encourage my kids to play EvE when they hit their teens because of the relatively painless way it can teach you real lessons about trust and risk. I've been described as helpful and friendly, yet i shoot nerds and even the odd blue, am i a bad person?
I like this post actually. Very true.
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Aquiileia
Zempafy
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Posted - 2016.03.20 15:51:14 -
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Guys/Gals, the whole point of this thread is to see how long it could get from recent positive stories of pilots paying it forward.
It was sidetracked, but look, I gank in low and WH. Well, I have, once. It was fun!
I've also made good friends with someone that ganked me. hah
I understand the nature of EVE and accept and appreciate it. I felt I was being challenged a bit so I expressed my personal beliefs.
Nothing more.
Lets have some fun with this and see what can be accomplished instead of making excuses for why you wont bother. I mean, really?
It's just a way to try and have a surprising and brighter week in New Eden.
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
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Posted - 2016.03.20 16:07:51 -
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But why? What is the whole purpose of this? Other than to make yourself a target of the people you think are terrible human beings.
Good things do happen in this game. Do we really need a thread of feel good stories to get warm fuzziness though? |
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Aquiileia
Zempafy
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Posted - 2016.03.20 16:13:27 -
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Cien Banchiere wrote:But why? What is the whole purpose of this? Other than to make yourself a target of the people you think are terrible human beings.
Good things do happen in this game. Do we really need a thread of feel good stories to get warm fuzziness though?
Yes! Why not?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14817
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Posted - 2016.03.20 18:19:26 -
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I do love the idea that new Eden is predominately populated with one dymensional baddies twiddling our mustachios whilst tying the damsels to the fromt of bump macarials.
Lots of us do plenty good here but don't publicly speak or brag about it, plenty of good done for its own sake.
I'll mention this as its no longer a thing but Feyds "kill it forward" initiative saw countless newbies and vets alike introduced to pvp, In the case of newbies (speaking personally here now) they would frequently see themselves showered with advice , pointers and links to the various resources we use to make our lives easier. Some even found themselves with a net profit to replace their loss.
Better the Devil you know.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.03.20 18:47:45 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I do love the idea that new Eden is predominately populated with one dymensional baddies twiddling our mustachios whilst tying the damsels to the fromt of bump macarials.
You're talking about Bumblefck aren't you?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Lulu Lunette
ThinkTank Phoenix TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
321
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:50:41 -
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It's nice to be nice. Plenty of bad guys already in this cluster.
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Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan
60
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Posted - 2016.03.21 05:06:01 -
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Darth Terona wrote:ive donated over 300 usd to a player so he could make vids of dust with a ps3 (google my name)
ive also scammed over 40bil from a single player. whom probably paid for his isk with plex.
universe in balance?
ive cut several people loose in a solo engagement where I clearly have the upper hand. ive ganked helpless miners and not given it two thoughts.
ive given away free ships. ive stolen ships.
I forged alliances and broke others.
there is no good without evil.. no evil without good. no dark without light yada yada yada. you, good sir, are a true Chaotic Neutral |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
217
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Posted - 2016.03.21 07:17:10 -
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that's the idea :) |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1063
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Posted - 2016.03.21 07:38:43 -
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When I do things in Eve I ask myself this one question:
Am I going to be justifying myself to others once I do X?
If the answer is 'Yes', then I won't be doing it.
This work both ways. One, I will not be doing some really reprehensive things that will result in many people to raise drama and me having to explain myself. Two, I will shoot people and straight up not justifying squat.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Wanda Fayne
157
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Posted - 2016.03.21 08:17:14 -
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I have replaced some ships I killed. Conscience is a *****... Like me |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2393
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Posted - 2016.03.21 14:02:03 -
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Aquiileia wrote:I propose anyone who reads this thread, do something positive and selfless for another pilot in New Eden, even if only once, should the burn of decency cause scars. :)
Those who have received such an act, post your story here and pay it forward to another. I would love to see just how long it's possible for this thread to become. I totally agree with your post and as someone who tries to improve the community and help people on a daily basis I can only support your proposal.
Obviously I will participate in it: If you are a law abiding citizens of New Eden I will double every ISK you send to me and send that amount back to you! Make sure to write "Azuiileia community improvement" as the reason of the transaction.
I think if we all just work together we can make New Eden a better place!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Aurelius Oshidashi
Immortal Lunatics Ministry of Agressive Destruction
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Posted - 2016.03.21 20:40:32 -
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The main driver for me to play Eve is derived from all the bad people in New Eden. I get satisfaction from fighting and plotting against pilots and corps who choose to kill others without being provoked. So my definition of 'bad' is pretty traditional. If you're acting like the former Nazi army and killing for your own good regardless of anything, you're bad. Now this is a game and I am perfectly fine with anybody playing it like they want, but this is how I like to see things in game. Not saying the way I see iris how it should be seen. I just enjoy approaching it like this and thank God there are many who act 'immoral', cause otherwise the game would be boring.
Suicide gankers are pretty much the al Qaida and ISIS of Eve. |
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