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Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
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Posted - 2016.03.28 22:02:51 -
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Over the last few weeks I've not really kept up to speed with peoples opinions on citadels, I have however taken note on the opinions regarding the change to broker fees and how citadel owners can effectively give people 0% broker fees.
I was wondering how many people would be interested in either; A. helping me fund/set up a large citadel in Jita near the current hub (easier to move existing assets from the hub to the new citadel), or B. simply would be interested in having access to such a citadel.
Being unaffiliated with all politics in the game I would not limit access to the station, even against those who would attack the citadel (looking at PFR and the access rights to their 'freeports').
For those wondering who I am/what I've done in the game, here are some of my accomplishments;
* When the phoebe patch came out I took a small group of guys into Etherium reach, where initially we held the good money moons in the constellation connecting to Skarkon (molden heath). At the same time we had to defend against the newly formed phoebe Freeport republic, with much success as the original founder can tell you. Eventually we decided to work alongside PFR as we had mutual 'enemies' at the time, after about a month of working together I left as was being disrespected almost daily by all members of the coalition we formed and was the only one actually trying to keep our coalition together.
* My favourite achievement was taking the station in A-REKV (tenerifis) and holding it for about 26 hours. What makes this such a great achievement was we were only a group of 5 guys against the coalition GCLUB (RIP) ran at the time. During the defence of our foothold GCLUB and friends sieged our deathstar staging pos. Initially they warped 8 supers onto the pos followed by about 20 carriers/dreads and 100 sub caps (mainly ishtars). We ended up killing at least 2 billion isk worth of fighter bombers (including 2 shadow fighter bombers) almost emptying half of the supers of their fighter bombers.
* The biggest achievement I regret having taken a part of was the breaking of IRC in the spire. The backstory to this was ROC. (old time friends) invited the corp I ran to join their alliance and help them make a name for themselves in GEMCO. We were told our focus was to keep pressure on IRC so that they couldn't help their friends triumvirate/solar in their fights in neighbouring regions. First thing I noticed upon arriving was advent of fates complete failure at setting up a pos in IRC space, their pos's would get reinforced daily for us to only have to go back day after day to defend them. Noticing this I took a group of guys into IRC's main system of QRH (the spire) to plant our perfected deathstar (shout out to GCLUB again for being our guinea pig). Cracks started to form in IRC morale due to not being able to break this hostile asset in THEIR space. Once we started seeing less IRC activity our coalition attacks started to pick up once more forcing TRI/SOLAR to have to come to IRC's aid. This was where with diplo contacts ROC. leadership introduced me to we were able to bring in NC. to almost all of the engagements we took part in. About a week after leaving ROC., mainly due to corp members not liking the culture in ROC., the war in the dronelands ended with TRI/SOLAR bending the knee and joining GEMCO.
I am hoping that with enough player support I can add running the new zero broker fee citadel market hub to my list of achievements.
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lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.28 22:31:16 -
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Like my name states, i was created with the sole purpose of holding/holdering stuff. You can send the funding for this to me for holdering |
Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
45
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Posted - 2016.03.28 22:36:52 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:Like my name states, i was created with the sole purpose of holding/holdering stuff. You can send the funding for this to me for holdering is there anyone that can vouch for your third party services? |
Caldari Lanyaie
Dead Rune Holder
6
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Posted - 2016.03.28 23:07:24 -
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Why would I want to use your large citadel? Why would I trust putting my stuff into a random guy's large citadel. If I am putting my stuff into someone's citadel, it'd better be an XL citadel. Your large citadel would just be an easy target for any small group once it becomes known that people are using it as a "hub" |
Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
45
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Posted - 2016.03.28 23:18:18 -
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Caldari Lanyaie wrote:Why would I want to use your large citadel? Why would I trust putting my stuff into a random guy's large citadel. If I am putting my stuff into someone's citadel, it'd better be an XL citadel. Your large citadel would just be an easy target for any small group once it becomes known that people are using it as a "hub" XL citadels as far as I'm aware will not be allowed in high sec, from what I've seen so far large citadels will be able to hold up against most small groups. It sounds like you'd need to see the citadel in action before you took the risk of using it as a hub which is exactly why I'm making this post. Even if I don't manage to get the support, I'm hoping that this post/other posts will encourage someone who is more well known such as chribba to undertake the project. |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
80
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Posted - 2016.03.29 04:42:43 -
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Unless something's changed, there are no limitation on where any size citadel can be placed, with the exception of current hubs and starter systems. |
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2016.03.29 05:00:28 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Caldari Lanyaie wrote:Why would I want to use your large citadel? Why would I trust putting my stuff into a random guy's large citadel. If I am putting my stuff into someone's citadel, it'd better be an XL citadel. Your large citadel would just be an easy target for any small group once it becomes known that people are using it as a "hub" XL citadels as far as I'm aware will not be allowed in high sec, from what I've seen so far large citadels will be able to hold up against most small groups. It sounds like you'd need to see the citadel in action before you took the risk of using it as a hub which is exactly why I'm making this post. Even if I don't manage to get the support, I'm hoping that this post/other posts will encourage someone who is more well known such as chribba to undertake the project.
What stops you from just packing up your citadel/revoking rights from everyone else to do anything there? |
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
61
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Posted - 2016.03.29 09:02:52 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Caldari Lanyaie wrote:Why would I want to use your large citadel? Why would I trust putting my stuff into a random guy's large citadel. If I am putting my stuff into someone's citadel, it'd better be an XL citadel. Your large citadel would just be an easy target for any small group once it becomes known that people are using it as a "hub" XL citadels as far as I'm aware will not be allowed in high sec, from what I've seen so far large citadels will be able to hold up against most small groups. It sounds like you'd need to see the citadel in action before you took the risk of using it as a hub which is exactly why I'm making this post. Even if I don't manage to get the support, I'm hoping that this post/other posts will encourage someone who is more well known such as chribba to undertake the project.
You can anchor XL in high sec |
erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
420
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Posted - 2016.03.29 10:00:28 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
I was wondering how many people would be interested in either; A. helping me fund/set up a large citadel in Jita near the current hub (easier to move existing assets from the hub to the new citadel), or B. simply would be interested in having access to such a citadel.
1. You can not place citadel in Jita. But you are welcomed to place it in Perimeter. One jump closer to Amarr, Dodixie and Hek. Plus it is border to Gallente, so even gallente FW pilots will be able to shop there easely, than in Jita. Which is bad for cal mil on the other hand... Some freighter pilots, hanging for hours on perimeter gate to Jita because Jita is over populated will be tempted to unload their cargo in your citadel as well. But than Jita will not get over populated so often... 2. Put your citadel, start sell there what you produce yourself, get few manufacture players to sell there too. If it will become popular place to buy stuff, people will come there to sell as well, small traders first, IMHO.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11464
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Posted - 2016.03.29 17:07:36 -
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Would like pledge 20bn for glorious venture
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Krevnos
Back Door Burglars The Otherworld
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Posted - 2016.03.30 15:26:31 -
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The idea of building a new trade hub is not a new one. There are many out there waiting to jump on the opportunity once the patch releases. This raises some questions:
1. How do you propose to profit and repay investors with zero broker fee?
2. How will you defend your citadel? Bear in mind that a competitive trade hub will attract attention, potentially from very large groups. It will need to last longer than 26 hours.
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Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
45
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Posted - 2016.03.30 18:34:29 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Unless something's changed, there are no limitation on where any size citadel can be placed, with the exception of current hubs and starter systems. much appreciated, will be looking into this further, definitely thinking of perimeter as the location now. |
Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
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Posted - 2016.03.30 18:36:20 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Caldari Lanyaie wrote:Why would I want to use your large citadel? Why would I trust putting my stuff into a random guy's large citadel. If I am putting my stuff into someone's citadel, it'd better be an XL citadel. Your large citadel would just be an easy target for any small group once it becomes known that people are using it as a "hub" XL citadels as far as I'm aware will not be allowed in high sec, from what I've seen so far large citadels will be able to hold up against most small groups. It sounds like you'd need to see the citadel in action before you took the risk of using it as a hub which is exactly why I'm making this post. Even if I don't manage to get the support, I'm hoping that this post/other posts will encourage someone who is more well known such as chribba to undertake the project. What stops you from just packing up your citadel/revoking rights from everyone else to do anything there? Nothing stops me doing that, people would have to trust me, as time goes on i'm sure people will trust me. Saying that i'm pretty sure there's already a lot of people that trust me enough to seed the citadel. |
Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
45
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Posted - 2016.03.30 18:41:42 -
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Aaron Honk wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Caldari Lanyaie wrote:Why would I want to use your large citadel? Why would I trust putting my stuff into a random guy's large citadel. If I am putting my stuff into someone's citadel, it'd better be an XL citadel. Your large citadel would just be an easy target for any small group once it becomes known that people are using it as a "hub" XL citadels as far as I'm aware will not be allowed in high sec, from what I've seen so far large citadels will be able to hold up against most small groups. It sounds like you'd need to see the citadel in action before you took the risk of using it as a hub which is exactly why I'm making this post. Even if I don't manage to get the support, I'm hoping that this post/other posts will encourage someone who is more well known such as chribba to undertake the project. You can anchor XL in high sec If I can get the funding I'll be more then happy to set an XL up as the games first 'broker free' citadel. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11516
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Posted - 2016.03.30 18:46:40 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Nothing stops me doing that, people would have to trust me, as time goes on i'm sure people will trust me. Saying that i'm pretty sure there's already a lot of people that trust me enough to seed the citadel.
Name three, please, and log them on too to post in this thread to vouch for your trustworthiness! Nothing can go wrong!
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
45
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Posted - 2016.03.30 18:51:24 -
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erg cz wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
I was wondering how many people would be interested in either; A. helping me fund/set up a large citadel in Jita near the current hub (easier to move existing assets from the hub to the new citadel), or B. simply would be interested in having access to such a citadel.
1. You can not place citadel in Jita. But you are welcomed to place it in Perimeter. One jump closer to Amarr, Dodixie and Hek. Plus it is border to Gallente, so even gallente FW pilots will be able to shop there easely, than in Jita. Which is bad for cal mil on the other hand... Some freighter pilots, hanging for hours on perimeter gate to Jita because Jita is over populated will be tempted to unload their cargo in your citadel as well. But than Jita will not get over populated so often... 2. Put your citadel, start sell there what you produce yourself, get few manufacture players to sell there too. If it will become popular place to buy stuff, people will come there to sell as well, small traders first, IMHO. 1. Much appreciated for that info, will definitely use perimeter as the location for my citadel now.
2. That's a great idea, I actually do have some trader friends that might be interested in doing that. |
Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
45
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Posted - 2016.03.30 18:53:14 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Nothing stops me doing that, people would have to trust me, as time goes on i'm sure people will trust me. Saying that i'm pretty sure there's already a lot of people that trust me enough to seed the citadel.
Name three, please, and log them on too to post in this thread to vouch for your trustworthiness! Nothing can go wrong! I've not spoken to them about it just yet but will send them mails about it, will try my best to get them to post. |
Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
45
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Posted - 2016.03.30 18:59:22 -
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Krevnos wrote:The idea of building a new trade hub is not a new one. There are many out there waiting to jump on the opportunity once the patch releases. This raises some questions:
1. How do you propose to profit and repay investors with zero broker fee?
2. How will you defend your citadel? Bear in mind that a competitive trade hub will attract attention, potentially from very large groups. It will need to last longer than 26 hours.
1. Ideally people donating isk would just be donators as opposed to investors, if they wanted to be investors they could use the fact they don't have to pay broker fees as their repayment. Basically means they can use the profits they make to recoup their investments.
If people would like to see a return on their investment I'm more then happy to work some sort of deal out with them on a 1 to 1 basis. I'm going to talk to a friend who does a lot of trading if he'd be up for getting involved with that, he runs an ingame bank which has been running for 2+ years so is very trustworthy.
2. I can't guarantee that it will always be safe but I can guarantee that people wont want to destroy something that benefits them, such as has been the past with things like phoebe Freeport republic's freeported stations. The only difference is I wont be locking anyone out of the citadel. If the corp the citadel is held under gets war decced then I'll let anyone and everyone assist in defending it. |
Tiberius Hardinus
Frontier Excavation Combine Red Squad Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.03.30 20:01:06 -
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Don't do it! It is a trap! |
Tiberius Hardinus
Frontier Excavation Combine Red Squad Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.03.30 20:02:55 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:lolcorpholder alt wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Caldari Lanyaie wrote:Why would I want to use your large citadel? Why would I trust putting my stuff into a random guy's large citadel. If I am putting my stuff into someone's citadel, it'd better be an XL citadel. Your large citadel would just be an easy target for any small group once it becomes known that people are using it as a "hub" XL citadels as far as I'm aware will not be allowed in high sec, from what I've seen so far large citadels will be able to hold up against most small groups. It sounds like you'd need to see the citadel in action before you took the risk of using it as a hub which is exactly why I'm making this post. Even if I don't manage to get the support, I'm hoping that this post/other posts will encourage someone who is more well known such as chribba to undertake the project. What stops you from just packing up your citadel/revoking rights from everyone else to do anything there? Nothing stops me doing that, people would have to trust me, as time goes on i'm sure people will trust me. Saying that i'm pretty sure there's already a lot of people that trust me enough to seed the citadel. Young Metro doesn't trust you. |
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Stoseph Stuarts
Titan Singularity
45
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Posted - 2016.03.30 20:21:32 -
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Tiberius Hardinus wrote:Don't do it! It is a trap! this guy is just a troll guys so don't worry about him, it's an alt of one of my good mates, he thinks he's being funny when in all honesty he's not -.- |
erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
420
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Posted - 2016.03.31 08:34:56 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:lolcorpholder alt wrote:
What stops you from just packing up your citadel/revoking rights from everyone else to do anything there?
Nothing stops me doing that, people would have to trust me, as time goes on i'm sure people will trust me. Saying that i'm pretty sure there's already a lot of people that trust me enough to seed the citadel.
Get Chribba or other players with +5.1 (or bigger) security status on this and ppl will trust even your trade post.
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Tempus Halley
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.04.07 02:56:39 -
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I would be in as an investor (5 billion) and a member of the guard fleet.
Instead of being totally broker free, I would recommend a small broker fee (.5%). It would first be used to pay fuel costs and such and once you had a 3 month reserve, the amount over that would be split among initial investors (minimum 1 billion invested). This would encourage buy-in by most merchants on the off chance that the citadel market is a big hit. The fact they would get a cut of the broker would encourage them to move their trading to the citadel. This might be the push necessary to get market citadel to critical mass.
Ultimately, if items for sale in a Citadel are not visible from the normal Regional Market and you can not place regional buy orders in a Citadel, it will be a very steep slope to get people to come and buy/sell at them.
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Cista2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2016.04.07 05:57:06 -
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Tempus Halley wrote: Ultimately, if items for sale in a Citadel are not visible from the normal Regional Market and you can not place regional buy orders in a Citadel, it will be a very steep slope to get people to come and buy/sell at them.
Is there official word on these matters?
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Tempus Halley
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.04.07 23:21:17 -
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Cista2 wrote:Tempus Halley wrote: Ultimately, if items for sale in a Citadel are not visible from the normal Regional Market and you can not place regional buy orders in a Citadel, it will be a very steep slope to get people to come and buy/sell at them.
Is there official word on these matters? I heard that in the scc-lounge chat channel in game. |
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