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Unstoppable Halfwit
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.04.03 10:50:47 -
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so i have been doing some solo or duo which i find very fun.
i take my ship out and i know i'm dead and take on fights i know that i will lose because i just want the thrill of fighting back.
then comes jams and kill my experience completely where nothing can be done all i wanted is to fight back not to win just have the fun of the fight.
its not like damps or distruptures where i can try to do something with my piloting to counter it.
i understand jams are part of the game and how useful it is in big fleet fights but it completely shut down the solo or very small gang.
so here is my idea.
ships will have a very high base sensor strength the more people join in the fleet the sensor strength becomes weaker.
what will that do will make it very hard to jam a solo who have no means to counter yet still allowing to jam big fleets where there are other means to counter and fight back.
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Kyra Lee
Ixian Machines TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
75
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Posted - 2016.04.03 11:01:46 -
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Unstoppable Halfwit wrote:so i have been doing some solo or duo which i find very fun.
i take my ship out and i know i'm dead and take on fights i know that i will lose because i just want the thrill of fighting back.
then comes jams and kill my experience completely where nothing can be done all i wanted is to fight back not to win just have the fun of the fight.
its not like damps or distruptures where i can try to do something with my piloting to counter it.
i understand jams are part of the game and how useful it is in big fleet fights but it completely shut down the solo or very small gang.
so here is my idea.
ships will have a very high base sensor strength the more people join in the fleet the sensor strength becomes weaker.
what will that do will make it very hard to jam a solo who have no means to counter yet still allowing to jam big fleets where there are other means to counter and fight back.
You should check out the newly balanced sensor modules. Many of them included things like built in ECCM and such. There is also the option of bringing friends, fitting your own jammers, using FOF missiles or drones, or avoiding those fights. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.04.03 11:32:45 -
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Unstoppable Halfwit wrote:so i have been doing some solo or duo which i find very fun.
i take my ship out and i know i'm dead and take on fights i know that i will lose because i just want the thrill of fighting back.
then comes jams and kill my experience completely where nothing can be done all i wanted is to fight back not to win just have the fun of the fight.
its not like damps or distruptures where i can try to do something with my piloting to counter it.
i understand jams are part of the game and how useful it is in big fleet fights but it completely shut down the solo or very small gang.
so here is my idea.
ships will have a very high base sensor strength the more people join in the fleet the sensor strength becomes weaker.
what will that do will make it very hard to jam a solo who have no means to counter yet still allowing to jam big fleets where there are other means to counter and fight back.
What you're looking for is called ECCM, or Electronic Counter Counter Measures.
Alternately, you could learn which ships jam and avoid fights with those ships. Only half a dozen or so ships get bonuses to ECM, and without those bonuses, ECMs are pretty much worthless.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Unstoppable Halfwit
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.04.03 13:22:44 -
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i'm fully aware of ECCM new updates. and i know all jam ships
for the avoid part of course i do that but they are always cloacked or they have one guy to hold you until the ECM ship show up. and that is fine
if you did a bet of soloing and when i say soloing here i mean No links no scout you will understand that as a solo ship you are the tackle and you are the DPS and on top of that what you suggist is that you are to fit ECCM.
which i did btw at great expense to my ship dps or tank and yet it was not enough
https://zkillboard.com/kill/52977441/
I'm in a BS with lvl V Radar compensation skill and signal amp and a single blackbird was able to completely shut me down and he was not even using the right module for ammar.
he only missed his jam once at the very end when there is nothing to be done.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4332
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Posted - 2016.04.03 13:28:38 -
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...Yes, a dedicated and bonused ECM bote is going to jam you.
No, this is not a problem, fit ECCM, use drones, stop deluding yourself about soloing.
Please explain why you feel you should be able to instantly win against anyone who tries to use ECM against you purely because you didn't bring friends. |
Unstoppable Halfwit
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.04.03 13:44:19 -
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i did not say win i said have a fighting chance to do something about it. i did not say because i'm solo i'm totally immune to jams
also how do you use drones if you cant lock at the first place unless the drones by some decide to agress him.
and i did fit some form of ECCM which was not enough even when the blackbird was using the wrong type of ECM on me.
what i'm suggesting is to provide a better diversity in play styles available as in if you feel this day you want to solo here are some advantages and when you want to play with other people also here are more advantages
and remember when you have a friend with you automatically get fleet bonuses |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4333
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Posted - 2016.04.03 14:08:43 -
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But this doesn't provide a diversity in fleet styles at all, it just flat out deletes ECM from the equation. |
Unstoppable Halfwit
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.04.03 14:21:51 -
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yes so for fleets nothing really changes but it opens the door for more solo action so every one is happy
and no it will not delete ECM remember i'm saying have high starting point of resistance so the ECM pilot need put more effort to be more successful in applying his ECM rather than just warp at max range and apply all types of jams and job done |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3168
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Posted - 2016.04.03 14:28:56 -
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your basically asking for special treatment because you fly solo. Always a no.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Unstoppable Halfwit
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.04.03 14:37:57 -
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but you do get special treatment because you are in a fleet even if that guy is not with you on grid
so if you are solo here is a little something to help you out.
if you are in a fleet you get fleet boosters and links at an extremely low risk
so i still don't see why not?
the solo guy is alone facing multiple targets alone and you are worried your going to put bet more effort to jam him?
he has no boosters no one will warp to him out of no where and surprise you dose not seem like a big advantage |
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3168
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Posted - 2016.04.03 15:52:43 -
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boosts should die in a fire. But aside from that, your idea allows me to fly 'solo', but with a booster in system and benefit from both.
You want this mechanic because you dont like ECM when you fly solo. Thats hardly compelling and is similar to complaints about the enemy bringing blobs of RR, or loki webs and hot dropping etc. Many group mechanics can make you feel helpless when you're alone. That doesn't mean there's a problem though, E-war by its very nature is powerful against the few.
I think the root of the problem is not that you are solo, its the mechanic of ECM thats the problem. And you wouldnt be alone for thinking so.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Iain Cariaba
2883
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Posted - 2016.04.03 16:12:29 -
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Unstoppable Halfwit wrote:i did not say win i said have a fighting chance to do something about it. i did not say because i'm solo i'm totally immune to jams If you miss 2-3 cycles of jamming while flying a Blackbird, you're going to die. It really is that simple. ECM boats are about as squishy as you can get due to having to devote mid slots to ECM instead of fitting a tank. Your getting a boost to sensor strength simply because you are solo simply means that the Blackbird pilot is going to die against you.
Unstoppable Halfwit wrote:also how do you use drones if you cant lock at the first place unless the drones by some decide to agress him. Set them to agressive and pop them out as soon as you see hostiles on overview.
Unstoppable Halfwit wrote:and i did fit some form of ECCM which was not enough even when the blackbird was using the wrong type of ECM on me. Due to the RNG method that ECM uses to determine if it effects you, it's likely that the gravimetric one was simply the first one active. It's quite unlikely that you were perma-jammed by a gravimetric ECM module while flying an Amarr ship. Any half-way competent blackbird pilot fits multiple types of ECM. Remember that focused ECM modules are not ineffective against other sensor types, simply less effective.
Unstoppable Halfwit wrote:what i'm suggesting is to provide a better diversity in play styles available as in if you feel this day you want to solo here are some advantages and when you want to play with other people also here are more advantages No, you're suggesting a major nerf to ECM for no other reason than you're butthurt over losing a ship.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Unstoppable Halfwit
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.04.03 16:16:43 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:boosts should die in a fire. But aside from that, your idea allows me to fly 'solo', but with a booster in system and benefit from both..
i think you misunderstood me here or maybe i explained it wrong
what i mean if your solo you get a natural high signal strength
the moment you join a fleet of any kind your signal strength is lowered which means you don't get the benefit of both
ether you get the solo high signal strength or you get the fleet and boosters bonuses not both.
and as you said the ECM mechanic is a problem and what i'm suggesting is just an idea on how to deal with it with out a big change like removing it for example
what i'm suggesting is not only for solo. In away i'm saying the bigger your fleet is the more susceptible to ECM you are but in the other hand since you are in a big fleet you have other means to deal with it. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4334
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Posted - 2016.04.03 16:31:41 -
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Unstoppable Halfwit wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:boosts should die in a fire. But aside from that, your idea allows me to fly 'solo', but with a booster in system and benefit from both.. i think you misunderstood me here or maybe i explained it wrong what i mean if your solo you get a natural high signal strength the moment you join a fleet of any kind your signal strength is lowered which means you don't get the benefit of both ether you get the solo high signal strength or you get the fleet and boosters bonuses not both. and as you said the ECM mechanic is a problem and what i'm suggesting is just an idea on how to deal with it with out a big change like removing it for example what i'm suggesting is not only for solo. In away i'm saying the bigger your fleet is the more susceptible to ECM you are but in the other hand since you are in a big fleet you have other means to deal with it.
Fly with boosts till you find an ECM bote, them drop fleet to kill it. |
Unstoppable Halfwit
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.04.03 16:44:22 -
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that can be easily solved by timers
and u know you can just use sensor integrity links so no need to drop really
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Battlingbean
Star Frontiers Brotherhood of Spacers
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Posted - 2016.04.03 20:41:56 -
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No.
One of my favorite game mechanics is being slowly deleted from the game because of whiny cry babies such as yourself. If you are dumb enough to get into such an unfavorable fight you do not deserve a GÇÿfighting chanceGÇÖ.
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
589
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Posted - 2016.04.03 22:41:30 -
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Personally I find that when I come across too many jams, by simply bringing some peanut butter it compliments it nicely.
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Iain Cariaba
2884
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Posted - 2016.04.03 23:46:51 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Personally I find that when I come across too many jams, by simply bringing some peanut butter it compliments it nicely. If there's too much jams on you, are you then toast?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1778
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Posted - 2016.04.04 23:58:52 -
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lol if you think jams are bad i hope you don't come up against damps
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Teddy KGB
Crushing Power of Gallente Galaxy Spiritus
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Posted - 2016.04.05 02:00:13 -
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ECM is a real problem for solo pilots 100%. Donno if its possible to solve this very narrow problem by changing mechanics. As for me wasting mid slot for eccm is a sacrilege, so i solved this problem by using a cheap low-grade sensor implant sets. like Spur implants for gallente ships. it costs about 50-70 m with omega and giving a good sensors boost. especially for frigates as it adds +1 to base sensors, so your skills works after base ammount of sensor strength. Try to play with it, maybe will help you. fly safe o/ |
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