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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
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Posted - 2016.04.16 15:51:45 -
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In this thread I learned "normal gameplay" is whatever Lucas deems is acceptable for others to do. Anything he disagrees with is cheating. We aren't actually in a sandbox, and creativity in gameplay should be punished, as it is clearly cheating.
Thank you for enlightening me. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3500
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Posted - 2016.04.16 16:16:27 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I think the advantages gained by IWI are significantly larger than the advantages given by jabber Yeah, this is stupid.
If you genuinely believe any large groups in this game could even exist without external organisation I have no idea what to tell you. No one is staying logged in 23 hours a day to try to work out when and where they are needed. Without that, a group using external means would steamroll them by being able to bring to bear forces that utterly overwhelm the "currently logged on" crew from the other side. It's such a non-starter it's asinine to even think it. But then this is your posting so.
The only reason you're able to say things like this and not realise they're utterly absurd is because you're mad about IWI and this is fair comment in your mind.
However this thread should have highlighted by now this thought is limited almost exclusively to your head.
By the way I can't reply for the next 813hours, as I am going to go fly around and manage POSes in-game using only ingame means. Then I will manually fly to every region and compare local prices.
Hopefully I will get there, I can't work out if my ship will align fast enough to be uncatchable as I just threw random parts onto a random hull and didn't use a fitting tool.
Lucas Kell wrote:IWI could literally pick any group and there not a damn thing anyone could do to stop them.
By the way this is a really, really silly notion.
Lucas Kell wrote:Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory
Citation needed. Your personal interpretation of the EULA is not law. Also, no one agrees with you. Even people being targeted right now by IWI.
Your interpretation is completely wrong, and would require the term "by any means". All IWI's money comes from people giving ISK to him in game.
I am at a loss as to how you can't understand the wording of the EULA. I'm also at a loss as to why you don't understand that CCP have ruled sites interacting with Eve in this way as OK.
"ThereGÇÖs a rich history of programs that reward players for their participation in games of chance and skill, and as long as they are above board weGÇÖre good with them." -- CCP Falcon
If your argument is one of scale, Somer made as much as IWI does on an on-going basis. So it's still a non-argument.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7483
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Posted - 2016.04.16 18:22:38 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:In this thread I learned "normal gameplay" is whatever Lucas deems is acceptable for others to do. Anything he disagrees with is cheating. We aren't actually in a sandbox, and creativity in gameplay should be punished, as it is clearly cheating. No, "normal gameplay" is what a player with no third party apps can do in the game. It's that way because CCP design their game to be played as is, by regular players with without third party apps.
Khanh'rhh wrote:If you genuinely believe any large groups in this game could even exist without external organisation I have no idea what to tell you. I didn't say they could, I simply said that the benefit given by running jabber pales in comparison to an applications acquiring trillions of isk. I really don't care if you want to pretend that's not the case, it's a simple fact.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Hopefully I will get there, I can't work out if my ship will align fast enough to be uncatchable as I just threw random parts onto a random hull and didn't use a fitting tool. ROFL because nobody was able to fit a ship prior to fitting tools.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Your interpretation is completely wrong, and would require the term "by any means". All IWI's money comes from people giving ISK to him in game. That doesn't matter, the rule is "acquire" not "generate". You know full well that the amount of isk he acquires with the app is significantly more than without the app, therefore the app facilitates that accelerated acquisition. That's basic logic.
Khanh'rhh wrote:I am at a loss as to how you can't understand the wording of the EULA. I'm also at a loss as to why you don't understand that CCP have ruled sites interacting with Eve in this way as OK. Care to share me where they rules this? Or are you taking the wild assumption that because they have't banned it yet, they have ruled it as OK (like they did with ISBoxer). You're also missing the point that their views change, and talking about it here on the forum is how we give CCP our opinions on it.
And yes, effectively all third party tools give an advantages, but what has been stated by CCP is "We may tolerate the use of applications or tools that enhance your enjoyment of the game. This is done at our discretion and only as long as no unfair advantages are gained by you or others by the use of said applications or tools" - CCP Grimmi. So it really comes down to whether or not they consider making more isk than a 40k character alliances is an unfair advantage. I think it is, you obviously don't. It's called a difference of opinion and they happen, and I'm not going to be silenced just because you want to troll (as you frequently do). So get over it.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3500
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Posted - 2016.04.16 23:43:49 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I didn't say they could, I simply said that the benefit given by running jabber pales in comparison to an applications acquiring trillions of isk. I really don't care if you want to pretend that's not the case, it's a simple fact So you are literally saying, with a straight face, that you think IWI is a 'bigger thing' than basically every organisation currently in the game.
Like you completely accept that the game as we know it wouldn't even exist without third party tools, but that IWI is still a bigger factor. Have I got this right.
Quote:ROFL because nobody was able to fit a ship prior to fitting tools Also this is another of your strawman arguments.
Quote: I think it is, you obviously don't. It's called a difference of opinion Dude. Come oooon. It's not 'trolling' to point out that you literally call the same thing both a fact, and an "opinion" all in the same post. You do it constantly, swinging between one and the other when it suits the reply to the cherry-picked quote you have chosen to reply to.
Do you even know you're doing it? Do you even read your posts through?
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
1001
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Posted - 2016.04.17 04:57:19 -
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Me: World War Bee?
Goon: War of Sov'less Agression.
Me: World War Bee.
Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
124
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Posted - 2016.04.17 05:34:07 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No, "normal gameplay" is what a player with no third party apps can do in the game. It's that way because CCP design their game to be played as is, by regular players with without third party apps.
You are roughly 120% wrong about this.
But hey, as I learned, whatever Lucas thinks the game should be like is the only acceptable definition of gameplay. Glad to know you know more than the rest of us mere mortals.
You are by far one of the least creative people I have interacted with in EVE so far. |
Mario Putzo
1655
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Posted - 2016.04.17 05:49:04 -
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ITT Lucas Kell can't understand how "Give Isk" function works, which is sad for an older EVE player.
Dear CCP please provide a tutorial for players to explain that GIVING Isk to a player is a choice of the player and not dependent on game mechanics. It is obvious the line is too blurry when long time EVE players fail to understand the difference between being GIVEN isk and acquiring isk.
I suggest a brief tutorial with an example, for simplicity sake have all new players give ISK to me, Mario Putzo. It will teach new folks isk transferring is done, and make me gorillions (hopefully) that is a win win! |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2016.04.17 05:58:30 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:I suggest a brief tutorial with an example, for simplicity sake have all new players give ISK to me, Mario Putzo. It will teach new folks isk transferring is done, and make me gorillions (hopefully) that is a win win! Tut tut Mario.
Don't you know that's cheating. That lets you acquire ISK at an accelarated rate compared ...... oh never mind. No it doesn't. |
Shayla Etherodyne
United Nations Industrial Holdings
14
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Posted - 2016.04.17 06:14:09 -
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Starrakatt wrote:sero Hita wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The poster you are reffering to once told me that he only posts here when he's bored at work. I found the cure for that. All I can see from the poster you mention (unless someone if fool enough to QUOTE him, please stop doing that btw) is this: Quote: Lucas Kell View post Show posts
I'm telling you, using the ignore feature made coming to this forum a million times less irritating...exept when some not-smart person quotes that poster. Also using that feature. Unfortunately like you say the poster in question is quoted quite often, as his special style of ignoring what you write and then tell you what "you really mean" rightfully agitates quite a lot of people. There is nothing like that you suddenly have to defend opinions you never had to begin with. it is almost an art... almost This formidable, I didn't know you could do that. Excellent. Was scrolling down most of what he was writing anyway.
This thread has become so much shorter. A pity that Lucas has drowned any interesting discussion. |
Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
87
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Posted - 2016.04.17 06:50:28 -
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Oh, Lucas understands everything quite well.
He is trying to get threads locked very much with intention.
Arguing for the "fun" of it.
Nobody could really stubbornly ignore so many things in such a way so often in so many threads unless they were doing it for a purpose.
He's trying to get threads locked.
If it were in my power I'd bring the permanent forum banhammer down on him for messing with the forums intentionally long-term. |
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7483
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Posted - 2016.04.17 07:13:41 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:So you are literally saying, with a straight face, that you think IWI is a 'bigger thing' than basically every organisation currently in the game. No, I'm saying the application gives a bigger and more unfair advantage.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Also this is another of your strawman arguments. No it's not, you stated quite clearly that your ship would just be random parts thrwon together because you had no fitting tool, implying that prior to fitting tools people were incapable of fitting a ship properly.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Dude. Come oooon. It's not 'trolling' to point out that you literally call the same thing both a fact, and an "opinion" all in the same post. Except I'm not calling the same thing both that's referring to two different things. It's a fact that the IWI application is what facilitates his accelerated acquisition of isk. It's my opinion that it conveys an uanfir enough advantage that it should be be disallowed.
Isaac Armer wrote:You are roughly 120% wrong about this.
But hey, as I learned, whatever Lucas thinks the game should be like is the only acceptable definition of gameplay. Glad to know you know more than the rest of us mere mortals. If you say so buddy. It's not my fault if you don't know what constitutes normal gameplay when referring to a game even though it's a simple concept. Why don't you go get CCP to define it for you if you wont accept that the game without tools is considered normal gameplay.
[quote=Mario Putzo]ITT Lucas Kell can't understand how "Give Isk" function works, which is sad for an older EVE player./quote]Sure I can, you just can't understand what "facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate" means. I've made it as simple for you to understand, yet you seem to ignore it. Here, I'll do it again. If IWI the application were not allowed to be used, they would not be able to acquire isk at the rate they do, thus the application is what facilitates the accelerated acquisition.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7483
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Posted - 2016.04.17 07:19:55 -
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Ka Plaa wrote:Oh, Lucas understands everything quite well.
He is trying to get threads locked very much with intention.
Arguing for the "fun" of it.
Nobody could really stubbornly ignore so many things in such a way so often in so many threads unless they were doing it for a purpose.
He's trying to get threads locked.
If it were in my power I'd bring the permanent forum banhammer down on him for messing with the forums intentionally long-term. Except I'm not, I'm stating a point and having a bunch of people deny reality at me. This is what's funny. The point of contention is where or not the benefit gained is unfair, yet they are too busy trying to swear blind that there is no benefit or trying to suggest that because other unrelated software which benefits multiple people exists, that's proof that software allowing one players to be richer than 40,000 other people is also acceptable.
The fact that you disagree with my arguments shouldn't get me banned. In fact the thing that should be banned is people like yourself choosing to attack the poster rather than be part of the discussion. There's a block button if you want to use it, or you could simply not read my posts. You could even just opt out of threads I'm a major part of. But no, apparently insinuating I have an alternate agenda and complaining that free speech exists is the preferable path to you.
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Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
87
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Posted - 2016.04.17 08:19:18 -
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LOL - ok Lucas my friend!
I'm sorry that I don't agree with you that you are actually that...unaware.
Thank you for your very helpful suggestions, but I don't want to block you just yet as I find the few posts of yours I'm not now ignoring most of anyway to be entertaining! :D
For example, the little logic loop you built into your last - shall we call it - grr little me post was well done, sir. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
207
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Posted - 2016.04.17 08:59:09 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:There's a block button if you want to use it, or you could simply not read my posts. Your tears are waaaaaaaaaaaaay too delicious to do that.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Sister MaryElephant
Stellar Conundrum
17
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Posted - 2016.04.17 09:17:18 -
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~fofofofofofofofofofofofolucasfofofofofofofofofofofofofo~
~~~made official by lolMittler |
Zet Soirn
Soirn Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2016.04.17 10:08:39 -
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Docked Mitler with his pet Sion. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1712
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Posted - 2016.04.17 10:10:56 -
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There's a war going on in null?
........
Are the nullbears screaming?
ARE THEY SCREAMING?!?!?
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Ria Nieyli
43701
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Posted - 2016.04.17 10:19:52 -
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In space, no one can hear you scream.
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
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Zet Soirn
Soirn Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2016.04.17 10:24:19 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:In space, no one can hear you scream.
I actually can hear Mitler scream, threatening a CCP employee and calling it a "propaganda war". Banned from Fanfest when? |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7483
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Posted - 2016.04.17 10:33:56 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Instead of being butthurt about (rightfully) losing your space, how about you grow some balls and just accept that Mittlers RMT empire is over and your carebear paradise is being burned to the ground with no way of getting it back. Except of course that my opinions on this go back to long before this war.
What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT.
Linus Gorp wrote:Crying to CCP won't change that. Be butthurt all you want about Aegis sov. It's working EXACTLY as intended, whether or not you see it that way. It's not really working as intended which is why CCP have not pushed entosis onto citadels and have indicated they have plans to move sov away from entosis and into citadels. To be more accurate you should really say it's working as you hoped, since it gives an advantage to non-sov holders.
Linus Gorp wrote:Honestly, just drop it. At the end of the day, EVE is still just a video game and you're taking it way too seriously. Lol? Is this a joke? I'm asking for balance and explaining why there's a current imbalance. You're throwing around insults, comparing players to Hitler and complaining about non-existent RMT.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
208
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Posted - 2016.04.17 10:38:33 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Honestly, just drop it. At the end of the day, EVE is still just a video game and you're taking it way too seriously. Lol? Is this a joke? I'm asking for balance and explaining why there's a current imbalance. You're throwing around insults, comparing players to Hitler and complaining about non-existent RMT. How is Mittani financing his life? He has no job. He's constantly on parties. He's got these yacht boat trips all over.
So where's that money coming from, since that failed legal assistant isn't working. All he has is his multi-dollar media site. That's his income source, and that's why he's so butthurt about his empire being burned to crisps. No empire, no media site, no ad income. And thus, the RMT cycle ends. I never accused him of selling ISK, although it's probably a dead given that he's involved in that activity.
Whatever. I'm not going to argue with you since it's nothing but a waste of time, as others have pointed out so often already.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7483
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Posted - 2016.04.17 10:48:57 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:How is Mittani financing his life? He has no job. He's constantly on parties. He's got these yacht boat trips all over.
So where's that money coming from, since that failed legal assistant isn't working. All he has is his multi-dollar media site. That's his income source, and that's why he's so butthurt about his empire being burned to crisps. No empire, no media site, no ad income. And thus, the RMT cycle ends. I never accused him of selling ISK, although it's probably a dead given that he's involved in that activity.
Whatever. I'm not going to argue with you since it's nothing but a waste of time, as others have pointed out so often already. By running a gaming media site focussed on EVE (and I was under the impression he's got a lot of money from his family too). What's really funny here is you are simultaneously attacking his site by calling it a "multi-dollar media site" to claim it makes no income yet at the same time claiming he's earning enough to go on parties and yacht trips frivolously. Which is it, does it make no money or is he rolling around in cash on a yacht lighting cubans with benajmins?
I don't think you know what RMT is. RMT isn't just someone making money from playing a video game, if that were the case, players like Rixx Javix would be an RMTer as would all of the streamers. RMT is when in game items or isk is being traded for cash, amusingly something that Nosy (and most other sane people) thinks is likely to be occurring at IWI.
By the way, see things like when you say "that failed legal assistant", that's you launching out of game personal attacks on the player behind the character. It's funny how people like you get on your high horse about other people taking things too seriously while you aren't even able to restrict your hatred to in-game rivalry.
And yes, oftentimes it's pointless to argue with me because many of the people attempting to do it don't actually have well thought out and valid points, they have rage, bias and wild assumptions.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
210
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Posted - 2016.04.17 11:00:39 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:What's really funny here is you are simultaneously attacking his site by calling it a "multi-dollar media site" to claim it makes no income yet at the same time claiming he's earning enough to go on parties and yacht trips frivolously. I wonder where I said his site doesn't make any income, since I clearly stated that's his income source.
Yet again, you have failed to understand a post you're replying to. Happens a lot, doesn't it? So, comment to this whatever you want. I won't reply another time, but I'll continue to read your whiny posts for my amusement. They're just too good to give up.
Lucas Kell wrote:By the way, see things like when you say "that failed legal assistant", that's you launching out of game personal attacks on the player behind the character. It's funny how people like you get on your high horse about other people taking things too seriously while you aren't even able to restrict your hatred to in-game rivalry. Have you even HEARD about the bullshit Mittani is giving from himself these days?
Lucas Kell wrote:And yes, oftentimes it's pointless to argue with me because many of the people attempting to do it don't actually have well thought out and valid points, they have rage, bias and wild assumptions. Ugh, you just perfectly described yourself.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7483
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Posted - 2016.04.17 11:19:05 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:What's really funny here is you are simultaneously attacking his site by calling it a "multi-dollar media site" to claim it makes no income yet at the same time claiming he's earning enough to go on parties and yacht trips frivolously. I wonder where I said his site doesn't make any income, since I clearly stated that's his income source. Yet again, you have failed to understand a post you're replying to. Happens a lot, doesn't it?. So you're saying you calling it a "multi-dollar media site" isn't in fact you trying to insult it by claiming it's low income? Be serious mate lol. And if you seriously think ad revenue from a site of that size is enough to live a lavish lifestyle you have serious misunderstandings about ad revenue.
Linus Gorp wrote:Have you even HEARD about the bullshit Mittani is giving from himself these days? I don;t particularly care. Anyone taking the game so seriously they feel the need to launch personal real-life attacks needs a reality check, I really don't care who it is. You're just the one doing it here then accusing me of taking the game too seriously, so I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in that.
Linus Gorp wrote:Ugh, you just perfectly described yourself. Then it should be no problem for you to dispute the points made rather than just telling me how awful a poster I am and complaining about non-existent RMT.
I could do this all day, this is easymode.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
210
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Posted - 2016.04.17 11:19:56 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT. Okay, this one is too good not to respond on it.
"Your communities". So essentially the CFC that is mad and crying about all their stuff being burned down. Totally not biased there, nope. "But they made all that ISK with an out-of-game application! HAXX! CCP PLS BAN THEY BREAK OUR SHINIES!"
Then you accuse IWI of RMT, yet CCP have already temporarily banned them before while they were being investigated and nothing came out of it. Where's the proof you're talking of? It is by far more likely that Mittani is engaged in RMT than IWI is. There's no proof for either. Yet here you sit, claiming that IWI is RMTing, while denying any and all claims that Mittani is not, but as was pointed out over and over again, he's the one making a living off this game.
Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction.
This image here sums it down to what you really are, as you have proven so many times and still continue to do.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
210
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Posted - 2016.04.17 11:24:15 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Yet again, you have failed to understand a post you're replying to. Happens a lot, doesn't it?. So you're saying you calling it a "multi-dollar media site" isn't in fact you trying to insult it by claiming it's low income? Be serious mate lol. And if you seriously think ad revenue from a site of that size is enough to live a lavish lifestyle you have serious misunderstandings about ad revenue. In other words you have just logically proven that Mittani is RMTing ISK.
Lucas Kell wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Ugh, you just perfectly described yourself. Then it should be no problem for you to dispute the points made rather than just telling me how awful a poster I am and complaining about non-existent RMT. So I don't get to complain about non-existent RMT (that you have proven with your own words to exist), but you get to throw accusations of RMT at IWI without no proof whatsoever. Good job there, mate ;)
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7483
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Posted - 2016.04.17 11:29:58 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT. "Your communities". So essentially the CFC that is mad and crying about all their stuff being burned down. Totally not biased there, nope. "But they made all that ISK with an out-of-game application! HAXX! CCP PLS BAN THEY BREAK OUR SHINIES!" I'm not a member of the Imperum. Whe I say "our community" I mean the EVE community. Go read blogs and posts by Nosy Gamer (who in fact dislikes the Imperium). He went into detail about how many verified bans there have been within IWI and how that indicates systemic RMT rather than the rogue bankers they claim.
Linus Gorp wrote:Then you accuse IWI of RMT, yet CCP have already temporarily banned them before while they were being investigated and nothing came out of it. Where's the proof you're talking of? They've also had multiple first offense and permanent bans. The problem is that CCP have no access to IWI logs, so every time IWI simply claims it was the banker or gambler, and CCP have no real way to prove otherwise. Again though, as Nosy has shown the statistics for how many people have been banned make it highly doubtful that it's simply a coincidence that so many people have been independently RMTing within the same group.
Linus Gorp wrote:It is by far more likely that Mittani is engaged in RMT than IWI is. There's no proof for either. Yet here you sit, claiming that IWI is RMTing, while denying any and all claims that Mittani is not, but as was pointed out over and over again, he's the one making a living off this game. Why is it far more likely? You yourself have stated that IWI has been blocked under suspicions and we know for a fact that multiple bans have occurred, while Mittani as far as I am aware has never even been temporarily banned for RMT. The only thing that makes you think it's more likely is your own bias.
Linus Gorp wrote:Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction. I'm not sure if you actually know what "logically destroyed" means. You disagreeing with an opinion and going "NOPE, because I hate goons!" doesn't count as logical destruction. In fact the core point I've made - that IWI makes more isk using the app than they would without, thus making the app what facilitates their increase acquisition of isk - is pretty much indisputable. The point of contention is whether or not that is an unfair advantage, and that's subjective so can't be logically destroyed.
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Lucas Kell
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Linus Gorp wrote:In other words you have just logically proven that Mittani is RMTing ISK. How so?
Linus Gorp wrote:So I don't get to complain about non-existent RMT (that you have proven with your own words to exist), but you get to throw accusations of RMT at IWI without no proof whatsoever. Good job there, mate ;) You can complain about what you want, but throwing around the accusations with nothing that even suggests it could be true is pretty ridiculous. IWI have plenty of things that suggest they could be RMTing, as alluded to in the post above. Furthermore IWI have a system that could easily masks RMT - which funnily enough is why if you make an eve bank you aren't allowed internal transfers - while Mittani has no such system in place.
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Linus Gorp
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Posted - 2016.04.17 11:34:26 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction. I'm not sure if you actually know what "logically destroyed" means. You disagreeing with an opinion and going "NOPE, because I hate goons!" doesn't count as logical destruction. In fact the core point I've made - that IWI makes more isk using the app than they would without, thus making the app what facilitates their increase acquisition of isk - is pretty much indisputable. The point of contention is whether or not that is an unfair advantage, and that's subjective so can't be logically destroyed. As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to.
Go back to mining. I'm done trying to educate you.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2016.04.17 11:37:18 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to. Lol, you've not beaten anything. Even this post is just you claiming you've beaten a point while simultaneously refusing to explain how. From an objective viewpoint you've done exactly what I stated you've been doing. I accept your admission of defeat though since you want to call it a day.
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