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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7490
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Posted - 2016.04.23 08:10:19 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dearest Lucas, if CCP had a problem with IWI they would deal with it, as this does not appear to be the case thus far, then IWI are perfectly entitled to fund anything they want to for any reason.
CCP set the rules of the play-box, stop crying and deal with it. And I'm perfectly entitled to disagree. Nothing would ever change if people didn't push for change.
You're yet to prove anything wrong, hell you're yet to even respond to most of my points, you just keep smacking those strawmen and being a hypocrite.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3501
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Posted - 2016.04.23 08:25:58 -
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******LEAKS****** Lukas Kell Diary *****LEAKS*****
Day 21: Posts #842 Still one voice screaming it's not fair. They'll break soon
Day 22: Posts #871 Today I used a strawman argument I based from cherry-picked quotes. Jokes on them I accused them of doing that though
Day 23: Posts #921 today I screamed into the void that my unique personal opinion is somehow a fact
Day 24: Posts #1057 no one is liking my rambling posts must mean i have support on this subject and im not a crazy ********************************
Guys I have a good source on these, more to come.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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Sister MaryElephant
Stellar Conundrum
21
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Posted - 2016.04.24 03:39:56 -
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fofofofofofofofofofofofo
Lucas......buddy...sweetie.....what are you gonna do now?
Darius has returned.
Good luck with the application.
Send me 5 billion ISK and contract me your ships for safe shipping
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7491
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Posted - 2016.04.24 08:15:56 -
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I'm not sure who that is, why I should care or why you feel my ships are in a precarious position, and if I were to suddenly have a problem shipping my stuff I certainly have no idea why I'd send it all to a random forum alt.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
255
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Posted - 2016.04.24 15:30:59 -
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On topic: when exactly does the enemy stop being the enemy?
Example. Guys or corps who recently dropped out of The Imperium, applying to Your alliance. We don't want them to stop playing, obviously; but we also don't want fair weather friends, F1 monkeys or carebears. We can take some newbros under our wings but at this point, there's a massive influx of non-PvP crowd scattering to the four winds.
I'd like to hear some perspectives on how the "refugees" are dealt with. Where do they go? Who takes them in? Are they looking to learn to PvP, or are they looking for green pastures to let the Mackinaws graze?
Luckily I'm not in a leadership position; because personally, ex-wartarget or affiliated is still wartarget in my book. Will remain so until things quiet down. It probably takes a better person than me to harbour those who would burn the universe but then suddenly had second thoughts about it - at gunpoint.
Then again I never said I was a nice person.
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
339
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Posted - 2016.04.24 21:14:38 -
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I have cleaned a post for Trolling. I know it's common, but it is against Rule 2.
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
ISD Gallifreyan
Lt. Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCL)
Interstellar Services Department
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7530
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Posted - 2016.04.24 23:27:27 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:On topic: when exactly does the enemy stop being the enemy?
Example. Guys or corps who recently dropped out of The Imperium, applying to Your alliance. We don't want them to stop playing, obviously; but we also don't want fair weather friends, F1 monkeys or carebears. We can take some newbros under our wings but at this point, there's a massive influx of non-PvP crowd scattering to the four winds.
I'd like to hear some perspectives on how the "refugees" are dealt with. Where do they go? Who takes them in? Are they looking to learn to PvP, or are they looking for green pastures to let the Mackinaws graze?
Luckily I'm not in a leadership position; because personally, ex-wartarget or affiliated is still wartarget in my book. Will remain so until things quiet down. It probably takes a better person than me to harbour those who would burn the universe but then suddenly had second thoughts about it - at gunpoint.
Then again I never said I was a nice person.
What's your take on it, gentlemen?
My take on this is, I don't envy your position.
Considering how the ranks of CFC swelled by "selling" nullbearing opportunities to noobs, and only requiring them to be an F1 monkey in the old N+1 fleet doctrines (now smashed by what is called "Fozzie SOV"), I can understand the issue you face.
On the other hand, there is an issue of old that might resurface.
Before goons, it was hard for noobs and players whose game play was not PVP at the core if it (builders, farmers, etc.) to get out of highsec. Back around 2009 - 2011 a very common trope was for players to "grind for 2 years amassing ISK and SP so I can finally go to nullsec". The real end result was players being "broken" into highsec grindbears (incursions didn't help the matter) or just plain getting bored out of the game. One day those same farmers/mission grinders you see every day don't show up, and you never see them again. (Maybe they died of boredom at their keyboard? ) And the old perceptions around SP accumulation were incorrect, horribly so, but "stuck". I think CCP has worked hard to combat this, starting with Mastery Tabs, and adding re-spec, and now SP injection (love it or hate it, it would have solved this "play for 2 years then die of boredom in highsec" problem if they did it in 2008). The genius of the SP system was grossly overlooked and the foolishness of those adhering to it would be their demise.
This perception had a reason: back then a lot of recruitment adds were "20 Million SP at least or GTFO!". It was goons who actually had the reputation of being newbro friendly and this helped them significantly. The "XX amount of 10s of millions of SP or don't apply" corporations found themselves outnumbered. And newbros in good fleet doctrines is nothing to laugh at. It don't matter how great your PWNmobile is, if you are outnumbered you're going down.
And let is not forget, SRP. It seems foolish after a while to end up in fleets where you get tossed into a ship grinder by bad tactics and you still have to find time to earn the ISK yourself to even have a ship at all.
Hopefully the new mechanics means we don't go back to "20M SP or GTFO" and the ways of olde: getting bored out of the game and having to grind for your own destruction. While I was always "Grrr goons", even I had to submit that they gave noobs a much friendlier path in this game than the "U'R NOT LEET GTFO" attitude that was the norm in the past. But now I think everybody from CCP to the players who care about this game have seen how these past attitudes mean doom for the game and have sought to combat it.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.25 21:16:39 -
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IWI totally legit.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
162
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Posted - 2016.04.25 21:22:16 -
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12 people in IWI were accused of RMT, the entire site must not be legit.
So if 12 people in SMA were accused of botting or RMT-ing, all of SMA should be called cheaters and banned, right Luke?
People making ISK legitimately (like IWI) but then using it to RMT has always been ban-able. How is that news to you?
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.25 21:35:04 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:12 people in IWI were accused of RMT, the entire site must not be legit. So if 12 people in SMA were accused of botting or RMT-ing, all of SMA should be called cheaters and banned, right Luke? People making ISK legitimately (like IWI) but then using it to RMT has always been ban-able. How is that news to you? Except the people banned were bankers, and as Nosy has gone into before, the're no real chance of having that number of people banned for RMT without it being systemwide RMT. If 12 SMA directors were caught RMTing, I'd find it hard to believe SMA weren't inherently an RMT alliance.
At the end of the day this is now even more evidence that there's RMT within IWI, and drops it down to zero evidence that they aren't as their whole story was "well they got unbanned so they weren't". What exactly is it you require before you believe there's RMT there? And are you still trying to hold up this whole "I'm neutral, honest" thing?
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
162
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Posted - 2016.04.25 21:56:59 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Except the people banned were bankers, and as Nosy has gone into before, the're no real chance of having that number of people banned for RMT without it being systemwide RMT. If 12 SMA directors were caught RMTing, I'd find it hard to believe SMA weren't inherently an RMT alliance.
At the end of the day this is now even more evidence that there's RMT within IWI, and drops it down to zero evidence that they aren't as their whole story was "well they got unbanned so they weren't". What exactly is it you require before you believe there's RMT there? And are you still trying to hold up this whole "I'm neutral, honest" thing?
So basically what we have now is you couldn't prove to anyone that IWI has an 'unfair advantage' in making isk, and knowing you lost that fight you've turned to trying to pin RMT on an entire organization by the actions of a few line members?
Do you ever give up on the spin and rhetoric? Your level of stubbornness indicates my father must be running your account. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.25 22:07:14 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:So basically what we have now is you couldn't prove to anyone that IWI has an 'unfair advantage' in making isk, and knowing you lost that fight you've turned to trying to pin RMT on an entire organization by the actions of a few line members?
Do you ever give up on the spin and rhetoric? Your level of stubbornness indicates my father must be running your account. No, it's an undeniable fact that they gain an unfair advantage, and now in addition there's more evidence that they RMT (which you'll note is something else I've said all along).
It's truly unbelievable that you can see this much against them, from reputable sources like Nosy no less, and still try to claim that you're defense of them is completely neutral. Judging by other people's comments elsewhere you might find your side is a pretty lonely place before too long.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
257
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Posted - 2016.04.25 22:11:15 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No, it's an undeniable fact that they gain an unfair advantage, and now in addition there's more evidence that they RMT (which you'll note is something else I've said all along).
It's truly unbelievable that you can see this much against them, from reputable sources like Nosy no less, and still try to claim that you're defense of them is completely neutral. Judging by other people's comments elsewhere you might find your side is a pretty lonely place before too long. Why has this thread switched to talking about the multi-dollar media empire?
Oh hang on....apparently it hasn't. OK, RMT away Emporium. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.25 22:13:05 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Why has this thread switched to talking about the multi-dollar media empire?
Oh hang on....apparently it hasn't. OK, RMT away Emporium. Feel free to provide the evidence of TMC RMTing whenever you want to. I guarantee if you show verifiable evidence of that I'll be against them too.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
163
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Posted - 2016.04.25 22:20:28 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No, it's an undeniable fact that they gain an unfair advantage, and now in addition there's more evidence that they RMT (which you'll note is something else I've said all along).
It's truly unbelievable that you can see this much against them, from reputable sources like Nosy no less, and still try to claim that you're defense of them is completely neutral. Judging by other people's comments elsewhere you might find your side is a pretty lonely place before too long.
"I gave my opinion that literally no one agrees with, so it's obviously an undeniable fact"
You should be a US politician Lucas. You'd go far. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.25 22:26:19 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:"I gave my opinion that literally no one agrees with, so it's obviously an undeniable fact"
You should be a US politician Lucas. You'd go far. No, it's an undeniable fact because having more isk is an advantage and without the IWI site they'd not be able to leverage the level of isk income they currently have. Just because a few vocal people with every reason to be against hat went "NOPE!" doesn't somehow disprove that. If anything most of the arguments you guys made was that it does provide an unfair advantage but other applications do too.
Oh wait, yeah I forgot you didn't actually bother reading any of the previous posts so you pretty much are starting from scratch here. My bad, never mind.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
257
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Posted - 2016.04.25 22:54:32 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Why has this thread switched to talking about the multi-dollar media empire?
Oh hang on....apparently it hasn't. OK, RMT away Emporium. Feel free to provide the evidence of TMC RMTing whenever you want to. I guarantee if you show verifiable evidence of that I'll be against them too. So this is just a straight double standards thing from you then?
You post evidence of IWI RMT. You seem to be against them for it with no evidence.
What individual bankers have been banned for is no different to what a number of indivual goons have also been banned for. Individuals actions don't equate to systemic processes, unless you apply that same standard to both organisations. |
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
163
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Posted - 2016.04.25 23:04:44 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No, it's an undeniable fact because having more isk is an advantage and without the IWI site they'd not be able to leverage the level of isk income they currently have. Just because a few vocal people with every reason to be against hat went "NOPE!" doesn't somehow disprove that. If anything most of the arguments you guys made was that it does provide an unfair advantage but other applications do too.
Oh wait, yeah I forgot you didn't actually bother reading any of the previous posts so you pretty much are starting from scratch here. My bad, never mind.
"someone disagrees with me, so obviously they didn't read what I wrote"
"Just because a few vocal people...." pot, meet kettle. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
256
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Posted - 2016.04.25 23:07:40 -
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I'm not a proficient forum warrior. Is there any way to hide replies quoting someone whose posts I've hidden? Once the lolfactor wears out it's getting old. Please advice. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.25 23:11:31 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:So this is just a straight double standards thing from you then?
You post evidence of IWI RMT. You seem to be against them for it with no evidence.
What individual bankers have been banned for is no different to what a number of indivual goons have also been banned for. Individuals actions don't equate to systemic processes, unless you apply that same standard to both organisations. Lol? So CCP's director of security saying that if it were up to him all 12 bankers would have been permabanned, that's not evidence enough? You literally just have you and other grr goons players stating "hurf blurf Emporium RMT". I mean hell, you haven't even given a good explanation of how they would RMT without being caught, because let's face it, you've not thought it out. This is why pretty much everything you say gets dismissed.
At the end of the day though you can keep trying to stand by your ever diminishing group of IWI cheerleaders in denying it, but you can't deny the truth forever.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.25 23:13:06 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:"someone disagrees with me, so obviously they didn't read what I wrote" Actually it wasn't the disagreement, it was that you were disagreeing with points I'd never made. This was also something explained to you which is again something you seem not to have read.
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:I'm not a proficient forum warrior. Is there any way to hide replies quoting someone whose posts I've hidden? Once the lolfactor wears out it's getting old. Please advice. You could stop reading the thread, or just read the name before you read the post.
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Bleedingthrough
203
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Posted - 2016.04.25 23:14:34 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:I'm not a proficient forum warrior. Is there any way to hide replies quoting someone whose posts I've hidden? Once the lolfactor wears out it's getting old. Please advice.
Try reddit. Trolls get downvoted there. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2016.04.25 23:29:01 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:So this is just a straight double standards thing from you then?
You post evidence of IWI RMT. You seem to be against them for it with no evidence.
What individual bankers have been banned for is no different to what a number of indivual goons have also been banned for. Individuals actions don't equate to systemic processes, unless you apply that same standard to both organisations. Lol? So CCP's director of security saying that if it were up to him all 12 bankers would have been permabanned, that's not evidence enough? You literally just have you and other grr goons players stating "hurf blurf Emporium RMT". I mean hell, you haven't even given a good explanation of how they would RMT without being caught, because let's face it, you've not thought it out. This is why pretty much everything you say gets dismissed. At the end of the day though you can keep trying to stand by your ever diminishing group of IWI cheerleaders in denying it, but you can't deny the truth forever. If they had been RMTing, they would have been banned. That's the concrete evidence that is available.
That hasn't happened. Plain, simple, verifiable, objective.
The only hurt blurf that gets dismissed here is the rubbish you post.
I'm not grrr gons. I quite like them. I also like having fun, so it's just playing the game. But overall, I admire what gons have done in the past. Not so much lately.
The only thing I dislike is the tears and whining now occurring because you've lost. You're happy when it's just gons dominating, when it's just gons doxxing, when it's just gons controlling the narrative of the metagame.
But crying and whining incessantly because you are losing is pathetic and worth making lots of fun of, especially as you're incapable of not responding.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.25 23:57:07 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:If they had been RMTing, they would have been banned. That's the concrete evidence that is available. Except of course the director of security claiming that if he had it his way they would have been banned permanently and confirming they were involved in serious RMT.
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:I'm not grrr gons. I quite like them. lol, good one. Complete BS, but good one.
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:The only thing I dislike is the tears and whining now occurring because you've lost. Except that's not why, you can go back to long before this war even started to see I held the same opinions.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
168
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Posted - 2016.04.26 00:27:58 -
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Sorry if I hit a nerve. Just admit everyone has shown how absurd you are already.
Come on, this is just sad. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.26 00:42:25 -
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Let's not start this thing where you just say "stuff" then a completely random troll post again. Just hush up until you think up a valid point.
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Josef Djugashvilis
3370
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Posted - 2016.04.26 05:43:55 -
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Lucas, if you have any evidence regarding wrong doing by IWI then present it to CCP.
They will consider it and reach a decision which we all need to accept.
Right now you just come across a sad, whinging loser on the wrong side of World War Bee.
Perhaps you are persisting with this hopeless cause to say on the right side of the increasingly paranoid mittens?
This is not a signature.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7493
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Posted - 2016.04.26 07:53:46 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lucas, if you have any evidence regarding wrong doing by IWI then present it to CCP.
They will consider it and reach a decision which we all need to accept.
Right now you just come across a sad, whinging loser on the wrong side of World War Bee.
Perhaps you are persisting with this hopeless cause to say on the right side of the increasingly paranoid mittens? Read the link I've posted to Nosys blog. According to CCPs head of security, even when they do have evidence they don't act on it.
And again these have been my opinions for a logn time, it has nothing to do with the Imperium. I know you guys find it impossible to separate personal opinion for the tag under someone's name, but most normal people don't.
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Reiisha
Evolution Northern Coalition.
1002
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Posted - 2016.04.26 11:41:05 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Isaac Armer wrote:"I gave my opinion that literally no one agrees with, so it's obviously an undeniable fact"
You should be a US politician Lucas. You'd go far. No, it's an undeniable fact because having more isk is an advantage and without the IWI site they'd not be able to leverage the level of isk income they currently have. Just because a few vocal people with every reason to be against hat went "NOPE!" doesn't somehow disprove that. If anything most of the arguments you guys made was that it does provide an unfair advantage but other applications do too. Oh wait, yeah I forgot you didn't actually bother reading any of the previous posts so you pretty much are starting from scratch here. My bad, never mind.
I haven't read the entire thread to be honest, but i'm wondering what point you're trying to make. IWI's isk is funding 2 alliances, not all the 20+ in the MBC. The CFC has roughly the same amount of ISK as the entire MBC combined, but the people who control it don't feel like spending it. IWI was a catalyst to get events rolling, nothing more - If you think that IWI is the only thing that keeps the conflict going, i guess (ex) CFC line members have been brainwashed more than i thought.
Any discussion about IWI has no relevance whatsoever on 'providing an advantage', as they provide very little of it if at all. ISK alone doesn't set up logistics chains, manufacturing locations, FC's, fleet members or even competence. If you believe that just having ISK provides any advantage whatsoever, look at CFC: All that isk, and they still have less space than a newbie alliance.
Which i think is rather ironic and amusing.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
172
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Posted - 2016.04.26 13:29:19 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Let's not start this thing where you just say "stuff" then a completely random troll post again. Just hush up until you think up a valid point.
You've repeatedly point-blank ignored the 3rd party apps that every major alliance uses to gain isk while condemning IWI. Until you stop with this painfully obvious propaganda, I can't take you any more seriously than I do my 6 year old niece.
You are adorable though, how hard you try! |
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