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Siigari Kitawa
Delta Laroth Industries
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Posted - 2016.04.09 22:22:33 -
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Just a thought.
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Anhenka
Infinite Point Violence of Action.
1651
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Posted - 2016.04.09 23:48:14 -
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Why? You propose an idea, then you explain why it would be a good idea to add it in. That's how things usually go around here.
I'm not absolutely opposed to the idea, but you have to explain your idea and the reasoning behind it if you want people to take you seriously. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2016.04.10 00:09:30 -
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This would make WH gas mining far too safe. Since you could use the rats as your shield in high end gas sites. |
Siigari Kitawa
Delta Laroth Industries
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Posted - 2016.04.10 01:43:44 -
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Anhenka wrote:Why? You propose an idea, then you explain why it would be a good idea to add it in. That's how things usually go around here.
I'm not absolutely opposed to the idea, but you have to explain your idea and the reasoning behind it if you want people to take you seriously. Sure, so when the Endurance came out, I decided it was the Prospect I wanted, but it just mines ice. The Prospect itself is supposed to be 'better' in many aspects over its tech 1 variant, but it falls short in a few places. It has double the ore hold, which is nice, but it mines so fast that it fills up its little ore hold very quickly.
By the time you've emptied and come back, there is a very real potential for belt rats (or WH rats, whatever.) I'm not all opposed to WH rats getting to shoot it, but it would be nice to have NPCs ignore it because it's incapable of actively defending itself. It has no drones, no slots for guns or any weaponry and honestly, it can't tank worth a damn. The Venture is more capable than the Prospect in this regard and I find that both amusing and infuriating at the same time.
Given this bonus, the Prospect has to worry about players. Players are still a worry in wormhole space, so they must remain vigilant anyway. But in a belt? It makes a fast maneuverable ship unusable when belt rats populate each belt. The point is to be able to mine, not to warp around.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.04.10 02:46:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:The point is to be able to mine, not to warp around. No, the point is to have a small, highly mobile mining platform. This is why it's a frigate, not another mining barge.
Make a safe spot. Fill ore hold with ice. Warp to safe spot. Jettison ice into jet can. Repeat until you cannot anymore, or until 1st can is about to expire. Bring hauler to empty cans.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Siigari Kitawa
Delta Laroth Industries
406
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Posted - 2016.04.10 03:15:54 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Siigari Kitawa wrote:The point is to be able to mine, not to warp around. No, the point is to have a small, highly mobile mining platform. This is why it's a frigate, not another mining barge. Make a safe spot. Fill ore hold with ice. Warp to safe spot. Jettison ice into jet can. Repeat until you cannot anymore, or until 1st can is about to expire. Bring hauler to empty cans. What ice are you going to get if rats are present? You gonna stare them down to death?
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Iain Cariaba
2906
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Posted - 2016.04.10 03:38:06 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Siigari Kitawa wrote:The point is to be able to mine, not to warp around. No, the point is to have a small, highly mobile mining platform. This is why it's a frigate, not another mining barge. Make a safe spot. Fill ore hold with ice. Warp to safe spot. Jettison ice into jet can. Repeat until you cannot anymore, or until 1st can is about to expire. Bring hauler to empty cans. What ice are you going to get if rats are present? You gonna stare them down to death? They're called friends. You bring them in occasionally to clear rats.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Zimmer Jones
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
465
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Posted - 2016.04.10 04:11:40 -
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Dangerous precedent, having a ship immune to rats. I would personally use 4-5 ishtars off at max range and assign all drones to it as a drone bunny, while it sits right in the spawn point. That would cut down on drone travel time and thus increase isk/hr quite alot.
I would use it to loot the field as soon as rats die, because I'm sitting on their spawns with 25 hugely bonused drones.
I would afk escalations, and blitzing missions. In short i would abuse it to make things as riskless and profitable as possible, and so would everyone else. A bad thing? Yes, because NPCs are supposed to be there to provide risk if other players aren't there to do it for them.
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Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
549
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Posted - 2016.04.10 06:39:36 -
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The only ship that presently has Rat immunity to my knowledge is the Zephyr, which can only fit the Prototype Iris launcher or w/e. If that ship were able to fit any sort of aggressing mechanic, you can be assured that the situation Zimmer has suggested would already have been a thing.
EDIT: Zephyr only has Sleeper immunity IIRC, but all the same.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.04.10 11:00:58 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:Just a thought.
What a terrible idea.
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.04.10 11:56:36 -
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No |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.04.10 11:57:48 -
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No |
Siigari Kitawa
Delta Laroth Industries
406
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Posted - 2016.04.10 16:29:37 -
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I'm curious to what some of the reasons are to why you guys say no. The Prospect is a strictly worse version of the Endurance. The only thing the Prospect can do which the Endurance cannot is fit a Covert cloak. The Endurance has nearly no penalties associated with its fitting of an Improved cloak, however.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.04.10 17:07:20 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:I'm curious to what some of the reasons are to why you guys say no. The Prospect is a strictly worse version of the Endurance. The only thing the Prospect can do which the Endurance cannot is fit a Covert cloak. The Endurance has nearly no penalties associated with its fitting of an Improved cloak, however. Not only does the CovOps cloak not have any velocity penalty in the first place, but a ship that can fit it is able to warp while cloaked. As someone who's done some covops stuff a time or fifty in his EvE career, that's a huge plus right there.
Edit: The Prospect is a gas mining ship, the Endurance is an ice mining ship. Also, the Prospect can fit covert cynos, which makes the wonderful bait for hotdrops, and the only reason I'd ever fly an expedition frigate.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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