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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.12.15 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kallanagh Tellen on 15/12/2003 09:20:06
In the late evening of last night, the Punisher class diplomatic frigate HMS Endurance was engaged and destroyed on the approach to a jump gate, as it was departing to leave the Fountain area. The attack was unprovoked and without warning, involving no less then three different members of the Fountain Alliance. The frigate armed with little more than electronic countermeasures was no match for the Apocalypse class battleship which spearheaded the attack, and was subsequently destroyed within seconds. Imperial survey teams are in the process of searching debris from the attack, gathering data regarding the attackers whose names shall be released shortly.
Attacks on non-combative and civilian targets are Unacceptable.
The diplomatic efforts of the Amarr Imperial Conclave have been to promote understanding and mutual efforts throughout not only the Amarr Empire, but also through external organisations. The Conclave has, to this point encountered nothing but civility in its efforts, with even elements of the previously questionable Curse Alliance offering assistance in traversing its space. We have had great success with the majority of our diplomatic exchanges, in particular the Curse Coalition who have been gracious in their much appreciated offers of support in our fledgling state.
The piratical actions of elements of the Fountain Alliance have put serious doubts on the integrity of its security forces, severely limiting ANY chance of peaceful diplomatic interaction at the hands of a neutral party for the foreseeable future. Upon the discovery of the aggressive parties, the CEOÆs of the offending individuals will be contacted to remedy the situation, and to reclaim the losses attributed to the destructive actions of the aforementioned pilots.
It is our sincerest hope that the situation is resolved quickly, and that a civil resolution is made over the coming days.
Kallanagh Tellen
Lord Arbitrator û Amarr Imperial Conclave
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Attache and Heir to House Tellen
PIE Inc
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.12.15 10:13:00 -
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Kallanagh Tellen did the pilot have a valid pass to Fountain?
I'm pretty confident that he did not (without knowing the name of the pilot, I can not verify this)
Many are the attacks on the FA in the past, all have been pushed back.
Time has tought us to guard our borders and territory vigilantly to minimize our losses.
No one is allowed entrance to FA space without being part of the FA or having a valid pass.
You can like this or not, thats how it is, and many are our visitors who enjoy the safe hunting environment we provide.
Time and cirmumstances permitting, warnings are usually issued before opening fire - That is protocol.
Our pass system even includes storing warnings issued - The FA memory is long.
Did the pilot watch the local com systems during the entirety of his stay?
Can you rule out that he might have missed a warning?
Warning issued or not, without a valid pass the pilot should not have been where he was.
A word of advice : When entering new lands, investigate the local customs *beforehand*.
What goes in, say CFS space, doesnt necessarily go in FA space.
Ignorance is no excuse.
Regards
Co-Chairman of the FA
 BIG Lottery
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.12.15 10:35:00 -
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The pilot was indeed vigilent, it was I who was in command of the vessel at the time.
Comms channels were watched, and MANY warnings were issued that a Diplomatic vessel was indeed in transit. This is standard proceedure upon travel.
The defence of the Fountain Alliance borders are understandable, BUT the attack upon the diplomatic vessel was needless to say the least. The punisher class frigate is by no means neither a capable individual attack vessel, or individual mining operations vessel. The vessel was chosen as a diplomatic support vessel in order to not pose a threat when travelling through space, in fact its only armament on board was the addition of a low grade weapon jamming system for defence. The overzealous actions of the individuals involved (pending further investigation by Imperial Authorities)are inexcusable. No warning were issued, the Punisher class frigate was locked upon, jammed then destroyed without pause for questioning, involving the loss of a valuable clone.
How exactly can the attack upon an openly neutral party, not equiped for the attacking of FA property nor the stealing of FA resources be justified? What exactly is the current moral, ethical standpoint of the aforementioned FA security forces?
I await your reply.
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Attache and Heir to House Tellen
PIE Inc
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.12.15 10:46:00 -
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I am afraid Kallanagh this is one of the things that I warned you of.
Regional alliances such as Fountain have no respect for diplomacy - merely hard ISK's.
As far as I am aware Fountain Alliance will kill all entering their territory unless they have purchased a daily 'passport' at the cost of 1 million isk a day.
I assume that you did not have this passport and this is why you were attacked...
Unfortunately I can see their logic in this as otherwise potential enemies could easily scout their enemy's territory and fleet concentrations merely by claiming 'diplomatic' protection and flying frigs or shuttles.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.12.15 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 15/12/2003 11:06:20
You neglected to address one point.
*The* point.
Did the pilot (you) have a valid pass?
Let me answer that, as knowing the pilot name (Kallanagh Tellen), I have checked our pass system.
No pass was issued.
A diplomatic vessel or not, a pass is required.
It would seem to me that a diplomat as yourself would know the importance of having the right papers issued before entering *any* locale - It being space or a banket.
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The punisher class frigate is by no means neither a capable individual attack vessel, or individual mining operations vessel.
Again you fail to address one very important point.
The punisher is ideally suited for scouting operations, prior to and during an attack.
I'm by no means implying that you where engaged in any such activity, merely pointing out the 'danger' a punisher *can* pose, and without a valid pass our pilots might have thought just that.
Again I mean no offense but - Anyone could claim that Quote:
a Diplomatic vessel was indeed in transit.
even our enemies.
Again - Without a proper pass, how was our pilots to know that your claims where true?
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What exactly is the current moral, ethical standpoint of the aforementioned FA security forces?
I'll have to quote myself I'm afraid
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Time and cirmumstances permitting, warnings are usually issued before opening fire - That is protocol.
Unaware to you, FA might have been under attack elsewhere, and under such -circumstances- our pilots are *not* required to issue a warning, as the extra time that takes, could mean the escape of the vessel.
A vessel that *might* be a scout for an enemy force.
In times of attack, we simply dont have the luxury of beeing able to be 'nice' - War is a dirty business, and taking chances with the defence of Fountain in order to 'be nice', might mean a lost battle...
Again - Had you had the required papers in order, this would never had happened - I assure you.
I'm sorry for your loss and any misconceptions it might have given rise to, with regards to your views on FA, but the fact remains: You where in a place that required a pass, and you did not have this.
Regards
Co-Chairman of the FA
BIG Lottery
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.12.15 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 15/12/2003 11:20:04
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I am afraid Kallanagh this is one of the things that I warned you of.
Then I'm even more astounded that he did not acquire a pass....
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Regional alliances such as Fountain have no respect for diplomacy - merely hard ISK's.
In my book diplomacy includes asking permission to enter *before* the fact, not after.
I'd dearly love to see the expression on your face, if I let myself into you spaceship and *then* knocked on the hatch 
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...unless they have purchased a daily 'passport' at the cost of 1 million isk a day.
It might come as a surprice to you, but as diplomacy *is* on our mind, several free passes have been issued in the past, if the person requesting it had 'special business' (shortest term, however non-descriptive it is, I can come up with) in Fountain.
All those cases have in common, that the persons approached us *before* entering FA territory.
Regards
Co-Chairman of the FA
BIG Lottery
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.12.15 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kallanagh Tellen on 15/12/2003 11:56:24
Perhaps lessons have been learned today. Actions partaking to the advancement of Diplomatic links in relation to the Fountain Alliance will unfortunately have to be put on hold, in order to carry forward current relations with more receptive parties.
Such losses are expensive to such a small organisation.
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Attache and Heir to House Tellen
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.12.15 12:15:00 -
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...several free passes have been issued in the past, if the person requesting it had 'special business' ... in Fountain.
I dont see how FA could possible be more 'receptive'.
But that of course is your decision.
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Perhaps lessons have been learned today.
Not an all around bad day after all then.
Regards
Co-Chairman of the FA
BIG Lottery
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.12.15 14:14:00 -
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Please Gallente, feel free to advise me on this newfound path ONCE you have taken the same.
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Attache and Heir to House Tellen
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2003.12.15 16:28:00 -
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I can't decide if you're false or just really bad at this diplomat thing.
For future reference you might want to think of respecting the procedures of your next diplomatic target.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.12.15 17:40:00 -
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Detaitiv
I can assure you that Kallanagh is not false. He has a passion for diplomacy and actually left PIE in order to follow this path unhindered by previous connections.
During his time at PIE Kallanagh was an honourable and forthright pilot and is I believe making an honest attempt at building contacts and diplomatics relations between Corporations and alliances.
I personally believe that the EVE Universe is to cynical and untrusting to let this 'bridge-building' diplomacy succeed but if any man can make it work it is Kallanagh.
Hopefully I will be proved wrong and Kallangh is successful on his worthy quest. Now FA know who he is he wont be shot on sight next time!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.12.15 19:53:00 -
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I am sorry if my first post on this thread caused offence to Fountain.
I was only pointing out the policy for Kallanagh's benefit and it was not intended as a dig at Fountain who I have great respect for.
Sorry if it was misinterpreted!
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.12.15 22:55:00 -
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I am sorry if my first post on this thread caused offence to Fountain.
I was only pointing out the policy for Kallanagh's benefit and it was not intended as a dig at Fountain who I have great respect for.
Sorry if it was misinterpreted!
No offense taken, but I must agree with the previous posters. If you want to establish diplomatic contacts you should previously aquaint yourself with the customs of the people you want to communicate with. If you disregard the prior, you are setting yourself up for problems.
In this certain case the lack of prior communication and the lack of knowledge of our customs lead to a regretfull outcome. Had Kallanagh first contacted me, or anyone else in the Fountain channel, this would certainly not have happened.
With best regards,
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.12.16 01:40:00 -
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killed a amarr
BRAVO Fountain
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