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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
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Posted - 2016.04.04 03:19:52 -
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Not something I haven't said to her in the past. Anyways you obviously feel wronged, Bosborgor VI m7 republic security services. Your the one with the grievance, not I... |
Omega Jovakko
Mighty 8th Industries
205
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Posted - 2016.04.04 03:28:52 -
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It's dangerous to go alone, Take this for luck!
"that's just blatant Anti-Caldari Propaganda, this Janitor must be arrested at once!"
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1012
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Posted - 2016.04.04 03:32:36 -
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heh, nice! |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
725
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Posted - 2016.04.04 04:05:37 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:
What fact did I object to?
Vero, for Maker's sake. At least try to READ what the topic is about before posting next time, okay? Or it is like from an old joke, where brutor claims: "I am a writer, not a reader!"
So, you're saying you can't prove I objected to any question of fact at issue in this topic? This entire topic has been an exercise in you mincing words over the definition of the word "alleged," not any issue of fact.
Please clarify. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2540
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Posted - 2016.04.04 04:39:42 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Not something I haven't said to her in the past. Anyways you obviously feel wronged, Bosborgor VI m7 republic security services. Your the one with the grievance, not I... Vess. How many times should you repeat to minmatar for they finally to understand it? I do NOT feel wronged. I do not FEEL wronged. I do not feel WRONGED.
Will it work now, or I need to stamp your nose and cheek into NeoCom screen, wiping it with your head so you could finally read it?!
And if your translator fails at it, just go learn Napanii already! All business people in the cluster speak Napanii.
Besides, it was YOU crawling into the thread to lie about ME, and you dare to claim that it was ME with grievance, not you?! Sweet Maker.
You minmatars truly have *censored* in your heads instead of brains.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Omega Jovakko
Mighty 8th Industries
205
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Posted - 2016.04.04 04:44:34 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Not something I haven't said to her in the past. Anyways you obviously feel wronged, Bosborgor VI m7 republic security services. Your the one with the grievance, not I... Vess. How many times should you repeat to minmatar for they finally to understand it? I do NOT feel wronged. I do not FEEL wronged. I do not feel WRONGED. Will it work now, or I need to stamp your nose and cheek into NeoCom screen, wiping it with your head so you could finally read it?! And if your translator fails at it, just go learn Napanii already! All business people in the cluster speak Napanii. Besides, it was YOU crawling into the thread to lie about ME, and you dare to claim that it was ME with grievance, not you?! Sweet Maker. You minmatars truly have *censored* in your heads instead of brains.
I have no idea why it just clicked, but i think she's trolling you commander. I think she's trying to get a rise out of you because she finds it entertaining.
"that's just blatant Anti-Caldari Propaganda, this Janitor must be arrested at once!"
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
725
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Posted - 2016.04.04 05:12:41 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
Besides, it was YOU crawling into the thread to lie about ME, and you dare to claim that it was ME with grievance, not you?! Sweet Maker.
If she did lie about you, that would be the literal definition of a grievance. Unless you actually don't care about people telling lies, contrary to your numerous previous claims to care about lies.
griev-+ance -ê+ír-ôv+Öns/ noun a real or imagined wrong or other cause for complaint or protest, especially unfair treatment. "failure to redress genuine grievances" synonyms:injustice, wrong, injury, ill, unfairness; More an official statement of a complaint over something believed to be wrong or unfair. "three pilots have filed grievances against the company" a feeling of resentment over something believed to be wrong or unfair. "he was nursing a grievance" synonyms:complaint, criticism, objection, grumble, grouse; More
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
726
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Posted - 2016.04.04 05:27:43 -
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By the way, since you dodged the question and refused to name the fact you claim I objected to, I will correct the record.
In this post I stated the following:
Rinai Vero wrote:Great, we have once again proven that Caldari POWs exist.
I never objected to that fact, merely asked that you provide the proof you claimed to possess.
You accused me of objecting to facts, clearly I did not do this. Therefore, unless you retract your false statement I will be forced to save this link and post it over and over again in every unrelated topic that you call Makoto Priano a liar in. |
Omega Jovakko
Mighty 8th Industries
205
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Posted - 2016.04.04 05:40:27 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:By the way, since you dodged the question and refused to name the fact you claim I objected to, I will correct the record. In this post I stated the following: Rinai Vero wrote:Great, we have once again proven that Caldari POWs exist. I never objected to that fact, merely asked that you provide the proof you claimed to possess. You accused me of objecting to facts, clearly I did not do this. Therefore, unless you retract your false statement I will be forced to save this link and post it over and over again in every unrelated topic that you call Makoto Priano a liar in.
So, now that my joking is done and over with, I do have a legitimate question. Since we have all PRETTY much agreed that these POW's exist, and it's no secret that POW's exist on the Caldari side as well, is there any way we can work out an arrangement to have them exchanged? We've spent so much time arguing on multiple fronts that this whole thing has pretty much been avoided.
I mean I know i'm probably the last person you want negotiating on the side of the caldari, but this has been my goal since this started. I can have a shipping fleet out in the next 72 hours to pick them up if needed. I'd like to actually speak with someone about this matter before Commander Kim decides this won't go anywhere and follows through with a thorough bombing run of every facility in space.
"that's just blatant Anti-Caldari Propaganda, this Janitor must be arrested at once!"
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
727
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Posted - 2016.04.04 05:47:30 -
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GMVA has had a longstanding policy of offering prisoner exchange with State Protectorate forces.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
727
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Posted - 2016.04.04 05:49:38 -
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Also, I understand that a number of relief agencies have offered rehabilitation and reintegration services. Disciples of Ston and Aurora Arcology come to mind. If their operations are still running, I'm sure they would appreciate your help. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2540
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Posted - 2016.04.04 09:42:27 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
This is funny, Vero, since it was you, who was objecting well known fact publically, not me.
What fact did I object to? Hmm, I was thinking about different fact, but I guess I confused you with someone else. Regardless, caught you on this lie:
Rinai Vero wrote: Kim is apparently too stupid
Right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6409303#post6409303
-- Besides that, lets see with what you've came in. The post was about another gallentean rejecting a well known fact, but you've came to argue with these. 1st post. Demand to post in public footage that I've offered to that gallentean, and that is obviously containing inappropriate for public graphic material. 2nd post. You continue asking for the named footage, again to be linked in public. 3rd post. Now doubting number of PoWs disregarding I never made any claims about the number itself, and even claiming it is not thousand (where there are easily verifiable facts their numbers are thousands or greater). 4th post. And now even daring to say that the whole issue is just a grammatical form. 5th post. Wow, Vero. This is completely ridiculous, now you put in Amarr slaves out of nothing. Or, just to troll and divert discussion? Though, maybe it's Vess' fault, still your reply was obvious deviation.
Now... speaking again about objecting well know facts, here goes one more example
Rinai Vero wrote: You always move the goal posts.
From here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6413102#post6413102 And really, I don't know, maybe I did move goal post somewhere, I definitely don't do it always.
And finally, I think most funny and stupid your stunt was though when I was talking about democracy and freedom, and you claimed I added freedom one more time... That's sick. You have nothing more to argue about?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
728
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Posted - 2016.04.04 14:32:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: Vero's 'observation' was a trivial trolling attempt. She has tried to claim I've lost credibility when I was pointing out on easily verifiable facts (about Caldari POWs in Black Rise). She can't defend against it and tried to turn conversation to blame me. Where in fact it was Vero who lost her credibility, trying to fight against the reality.
First, this post in the other topic clearly states which fact you previously claimed I objected to.
Diana Kim wrote:
Hmm, I was thinking about different fact, but I guess I confused you with someone else.
In other words, you made a false accusation, which you have now admitted. As you have demanded in the past from others, I request you retract that statement and issue an apology. Or does your honor not require the same behavior of you that you expect of others?
Rinai Vero wrote: Kim is apparently too stupid
You're selectively editing my statement in order to remove the full context. That's a lie by omission. My full statement was that you were apparently too stupid "to see the actual flaw in James' logic." By adding the qualifier "apparently" I made the statement "too stupid" contingent on the criteria "to see the actual flaw in James' logic." You still have yet to point out this crucial flaw, and you also refused to ask nicely (or at all) when I offered to point this flaw out.
Anyway, I did not state your stupidity as fact. It is merely my opinion that you're not smart.
Moving on.
Diana Kim wrote:Rinai Vero wrote: You always move the goal posts.
From here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6413102#post6413102 And really, I don't know, maybe I did move goal post somewhere, I definitely don't do it always. And finally, I think most funny and stupid your stunt was though when I was talking about democracy and freedom, and you claimed I added freedom one more time... That's sick. You have nothing more to argue about?
Again, you are misstating what I have said. It is very clear that my reference to moving the goal posts was about you adding "chaos" to your previous claim that love of freedom and democracy universally causes cruelty. I explicitly stated this, and your leaving it out is a lie of omission.
What's hilarious is that you're defending yourself against an accusation of always moving goal posts by moving the goal posts on which facts you want to accuse me of objecting to.
By your own statements it is clear you were referencing Caldari POWs. I have proven that I did not object to, and in fact explicitly acknowledged the existence of Caldari POWs. Now you are moving the goal posts trying to come up with other supposed "facts" that I've "objected" to.
Now, are you going to retract your false accusation? Or prove yourself to be person without honor who makes false accusations? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5978
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Posted - 2016.04.04 18:32:27 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Also, I understand that a number of relief agencies have offered rehabilitation and reintegration services. Disciples of Ston and Aurora Arcology come to mind. If their operations are still running, I'm sure they would appreciate your help.
I can promise, on behalf of Aurora, that Caldari POWs would receive the finest care before repatriation.
I can't promise I won't have first dibs on recruiting them, of course.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Maguelone Sarpati
Hematology Advancement Program I N G L O R I O U S
12
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Posted - 2016.04.04 19:09:48 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I can promise, on behalf of Aurora, that Caldari POWs would receive the finest care before repatriation.
Thus it is shown that we can arrive at reasonable solutions to difficult problems. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2540
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Posted - 2016.04.04 21:26:32 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:First, this post in the other topic clearly states which fact you previously claimed I objected to. Sorry, confused you with someone else.
Rinai Vero wrote: In other words, you made a false accusation, which you have now admitted. As you have demanded in the past from others, I request you retract that statement and issue an apology. Or does your honor not require the same behavior of you that you expect of others?
You are right. Excuse me, I'll remove the statement and replace it with the correct one.
Rinai Vero wrote: Again, you are misstating what I have said. It is very clear that my reference to moving the goal posts was about you adding "chaos" to your previous claim that love of freedom and democracy universally causes cruelty. I explicitly stated this, and your leaving it out is a lie of omission.
Again, Vero. If it was the claim that love of chaos and democracy universally causes cruelty, how I can add chaos to it if it already contains chaos? To make it sound like chaos and democracy and chaos once again?..
Rinai Vero wrote: By your own statements it is clear you were referencing Caldari POWs. I have proven that I did not object to, and in fact explicitly acknowledged the existence of Caldari POWs. Now you are moving the goal posts trying to come up with other supposed "facts" that I've "objected" to.
That discussion was neither about you, nor for you. It was YOU who joined it and was trying to shift the goal of discussion to different direction. And you was telling I was "moving" goals. Really?
Rinai Vero wrote: Now, are you going to retract your false accusation? Or prove yourself to be person without honor who makes false accusations?
Yes, I will. Excuse me, it was my mistake.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
The Scope Gallente Federation
1685
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Posted - 2016.04.04 23:27:12 -
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I see the crap is still flying in here....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Omega Jovakko
Mighty 8th Industries
223
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Posted - 2016.04.04 23:59:03 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:I see the crap is still flying in here....
I've all but completely pulled out, I'm waiting to see where it gets resolved.
"that's just blatant Anti-Caldari Propaganda, this Janitor must be arrested at once!"
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1239
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Posted - 2016.04.05 00:56:38 -
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Omega Jovakko wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I see the crap is still flying in here.... I've all but completely pulled out, I'm waiting to see where it gets resolved. It is too bad her GÇÿstatusGÇÖ prevents me from turning this over to my Solicitor.
Suing Ms. Kim for defamation would be great fun!
The deposition alone would be worth the legal fees.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2540
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Posted - 2016.04.05 03:00:24 -
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Omega Jovakko wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I see the crap is still flying in here.... I've all but completely pulled out, I'm waiting to see where it gets resolved. Isn't it resolved already?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Omega Jovakko
Mighty 8th Industries
225
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Posted - 2016.04.05 03:14:36 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Omega Jovakko wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I see the crap is still flying in here.... I've all but completely pulled out, I'm waiting to see where it gets resolved. Isn't it resolved already?
It's IGS, things are never resolved
But no honestly I couldn't really tell if they were or not, shots were being taken and it still looked busy.
"that's just blatant Anti-Caldari Propaganda, this Janitor must be arrested at once!"
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
733
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Posted - 2016.04.05 03:29:02 -
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For my part of "this" I accept Commander Kim's retraction and apology, and commend her for offering it. |
Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
40
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Posted - 2016.06.27 02:27:16 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Omega Jovakko wrote:I don't suppose we could just get the POW's back? Break some legs? Ask politely? Or since we all sign our lives away as part of our livelyhood do we just give up on them? We actually can. If you want to help us, grab a codebreaker, grabs some guns, probe scanner and head to Black Rise. No, of course we don't give up on them. They can and shall be rescued, the Navy already performs operations, and we, capsuleers, can and must help them. Gallentean prisons must be demolished. And make sure that any gallentean ship that will appear there will meet its demise. Tags of these subhumans can be traded in Jita later for some nice isk too. ANY Gallente ship even one trying to help you like I would and not just for the tags |
James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1315
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Posted - 2016.06.30 22:43:02 -
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Yes well.. has anyone seen the alleged video of the alleged prisoners yet? Or did I miss it in my dotage.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
46
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Posted - 2016.06.30 23:33:10 -
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Why is this still a thing. Come on people this is warfare, prisoners are part of warfare on both sides. Diana would you prefer the federation just kill the prisoners? What is the goal here? People know us frogs have less honor then you squids, that is why we tend to win, and now control Placid. You are not calling out anything new. The Gallente lie, cheat, and steal the cluster knows this stance from you. Now either start fighting smart like the Gallente or keep fighting your way but please bring a new approach it is just getting so easy to dismiss you.
Arggg.... well that is that Kim has made me rant.
Can the rest of us stop encouraging this poor, sad, scared girl?
I suppose talks of honor among people who can't die are always silly but damn this just takes the cake.
We can do great things for this cluster just look at the Villore Assembly, Gallente and Calderi working together for a common goal. |
James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1315
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Posted - 2016.07.01 00:52:52 -
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Tristan Valentina wrote:Why is this still a thing. Come on people this is warfare, prisoners are part of warfare on both sides. Diana would you prefer the federation just kill the prisoners? What is the goal here? People know us frogs have less honor then you squids, that is why we tend to win, and now control Placid. You are not calling out anything new. The Gallente lie, cheat, and steal the cluster knows this stance from you. Now either start fighting smart like the Gallente or keep fighting your way but please bring a new approach it is just getting so easy to dismiss you.
Arggg.... well that is that Kim has made me rant.
Can the rest of us stop encouraging this poor, sad, scared girl?
I suppose talks of honor among people who can't die are always silly but damn this just takes the cake.
We can do great things for this cluster just look at the Villore Assembly, Gallente and Calderi working together for a common goal. Oh now let us not blame our dear Ms. Kim for your... 'rant'.
After all she has yet to respond.
As to encouraging her, that is indeed exactly what I am trying to do.
After all it is her deprived upbringing and restricted perspectives that undoubtedly cause her to be... well... the way she is.
As to the Assembly. I am a member... and yes it has had some modest success, as you say do to engagement and collaboration.
Which is exactly why I am trying to encourage Ms. Kim.
After all GÇÿweGÇÖ are the only friends the poor dear has.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
46
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Posted - 2016.07.01 02:36:19 -
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James Syagrius wrote:
After all GÇÿweGÇÖ are the only friends the poor dear has.
And that is the part that scares me the most.
Tristan |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
750
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Posted - 2016.07.01 06:18:01 -
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James Syagrius wrote:
After all GÇÿweGÇÖ are the only friends the poor dear has.
Come again?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1233
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Posted - 2016.07.01 06:23:21 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:James Syagrius wrote:
After all GÇÿweGÇÖ are the only friends the poor dear has.
Come again?
'Friends'.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1315
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Posted - 2016.07.01 23:25:55 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:James Syagrius wrote: After all GÇÿweGÇÖ are the only friends the poor dear has.
Come again? 'Friends'. Well yesGǪ some of us may well be GÇÿfriendlierGÇÖ to Ms. Kim than others.
But what you lot do behind closed doors is not may... affair.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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