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Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.04.04 23:44:53 -
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Hey everyone,
So I am looking to replace my Rattlesnake that I use for a few level 5's here and there and was wondering if anyone had a Vargur fit that would work for level 5's. I'm just looking for something that will chew threw non-carrier missions since right now I only have 1 character as a faction puller.
If their is another ship that can be better than a Vargur but not capital would love to know and what fit it would be!
Thanks in advance!
-Maykid |
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
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Posted - 2016.04.05 05:41:47 -
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Marauders can do 5's but isn't good option. Gankers will find you and will eat you when your ship in bastion |
Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.04.05 13:48:58 -
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Then which ship do you suggest to upgrade from the Rattlesnake? Or should I just train another character for Rattlesnake and run dual Rattles for non-carrier missions? I'm just trying to find an option that isn't dependent on cap since some missions have capital neut rays.
My drone skills are very high, my missile skills are high, and gunnery skills are too. Just trying to figure out another option other than 1 Rattle to run non-capital missions that can tank the missions and still complete them in a timely fashion. I know the Vargur is an insane PvE ship but the only downside is the bastion mode. But I found a relatively low populated area to run missions.
Thanks in advance,
-Maykid |
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.04.05 17:14:39 -
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Maykid Achilles wrote:Then which ship do you suggest to upgrade from the Rattlesnake? Or should I just train another character for Rattlesnake and run dual Rattles for non-carrier missions? I'm just trying to find an option that isn't dependent on cap since some missions have capital neut rays.
My drone skills are very high, my missile skills are high, and gunnery skills are too. Just trying to figure out another option other than 1 Rattle to run non-capital missions that can tank the missions and still complete them in a timely fashion. I know the Vargur is an insane PvE ship but the only downside is the bastion mode. But I found a relatively low populated area to run missions.
Thanks in advance,
-Maykid
While I do not have a fit handy at work, I would start with a C5 solo fit and refit the tank to be rat specific. For gated missions, I would warp in then micro jump out 100km from the beacon (more than likely an arty fit at this point). Mobile depot allows you to refit (for now till the patch changes that).
Keep in mind that unless you are seriously pimping your snakes, you could buy two of those for a pimped marauder. |
Andrew Urbina
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.04.07 02:42:55 -
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Dual rattle can clear 5s, omitting cap missions. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.04.07 06:52:26 -
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carrier or dual rattlers
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.04.07 12:43:58 -
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Don't let the neuts scare you.
The fun (and survivable) way to do lvl 5 missions with sub caps is to use a ship that generates so much excess cap and shields that neither capital neuts nor lvl 5 missions dps can kill it. This can be done with Maelstroms and Tengus and probably other ships.
This guy did it with a lot of bling, but it doesn't take that much, though a full high grade crystal set and +6 cap hardwirings are necessary imo. A pretty Standard "RegenGu" can do lvl 5s, I'm doing one right now in fact |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.04.07 12:54:17 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Don't let the neuts scare you. The fun (and survivable) way to do lvl 5 missions with sub caps is to use a ship that generates so much excess cap and shields that neither capital neuts nor lvl 5 missions dps can kill it. This can be done with Maelstroms and Tengus and probably other ships. This guy did it with a lot of bling (except for one or 2 mistakes he proably could have killed those guys and lived), but it doesn't take that much ship bling, though pilot bling in the form of a full high grade crystal set and +6 cap hardwirings are necessary imo. A pretty Standard " RegenGu" can do lvl 5s, I'm doing one right now in fact .
wouldnt mind seeing the tengu fit if your doing 5's with it
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.04.07 13:26:52 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Don't let the neuts scare you. The fun (and survivable) way to do lvl 5 missions with sub caps is to use a ship that generates so much excess cap and shields that neither capital neuts nor lvl 5 missions dps can kill it. This can be done with Maelstroms and Tengus and probably other ships. This guy did it with a lot of bling (except for one or 2 mistakes he proably could have killed those guys and lived), but it doesn't take that much ship bling, though pilot bling in the form of a full high grade crystal set and +6 cap hardwirings are necessary imo. A pretty Standard " RegenGu" can do lvl 5s, I'm doing one right now in fact . wouldnt mind seeing the tengu fit if your doing 5's with it
[Tengu, 5th Dimension] Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Thukker Large Cap Battery Cap Recharger II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Scourge Fury Light Missile x8000 Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x8000
About 1.8 bil for the ship, of -3 hours of lvl 5 mission blitzing if you know what to do. Implants may be pricey, but all of it pays off in a short amount of time.
+ partial high grade crystal set (all but the omega), 2 + 6% cap hardwirings, and 3 +5% missile hardwirings (missile range, light missile damage and rate of fire) it tanks 2000+ dps vs everything except angels/minmatar (for angels/minmatar, use explosive rather than em hardener), generates enough cap to laugh at THREE CAPITAL NEUTS (I know of one mission with more than 3) and does 630 peak dps (only 340 sustained because of reload, but you should be cherry picking blitzable mission anyways).
The ONLY problem i ever have is missile range in the few missions with far off web towers. They can't kill my ship, but they slow everything down to a crawl, best to avoid those imo.
Edit, blue pill and crash drugs are nice, beware the cap penalty that is possible with blue pill. |
Gary Bell
Herp Inc.dot Darwinism.
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Posted - 2016.04.10 13:38:06 -
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Passive tank, Duel Ancil boosting Golem and or Vargur can do missions pretty easily.. These things just take FOREVER.. cherry picking the carrier missions are always a better idea.. Or have some friends come along and pay you for the LP you share so you can help them get mission standings up.
PS.. Most people who do fives control where they live.. so getting ganked usually doesent happen much if at all.. and Two.. aside from a well thought out gang have you ever seen what happens to a small gang of "gankers" in a lvl five.. Warp in 2 or 3 people into a fortress.. lol the missioner will get your loot and finish the mission.. |
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Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
6
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Posted - 2016.04.11 02:02:07 -
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So dual rattlers can do the missions that are sub-cap missions.
Question about the Tengu, can that run it solo? Seems a little iffy to me, but then again all I've ran for missions are rattlers and thanny's. Just trying to find a comfortable measure so I don't have to decline a few missions and have to wait 4 hours until I can decline again when my standings fluctuate when I decline multiple missions in a row.
Now this is just me theory crafting in my head which might work and might not, but could you do a level 5 with one character going in a Vargur and another character in a rattler?
-Maykid |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5031
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Posted - 2016.04.11 04:03:01 -
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Most L5s are an absolute grind under the best of circumstances, and the ships and fits you'll see players utilize are geared towards the 'blitzable' L5s where you only have to destroy a minimum of objectives to complete. The answer to your first question is yes, but this really depends on how much you're willing to risk in the endeavor. As to your second question, yes - but has been previously pointed out - Bastion equates to almost certain death if you get caught.
Selective L5s with a solo "RegenGu" is a better choice.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2641
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Posted - 2016.04.11 08:05:52 -
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Maykid Achilles wrote:So dual rattlers can do the missions that are sub-cap missions.
Question about the Tengu, can that run it solo? Seems a little iffy to me, but then again all I've ran for missions are rattlers and thanny's. Just trying to find a comfortable measure so I don't have to decline a few missions and have to wait 4 hours until I can decline again when my standings fluctuate when I decline multiple missions in a row.
Now this is just me theory crafting in my head which might work and might not, but could you do a level 5 with one character going in a Vargur and another character in a rattler?
-Maykid
a solo rattler works for some of them, i dont dual box so i had to make do with 1 rattler, it can be time consuming but doable, as said the key is finding the ones to blitz, ive not tried the tengu but it seems pretty interesting.
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Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.04.11 13:41:15 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Maykid Achilles wrote:So dual rattlers can do the missions that are sub-cap missions.
Question about the Tengu, can that run it solo? Seems a little iffy to me, but then again all I've ran for missions are rattlers and thanny's. Just trying to find a comfortable measure so I don't have to decline a few missions and have to wait 4 hours until I can decline again when my standings fluctuate when I decline multiple missions in a row.
Now this is just me theory crafting in my head which might work and might not, but could you do a level 5 with one character going in a Vargur and another character in a rattler?
-Maykid a solo rattler works for some of them, i dont dual box so i had to make do with 1 rattler, it can be time consuming but doable, as said the key is finding the ones to blitz, ive not tried the tengu but it seems pretty interesting.
Do you have a fit for the rattler you are using? Mine for some missions just gets rocked left and right by some lvl 5 missions even with passive amplifiers against there damage.
And I might have to give the Regengu a shot, even though it is expensive it looks very interesting to try out! Especially if you can solo some lvl 5's with it. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.04.11 14:01:13 -
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ill post the fit later as im at work just now but yes its a full passive cruise rattlesnake with a mjd, no damage mods in the lows (you carry mobile depot and the damage mods in cargo so when you feel you are over tanking you can switch out the passive lows for the damage mods) sniper sentries seem to work best for me, dont get me wrong its not easy and you have to keep your eye on the ball and may have to gtfo sometimes, but a lot cheaper than the tengu
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Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.04.11 15:56:26 -
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Lan Wang wrote:ill post the fit later as im at work just now but yes its a full passive cruise rattlesnake with a mjd, no damage mods in the lows (you carry mobile depot and the damage mods in cargo so when you feel you are over tanking you can switch out the passive lows for the damage mods) sniper sentries seem to work best for me, dont get me wrong its not easy and you have to keep your eye on the ball and may have to gtfo sometimes, but a lot cheaper than the tengu
Awesome! My Rattlesnake that I use is as follows:
Highs 4x Cruise Missile Launcher II 2x Drone Link Augmentor II
Med 2x Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender 1x Sensor Booster II 1x Pithum B-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier (Mission specific) 2x Pithum B-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier (Mission specific) 1x Large Micro Jump Drive
Low 3x Shield Power Relay II 3x Drone Damage Amplifier II Rig Slot 3x Large Core Defense Field Purger II Charges 1,182x Scourge Cruise Missile 8,048x Inferno Cruise Missile
Drones 5x Warrior II 3x Warden II 3x Garde II
Any suggestions on how to tweak this fit would be good! I'm always up for making ships better! |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2650
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Posted - 2016.04.11 16:36:46 -
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[Rattlesnake, lvl 5 Rattlesnake] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II Shield Recharger II Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Large Micro Jump Drive
Drone Link Augmentor II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Hobgoblin II x5 Warden II x2 Curator II x2 Gecko x1
Inferno Fury Cruise Missile x855 Inferno Precision Cruise Missile x254 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x1273 Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile x15 Optimal Range Script x2 Tracking Speed Script x1 Scan Resolution Script x1
Lows would have a full rack of shield power relays in cargo with mobile depot, you can also bling out the mids for fairly cheap, faction shield extender, recharger and b/a type shield amps
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.04.11 17:47:11 -
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Went to SiSi, went wild.
Step One, go to sis and get moved to a system where you have a level 5 agent.
Step Two, get partial high grade crystals set (slots 1-5) + two +5% cap hardwirings (EO-605 and EM-805). you can put missile hardwirings in slots 7, 9 and 10 if you want.
Step 3 make sure you have the 2 main cap skills to 5
Step 4:
[Rattlesnake, RegenSnake] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Power Diagnostic System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Thukker Large Cap Battery Thukker Large Cap Battery Large Micro Jump Drive
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Curator II x2 Vespa EC-600 x5 Bouncer II x3 Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile x6000 Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile x6000 Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I x2000 Inferno Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I x2000 Scourge Fury Heavy Missile x5000
(add drone link II , forgot it on eft)
Step 5 is pick your jaw up off the floor because you just did lvl 5 missions in a cap stable neut proof active tanked battleship
AVOID the lvl 5 mission "Honor" at all cost (it spawns 5 Sentry 2s along with the 2 sentry IIIs). There are 2 othe rmissions to avoid but i cn't remember them, check eve survival (basically any mission with mroe than 2 sentry IIIs or those + more than 2 sentry IIs, there are only 3 level 5 missions that do this).
I haven't done this on Tranq of course, just wanted to see if it works. It works, and the fit even has enough over-cap that you always have cap to MJD at any time even under lvl 5 neut pressure. Pay attention and you are basically uncatchable in the mission itself.
Edit: works with cruise missiles too. |
Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
6
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Posted - 2016.04.11 17:53:37 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Don't let the neuts scare you. The fun (and survivable) way to do lvl 5 missions with sub caps is to use a ship that generates so much excess cap and shields that neither capital neuts nor lvl 5 missions dps can kill it. This can be done with Maelstroms and Tengus and probably other ships. This guy did it with a lot of bling (except for one or 2 mistakes he proably could have killed those guys and lived), but it doesn't take that much ship bling, though pilot bling in the form of a full high grade crystal set and +6 cap hardwirings are necessary imo. A pretty Standard " RegenGu" can do lvl 5s, I'm doing one right now in fact . wouldnt mind seeing the tengu fit if your doing 5's with it [Tengu, 5th Dimension] Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Thukker Large Cap Battery Cap Recharger II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Scourge Fury Light Missile x8000 Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x8000 About 1.8 bil for the ship, of -3 hours of lvl 5 mission blitzing if you know what to do. Implants may be pricey, but all of it pays off in a short amount of time. + partial high grade crystal set (all but the omega), 2 + 6% cap hardwirings, and 3 +5% missile hardwirings (missile range, light missile damage and rate of fire) it tanks 2000+ dps vs everything except angels/minmatar (for angels/minmatar, use explosive rather than em hardener), generates enough cap to laugh at THREE CAPITAL NEUTS (I know of one mission with more than 3) and does 630 peak dps (only 340 sustained because of reload, but you should be cherry picking blitzable mission anyways). The ONLY problem i ever have is missile range in the few missions with far off web towers. They can't kill my ship, but they slow everything down to a crawl, best to avoid those imo. Edit, blue pill and crash drugs are nice, beware the cap penalty that is possible with blue pill.
Quick question about the Tengu fit, would it be possible to exchange the gist x-type x-large booster with a pith x-type x-large booster? I see on Pyfa that it'll make the Tengu 20% cap stable, but could that work or does it have to be a gist x-type to make it work?
Thanks
-Maykid |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
13889
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Posted - 2016.04.11 18:15:00 -
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Maykid Achilles wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Don't let the neuts scare you. The fun (and survivable) way to do lvl 5 missions with sub caps is to use a ship that generates so much excess cap and shields that neither capital neuts nor lvl 5 missions dps can kill it. This can be done with Maelstroms and Tengus and probably other ships. This guy did it with a lot of bling (except for one or 2 mistakes he proably could have killed those guys and lived), but it doesn't take that much ship bling, though pilot bling in the form of a full high grade crystal set and +6 cap hardwirings are necessary imo. A pretty Standard " RegenGu" can do lvl 5s, I'm doing one right now in fact . wouldnt mind seeing the tengu fit if your doing 5's with it [Tengu, 5th Dimension] Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Thukker Large Cap Battery Cap Recharger II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Scourge Fury Light Missile x8000 Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x8000 About 1.8 bil for the ship, of -3 hours of lvl 5 mission blitzing if you know what to do. Implants may be pricey, but all of it pays off in a short amount of time. + partial high grade crystal set (all but the omega), 2 + 6% cap hardwirings, and 3 +5% missile hardwirings (missile range, light missile damage and rate of fire) it tanks 2000+ dps vs everything except angels/minmatar (for angels/minmatar, use explosive rather than em hardener), generates enough cap to laugh at THREE CAPITAL NEUTS (I know of one mission with more than 3) and does 630 peak dps (only 340 sustained because of reload, but you should be cherry picking blitzable mission anyways). The ONLY problem i ever have is missile range in the few missions with far off web towers. They can't kill my ship, but they slow everything down to a crawl, best to avoid those imo. Edit, blue pill and crash drugs are nice, beware the cap penalty that is possible with blue pill. Quick question about the Tengu fit, would it be possible to exchange the gist x-type x-large booster with a pith x-type x-large booster? I see on Pyfa that it'll make the Tengu 20% cap stable, but could that work or does it have to be a gist x-type to make it work? Thanks -Maykid
The fit (that I stole from Lazarus Telraven on Reddit lol) originally had a pith. The Gist makes it a whole lot easier to tank captial lvl energy neuts. Basically, a Pith booster is still cap stable with extra cap left over, but lower the amount of energy neuts you can counter.
I've always used Gist, but when I have more time I'll go back to SiSi and try it with a Pith.
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Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
6
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Posted - 2016.04.11 20:52:22 -
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Alright I will try the Gist just because it can handle more neuts. But let me know if the Pith is worth it too since on Pyfa with the pith it repairs more than the Gist.
Let me know! |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
13891
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Posted - 2016.04.12 01:05:56 -
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Maykid Achilles wrote:Alright I will try the Gist just because it can handle more neuts. But let me know if the Pith is worth it too since on Pyfa with the pith it repairs more than the Gist.
Let me know!
With that fit, max skills and 2 +5% cap hardwiring, the gist fit can tank 3 Sentry III (capital) energy neuts (these neuts 40 GJs oer second, so to stay stable you need to generate 120 GJ above your ships cap needs)). The pith fit can only tank 2 (80 GJ). Most missions only have the 2 capital neuts but a few can spawn 1 or 2 Sentry II.
The pith fit would be in serious trouble in the missions that spawn extra neuts , the Gist verion is much more survivable. On the tank side, mid )or better yet, high) grade crystals (all but the omegas) are a must to get your tank up above 2100 to 2200 dps tanked.
In other words, you can't cheap out when it comes to this if you want to succeed. The whole point is a super tough ship that won't die and that will pay for itself easily. |
Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.04.12 02:39:04 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Maykid Achilles wrote:Alright I will try the Gist just because it can handle more neuts. But let me know if the Pith is worth it too since on Pyfa with the pith it repairs more than the Gist.
Let me know! With that fit, max skills and 2 +5% cap hardwiring, the gist fit can tank 3 Sentry III (capital) energy neuts (these neuts 40 GJs oer second, so to stay stable you need to generate 120 GJ above your ships cap needs)). The pith fit can only tank 2 (80 GJ). Most missions only have the 2 capital neuts but a few can spawn 1 or 2 Sentry II. The pith fit would be in serious trouble in the missions that spawn extra neuts , the Gist verion is much more survivable. On the tank side, mid )or better yet, high) grade crystals (all but the omegas) are a must to get your tank up above 2100 to 2200 dps tanked. In other words, you can't cheap out when it comes to this if you want to succeed. The whole point is a super tough ship that won't die and that will pay for itself easily.
Got so you need the 2 +5% cap hardwiring implants and all but the Omega Crystal set for the Tengu to efficiently work?
Also second question, for the Crystal set does it have to be high-grade or can you downsize it to mid-grade just for isk? From what I see it's only a difference of 100 tank with the Gist shield booster. Would you suggest that it would be okay with the mid-grade crystals then? Or need to go high-grade? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2016.04.12 14:29:03 -
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Maykid Achilles wrote:
Got so you need the 2 +5% cap hardwiring implants and all but the Omega Crystal set for the Tengu to efficiently work?
Also second question, for the Crystal set does it have to be high-grade or can you downsize it to mid-grade just for isk? From what I see it's only a difference of 100 tank with the Gist shield booster. Would you suggest that it would be okay with the mid-grade crystals then? Or need to go high-grade?
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You can use Mid grade, high grade is better. The main principle here is that you don't want to take any chances because of isk. In high sec lvl 4 missioning it's ok to say "well, I will use this because it's cheaper than that" and therefor more cost effective. in lvl 5 missioning (which is always in low sec), EVERY little bit counts. And blitzed lvl 5s are so lucrative, you make the isk investment back very soon.
The mid grades will do, the high grades help you better if you (for example) get caught in a mission by other players. You want as much cap and tank as you can not just for the mission, but for dealing with other players (with enough cap and tank you can survive long enough for npc aggro to switch, letting the npcs help kill your enemy or at least help you get away).
Also as soon as possible make sure your thermo dynamics skill and your racial tech3 cruiser skill get to 5, being able to overheat is not necessary for the mission, but it will save your ship if you get caught in a mission.
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Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
6
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Posted - 2016.04.12 15:30:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Maykid Achilles wrote:
Got so you need the 2 +5% cap hardwiring implants and all but the Omega Crystal set for the Tengu to efficiently work?
Also second question, for the Crystal set does it have to be high-grade or can you downsize it to mid-grade just for isk? From what I see it's only a difference of 100 tank with the Gist shield booster. Would you suggest that it would be okay with the mid-grade crystals then? Or need to go high-grade?
' You can use Mid grade, high grade is better. The main principle here is that you don't want to take any chances because of isk. In high sec lvl 4 missioning it's ok to say "well, I will use this because it's cheaper than that" and therefor more cost effective. in lvl 5 missioning (which is always in low sec), EVERY little bit counts. And blitzed lvl 5s are so lucrative, you make the isk investment back very soon. The mid grades will do, the high grades help you better if you (for example) get caught in a mission by other players. You want as much cap and tank as you can not just for the mission, but for dealing with other players (with enough cap and tank you can survive long enough for npc aggro to switch, letting the npcs help kill your enemy or at least help you get away). Also as soon as possible make sure your thermo dynamics skill and your racial tech3 cruiser skill get to 5, being able to overheat is not necessary for the mission, but it will save your ship if you get caught in a mission.
Alright noted. So I will go with dual rattlers and carrier missions until I'm able to fund the high-grade crystal set and then try out the Tengu and see how that goes. Looks pretty nice after I bought everything for the Tengu! Can't wait to give it a shot. |
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atomic killer
Yaro Corporation
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Posted - 2016.04.13 20:15:03 -
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guys, what is the best race to run lvl5 missions for ? Tried for Amarr and they give missions against Miinmatar, and they are nightmare to tank because of omni damage. |
Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.04.14 12:46:12 -
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atomic killer wrote:guys, what is the best race to run lvl5 missions for ?
Tried using Regengu (with HAM's) for Amarr agent....did first few missions Location 1 (takes a while), Wrath of Angels (very easy), Oust the claimjumpers (takes a long time)...
Thanks a lot to Jenn aSide for a suggestions about fitting.
It's really up to you what race to fly. Rattlesnakes are good but you need to warp out every now and then or you might die... Minmattar ships are good too because weapon type doesn't use cap at all so you might be able to find a good fit that will tank out the neuts if you'reand active tank.
So really Caldari or Minmattar are your choices unless you dual box and can dual RR domi. Otherwise it's carriers and any carrier can do them, I've seen Archon, Thanatos, Chimeras and heard of Nids do it as well.
It's up to you if you and what ship you want. I also heard the nighthawk is good too. |
atomic killer
Yaro Corporation
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Posted - 2016.04.14 12:51:10 -
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Maykid Achilles wrote:atomic killer wrote:guys, what is the best race to run lvl5 missions for ?
Tried using Regengu (with HAM's) for Amarr agent....did first few missions Location 1 (takes a while), Wrath of Angels (very easy), Oust the claimjumpers (takes a long time)...
Thanks a lot to Jenn aSide for a suggestions about fitting. It's really up to you what race to fly. Rattlesnakes are good but you need to warp out every now and then or you might die... Minmattar ships are good too because weapon type doesn't use cap at all so you might be able to find a good fit that will tank out the neuts if you'reand active tank. So really Caldari or Minmattar are your choices unless you dual box and can dual RR domi. Otherwise it's carriers and any carrier can do them, I've seen Archon, Thanatos, Chimeras and heard of Nids do it as well. It's up to you if you and what ship you want. I also heard the nighthawk is good too.
Sorry m8, I probably asked this question incorrectly.
I meant what agent race is the best for Lvl5 mission running ? |
Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.04.15 17:42:13 -
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atomic killer wrote:Maykid Achilles wrote:atomic killer wrote:guys, what is the best race to run lvl5 missions for ?
Tried using Regengu (with HAM's) for Amarr agent....did first few missions Location 1 (takes a while), Wrath of Angels (very easy), Oust the claimjumpers (takes a long time)...
Thanks a lot to Jenn aSide for a suggestions about fitting. It's really up to you what race to fly. Rattlesnakes are good but you need to warp out every now and then or you might die... Minmattar ships are good too because weapon type doesn't use cap at all so you might be able to find a good fit that will tank out the neuts if you'reand active tank. So really Caldari or Minmattar are your choices unless you dual box and can dual RR domi. Otherwise it's carriers and any carrier can do them, I've seen Archon, Thanatos, Chimeras and heard of Nids do it as well. It's up to you if you and what ship you want. I also heard the nighthawk is good too. Sorry m8, I probably asked this question incorrectly. I meant what agent race is the best for Lvl5 mission running ?
I've heard of people doing Gallente and Caldari mostly. Not many from what I hear do Minmattar or Amarr |
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