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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2016.03.27 00:20:30 -
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It has recently come to my attention that PIE still regards the religion and practices of my Amarrian monastic order as heresy.
Rather than devolve into violence, particularly at this critical time for the advancement of all Amarrian interests across the warzone, I should like to propose open and transparent discussion, in person in form of a Council of Dialogue and Discovery.
Out of consideration of PIE and their importantceto the warzone and continuing efforts to bolster the faith amongst the militia I shall propose that the conference be held in either Arzad or Kurniainen.
The goal for myself of such a conference would be to reach an understanding that, whilst perhaps we shall not be regarded as friendly we can both acknowledge that the other party does good for Amarr and that options of setting standings to neutral are open for negotiation.
I should like to open the discussion, again in person, to other theological minds of New Eden. I regard this as an important matter and should like to include the full consideration of followers of the faith in the dialogue.
Of note, I would welcome:
- Lord Vaari
- Nauplius
- Representatives of CVA
- Others that wish to tender their views with a track record in this forum
I urge you to consider participation in this event and await your response.
Ex Pacem Ad Caesarem Ex Cruor Amarr. |
Maguelone Sarpati
Hematology Advancement Program I N G L O R I O U S
5
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Posted - 2016.03.27 04:08:56 -
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I commend your decision to propose instead of petition. Well played. And good luck. |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
96
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Posted - 2016.03.27 04:45:51 -
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A petition would be a recognition of authority in this matter, of which there is none. It is merely peers discussing differences of views.
Thank you for your kind thoughts. |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
96
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Posted - 2016.03.27 04:59:10 -
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To further assist my good friends in PIE, as they are aware of the recent re-opening of recruitment of Battlemonks here is the state of our current promotional material.
AMONK Recruitment Poster
To my taste it is a little sad that things such as PIE's negative view of us are actually seen as a recruiting asset. Please, let us talk and clear the air. |
Halfrek Foley
Hematology Advancement Program I N G L O R I O U S
37
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Posted - 2016.03.27 07:37:24 -
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edeity wrote:To further assist my good friends in PIE, as they are aware of the recent re-opening of recruitment of Battlemonks here is the state of our current promotional material. AMONK Recruitment PosterTo my taste it is a little sad that things such as PIE's negative view of us are actually seen as a recruiting asset. Please, let us talk and clear the air.
Hello. I see you have a Blood Raiders logo in your poster. How does working for the Amarr militia help the Blood Raiders and how are you affiliated with the Blood Raiders? |
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
682
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Posted - 2016.03.27 07:41:16 -
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I was struck by this uncharacteristically reasonable and mature approach to matters of theological and diplomatic difficulty coming from Local is Primary. Could I have mislabeled them due to their approach in... well, Local? May I have dismissed them as mere lunatics taunting the actual loyalists with their presence in error? Perhaps some of their numbers are actual believes in a cause, rather than merely in it for the bloodsport? Perhaps this is...
edeity wrote:Of note, I would welcome:
My sides. I may mourn the lack of Matari principles and ways on our side, but at least I can take some small comfort in how Aldieboo and his ilk must go through a set of dentures on a weekly basis, gritting their teeth at their side's strongest fighters. |
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1061
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Posted - 2016.03.27 09:24:51 -
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Considering that fancy Blood Raider's logo on your organisation's recruitment poster, I think it's rather obvious no one serious from the faith needs to deal with you.
I'll be filing CVA's invitation under T.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
96
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Posted - 2016.03.27 09:26:29 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Considering that fancy Blood Raider's logo on your organisation's recruitment poster, I think it's rather obvious no one serious from the faith needs to deal with you.
I'll be filing CVA's invitation under T.
As you wish. The invitation was extended. |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
531
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Posted - 2016.03.27 11:35:31 -
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It is Possible, that by Re-Interpreting All of Scripture, including Imperial Orthodoxy, Sani sabik, Equilibrium of Mankind, and Others, that the Divine Truth of God's Word would be Revealed.
Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.
It is Written.
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Sinjin Mokk
Angelis Exploration
810
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Posted - 2016.03.27 12:26:39 -
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Upon consideration, this might be a good idea.
There are many of the Faith, Amarr and Saninst living in NullSec.
How does one support Faith when separated from the Empire?
Coming to the table for discussion is not weakness. It shows maturity. What's the worst that could happen?
(don't answer that)
I will attend.
I also recommend you extend an invitation to Max Singularity.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
640
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Posted - 2016.03.27 13:43:24 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Considering that fancy Blood Raider's logo on your organisation's recruitment poster, I think it's rather obvious no one serious from the faith needs to deal with you.
I'll be filing CVA's invitation under T.
But they also have the Amarr Logo on their poster. This is precisely what needs theological discussion instead of immediate dismissal:
Is it allowable for the Amarr Faithful to advocate for Amarr-Blood Raider syncretism (or to use my preferred term, Reunification, in respect of the historical contingencies)?
Is it allowable for the Amarr Faithful to perform human sacrifice, given the sacrifice of Molok the Deceiver upon the Altar of God in the Scriptures? (I do recall that PIE requested and received from an Imperial official a negative judgement against freighter-enabled slave sacrifice; however, given the Molok Scripture, this ought not be interpreted as a sweeping judgement against all sacrifice in my estimation).
Is it allowable for the Amarr Faithful to perform any blood rites using defeated enemies or slaves?
And of course, whatever the disagreements on these questions, is KOS/-10 the appropriate response, or might there be some "agree to disagree" possible? |
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1061
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Posted - 2016.03.27 14:02:54 -
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Sabik are heretics to the Orthodox, this is fact.
Blooders are the very worst of the Sabik, and go out of their way to cause great harm to many innocents for their blood lust. This is also fact.
The Amarr do not intend to destroy outright, but to Reclaim.
The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45 wrote:"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance"
If a Minmatar were to convert Nauplius, it is not your place to destroy them for they are HIS and HIS alone, and it should have been your task to bring them into his grace.
The Amarr do not listen to the whispers of temptation of the Sabik.
The Scriptures, Book of Missions 5:14 wrote:"Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice." The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 wrote:"So instructed the Queen to her champion, GÇÿBeware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone; The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word, Great misery follows those who heed what only the weak have heard. Heed me champion, for only you shall know; Within the blue ring of fire lies the final key of revelation. Find this ring, my champion, and both mind and spirit shall be strong once more."
The way of the Sabik is the easy path, the selfish path. Blooders most especially look to seek power and become Chosen through the sacrifice of the blood of others. They know naught the right path, the way of hardship and self sacrifice, they only know to bring glory through the ruination of others for their debauched Red God.
The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5 wrote:"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God"
This is the true path that you deny, this is the only way to redemption that you seek to avoid. You deny His Will, and through it damn yourselves. This is why this debate will never take place, and why this will be my final post.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
706
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Posted - 2016.03.27 15:07:06 -
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After Captain Onzo's post immediately above, I have nothing to add, other than there is a spot in SFRIM for Captain Onzo as spokesperson if he ever tires of Null.
SFRIM will also skip the "Theological Discussion" |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
631
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Posted - 2016.03.27 18:11:36 -
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"Theological discussion"? I only see an attempt at a charade, aiming to give blooder/sabik activities a veneer of legitimacy. But yes, no one in her right mind would miss the opportunity to skip that! |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
96
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Posted - 2016.03.27 20:45:37 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Upon consideration, this might be a good idea.
There are many of the Faith, Amarr and Saninst living in NullSec.
How does one support Faith when separated from the Empire?
Coming to the table for discussion is not weakness. It shows maturity. What's the worst that could happen?
(don't answer that)
I will attend.
I also recommend you extend an invitation to Max Singularity.
I am heartened by the expression of rational thought. It is all that I hope for, rather than the blindness of pedantry and willful misrepresentation of meritorious exploration of a deeper understanding of our common faith.
Max Singularity deeming this worthy of attention would indeed be a great outcome for further expanding the range of consideration beyond this small clique of nattering aged nuns proclaiming that only their faith is true.
Max? Would you have thoughts to share on this matter?
Worst that could happen? No response from PIE would be the worst that could happen. Who knows what the consequences would be. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
640
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Posted - 2016.03.28 11:45:14 -
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It is sad that no intelligent response from the so-called orthodox Amarr side has been forthcoming.
I say so-called because while the loyalists may cite Scripture, they fail to realize that Scripture has been altered by a wayward and liberal Theology Council. In the crises of a Empire that will soon have its fourth Emperor in fifteen years should be seen God's Judgement upon a wayward, liberal, slave-loving, Scripture-altering Empire: the end of the Golden Age and the dawn of the Blood Age.
Even so, may the Blood Age come quickly. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Sinjin Mokk
Angelis Exploration
811
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Posted - 2016.03.28 19:56:25 -
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Not too long ago a Peace Summit was held by the late Dr. Arkon Sarain. In attendance were Matari, Angel Cartel, Bloodraiders, mercenaries and representatives from the Federation. The Amarr were very much a presence at that event, most notably, Utari Onzo. While litte was accomplished, the Summit was a success based on the amount and variety of its attendees.
I find it sad that those same Amarr who praised Dr Sarain's efforts, would now refuse to continue his work.
Amarr has the opportunity to show itself as being a leader in the creation of peace. Amarr can be a guide in the correct interpretation of Scripture. Amarr can prove that the many and varied organizations of this Galaxy can debate and negotiate without CONCORD there to hold everyone's hands.
Yet Amarr decides it's going to take their toys and go home because they don't want to be seen with "those kinds of people?"
I think the representatives of the Empire are missing a key fact. To the rest of the Galaxy, there is little difference between Amarr faith and Sanist faith. This is an opportunity to present factual historic documentation that will prove the Empire's claims that they are the One, True Faith. By refusing to send a delegate, you're basically sticking your fingers in your collective ears and going "LALALALALA, I CAN"T HEAR YOU."
I expected better.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
635
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Posted - 2016.03.29 03:38:14 -
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Well, Mr. Mokk,
I expected... well, actually, no, I didn't expect better of you than to side in this as a partisan with Blooders and other heretics of the Sani Sabik!
Don't try to play the part of the impartial outsider and expect anyone to swallow it: It is obvious that you, being a criminal - if not heretic(?), would benefit in this endeavour of striving for legitimacy. After all, if heretics get some legitimacy, then criminals would as well, no?
The Peace Summit of Dr. Sarain was quite a different animal than the herein proposed conference. You do him a disvavour by associating one with the other, too. The Peace Summit might have included criminals and heretics - yet it was not a summit between one lawful entity and entities outlawed by that one entity: And nowhere was the aim of the Peace Summit to legitimize outlaws, be that criminals or heretics.
How the rest of the Galaxy views the Amarr Faith and the Sani Sabik heresy is of little concern. The Empire has no difference to prove in this regard: Any outsiders who dedicate themselves to study this will see the difference and quite clearly so. That much has been the experience of Aria Jenneth as well as others. Those who don't want to see the difference won't be convinced by the farce proposed here, either.
Also, the claim that the Empire is the steward of the one true Faith is not a matter of "factual historic documentation". No historical document can prove that. After all, the true Faith is faithful to God, not some historical document: Just as true obedience means to follow the command according to it's intent, not to the letter.
Lastly, no one is refusing to send a representative. We simply deny that there is anything worthwhile to which a representative could be sent. The situation is easy to understand: Sani Sabikism has no theology because it has no place for reasoned discourse qua being Sani Sabikism. The only place 'reasoned discourse' has for those heretics is as a word used in decieving others about their true intentions - or outside of their identity as Sani Sabik. It is hypocritical, though, to suggest that their identity as heretics will be left out in a discourse about their heresy and it's status. It'd also be wrong to ignore this.
If any of those heretics want legitimacy, then they are free to renounce their heresies, repent and lay their lives down to be decided upon by imperial authorities. |
Gosakumori Noh
Hematology Advancement Program I N G L O R I O U S
782
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Posted - 2016.03.29 04:19:45 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:The true Faith is faithful to God, not some historical document.
...or some collection fairy tales sanctioned by some collection of fairy tale enthusiasts. |
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1070
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Posted - 2016.03.29 05:22:07 -
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Mokk, you have forced me to post here again by your blatant slander. As a delegate to the Conference you would damn well know Sansha and Blooders were disbarred from Delegacy. They were never a part of the Conference and The Faith was never a point of discussion or debate.
Don't spin Sarain's legacy of political peace for your twisted attempt to appear as a theological 'peace maker'.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
96
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Posted - 2016.03.29 09:48:32 -
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What a bunch of claptrap. Mokk was amongst the very first to stand against me as a representative of Khanid. In no way can you claim he is an ally or standing in league. And yet the narrative of pettiness and narrow mindedness stands proud.
Let me put this a different way. My faith is one of action. Not words. There are words here to see if one form of action can be pursued, action of collaboration. But if not, well, wheels are already in motion in preparation.
To speak clearer, the new war will not last for a long time. Many brothers and sisters will be in want of things to do. Are you so confident they will toe the old line and respect the derelict self gratifying structures of self proclaimed authority you have crafted for yourselves? I know where their loyalties will lie. Do you? Has your narrow mind even conceived of the world beyond your pathetic pandering for likes from the piteously minuscule representation of projection of Amarrian power here?
I would rather not be enemy to CVA but I would rather even more Amarr not be denied its right to rule rightfully with all it's power. If CVA was true to what it once was, it would support this as well. But you are a sham.
A dream is taking root. A dream of a more tolerant warzone. One in which the very last vestiges of the decayed and faded rule of Providence and PIE is finally removed. I stand not alone and am asked constantly when is the time. Perhaps this brings clarity.
Your time has faded and rest on withered laurels. Get out of the way of the light of the full faith. |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
96
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Posted - 2016.03.29 10:49:36 -
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Update. There has been an intercept of a formal diplomatic response to this issue from the CTRLV alliance. It is in the form of character of their culture and traditions, and is what one would expect.
CTRVL Formal Diplomatic Position PIE & CVA |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
641
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Posted - 2016.03.29 11:37:40 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Sani Sabikism has no theology because it has no place for reasoned discourse qua being Sani Sabikism.
This is not even close to true. In the last few years, I have introduced several advanced theological concepts to this forum and the corresponding in-flight channels:
- The doctrine of the Golden Age and the Blood Age and how it explains current events.
- The benefits of blood types to its consumers (that is, "The blood of the Brutor gives strength to the Chosen" and so on).
- The doctrine of "given over to destruction" along with the identification of those to whom the doctrine applies.
- A robust notion of predestination and God-glorification defended against all those wimpy liberals who find it horrifying.
- The doctrine of purifying sin through blood, and how it provides the Chosen a more merciful path as compared to self-flagellation and selling oneself into slavery.
Synthia's (or was it Valerie's) claims aside (claims based only on the testimony of an admiral who is himself wayward and liberal), I am truly the greatest Sani Sabik theologian of the modern era; there is none among the present-day "orthodox" Amarr who can stand against me in debate. Even so, may the Blood Age come quickly. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
687
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Posted - 2016.03.29 11:49:51 -
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It is sort of amusing and heartening at once to see so many of the loyalists dismiss these blooders, sansha etc from relevance when it comes to talkin', but it's also rather disappointing to see that talk is all it is. When the fights start, the loyalists huddle up to the heretics with shifty eyes and I could swear their piloting is trying to telegraph "I just happened to be here. Not with these guys."
You know what would be immensely impressive to see? The Imperial loyalists actually being better and stronger than my own side, and taking a stand not just on pointless fora but in space. Take up arms and say no more. Or you know, at the very least don't run under their coats when the fighting gets hard. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2514
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Posted - 2016.03.29 12:32:16 -
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I am honestly surprised and glad the Imperials will try to talk with pirates. We have a common enemy and we all should stay united.
I myself rather often speak intolerantly about quite a lot of entities that oppose the State, but when the business comes to the fight, I would accept flying even with gurista, or whomever else who will agree to fight against gallente swines and tribal dogs.
And that actually means a lot. I have been fighting gurista long before the war has started, and even before I became a capsuleer. They are greatly amoral, savage and disgusting persons, whom I'd better just shoot instead of trying to talk to. They are even more disgusting than Blood Raiders. Yes, we have stormed a couple of their cathedrals in Caldari Space. If you did the same, you probably remember the picture of their insides... or more like insides of their poor victims. But alas, for an experienced marine it wasn't neither scary, nor disgusting: we have seen that all on a battlefield. A shell hitting a platoon can make pictures way more wretched than Blood Raider's imagination can achieve. What gurista were doing inside their installations was way more disturbing. Because it was unusual, it was highly amoral and disgusting.
And they stink too.
Still, would fight with them if they will turn their guns against Federation and Republic.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
347
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Posted - 2016.03.29 13:56:57 -
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edeity wrote:What a bunch of claptrap. Mokk was amongst the very first to stand against me as a representative of Khanid.
Is he representing Khanid this week? |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
989
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Posted - 2016.03.29 15:09:03 -
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Came expecting another Amarrian ******* match. Left somewhat disappointed.....
2/10 |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
98
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Posted - 2016.03.29 20:32:47 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Came expecting another Amarrian ******* match. Left somewhat disappointed.....
2/10
Alas PIE has adopted the tactics of the Matari, its called "Running Away When Do Not Have Overwhelming Odds in Favour".
No bloodsport here. Just sidelines commentary from nobodies. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
993
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Posted - 2016.03.29 20:40:49 -
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edeity wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Came expecting another Amarrian ******* match. Left somewhat disappointed.....
2/10 Alas PIE has adopted the tactics of the Matari, its called "Running Away When Do Not Have Overwhelming Odds in Favour". No bloodsport here. Just sidelines commentary from nobodies. At least we talk to each other....... |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
99
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Posted - 2016.03.29 20:50:51 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:edeity wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Came expecting another Amarrian ******* match. Left somewhat disappointed.....
2/10 Alas PIE has adopted the tactics of the Matari, its called "Running Away When Do Not Have Overwhelming Odds in Favour". No bloodsport here. Just sidelines commentary from nobodies. At least we talk to each other.......
Indeed. I commend you for it. You suffer not the false arrogance of self granted unsubstantiated authority. |
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