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Skeltek
Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:36:00 -
[871]
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031
-D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? )
I have never heard of that issue and I doubt it exists in that form. What I might consider possible is, that the IPs from one of our forums were compared. If you see a spy in TS and happen to notice that he has the same IP like a guy that registered on your private forum, wouldnŠt you feel stupid for trying not to notice that fact? <.<
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Laura Baretta
Minmatar Caelestis Caedes
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:38:00 -
[872]
The titan could be still alive if the pilot hadn't ****** up. So it's a fair kill. Human failure is... well... human. **** happens
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Minmatar Citizen 138031
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:39:00 -
[873]
it wasn't your private forum it was www.eve-online.de, so somone who is admin on that website abused his position.
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Skeltek
Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:46:00 -
[874]
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 it wasn't your private forum it was www.eve-online.de, so somone who is admin on that website abused his position.
It is a fansite, owned by a german player that made it for him and his community. http://www.eve-online.com/community/fansites.asp
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:46:00 -
[875]
Originally by: News snip
Suicide ganking, corp theft, can theft, etc are all intended consequences and specifically allowed actions and specifically allowed by intent of the developers. They arent comparable to this untested question.
Exploiting a bug would be ore theft without repurcussion because you do it in such a way as to avoid a crim flag. The crim flag being the mechanism in place to allow you to defend against theft. More comparable to when ore thieving didnt crim flag you. But the problem with that is that it was intended to not flag you. The oversight wasnt in the design of the implementation, it was in the intent.
A better example would be nanobattleships. They are clearly not intended. Though not perfect, because fast battleships are intended, its just not "that fast" where there is a solid arguement that the actions taken by BoB werent intended at all.
But yea, it will be up to the GMs/devs to decide the issue. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
Ian Logalus
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:51:00 -
[876]
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031
-D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? )
Since when is checking for spies metagaming? Metagaming is geting advantage of things which you cannot control ingame like logintraps, ctrl-q on jumpin. Breaking the law by trying to match Ip adresses is not possible. It will be when you try to link it to personal information like adresses, names or phonenumbers.
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Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:54:00 -
[877]
Edited by: Saladin on 17/02/2007 13:52:19
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031
- Goons hacked the game client to show standings in local before it was added to the game, which forced CCP to also add it to level the playing field. Dont say they was going to add it anyhow because you remember talk about removing local ?
-AAA,RA,Russian devision of people since the start of the game ( aka RUS ) , early on the game RUS was banned from the game for duping in game items, mainly a million megacyte.
Was this really a hack? or a hidden option in the prefs.ini? Quite a few of the options available in the graphics preferences now were not available always, and various players added the options to their prefs.ini.
In my company we often have hidden options and environment variables that are designed to trigger features we plan on introducing in the future. So is what the goons did unlocking a hidden feature (like by setting an environment variable or adding a line to prefs.ini) or did they actually hack the hex/binary files?
As for the duping, RUS did not have a monopoly on that. ----
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:55:00 -
[878]
Only managed to get to page 12 before I got the urge to say...
Why the hell is Helina Malinos allowed to post? :|
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Adril Alatar
Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.02.17 14:01:00 -
[879]
Originally by: Ian Logalus
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031
-D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? )
Since when is checking for spies metagaming? Metagaming is geting advantage of things which you cannot control ingame like logintraps, ctrl-q on jumpin. Breaking the law by trying to match Ip adresses is not possible. It will be when you try to link it to personal information like adresses, names or phonenumbers.
according to the german data protection act ip-adresses ARE personal information like the name, adress or phone numbers...
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RedLion
Caldari evenova
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Posted - 2007.02.17 14:01:00 -
[880]
Hmmm,
I don't like the way the titans goes down.
But hell, I think ms/titans are far to powerfull so getting rid of some is probably good.
I just hope that the big ships gets nerfed so that they can be taken down without having to "exploit" log off timer.
I understand why BoB "legally exploited" this feature. I would have done it myself in a war.
I just don't like the way that titan pilots are not able to log back on, and stuff. You have a ship in a space you should be able to get into system.
There are many things I don't like about how EVE is going, and big ships is one of them.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.17 14:05:00 -
[881]
Originally by: Ian Logalus
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031
-D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? )
Since when is checking for spies metagaming? Metagaming is geting advantage of things which you cannot control ingame like logintraps, ctrl-q on jumpin. Breaking the law by trying to match Ip adresses is not possible. It will be when you try to link it to personal information like adresses, names or phonenumbers.
There was issue that the IPs were cross checked from an official CCP site. Checking for spies isnt metagaming, but if you abuse a third party site to gain info you shouldnt then its a bit more dicey since the characters in question should have had a measure of protection there. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
pershphanie
The Ancient Race
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:10:00 -
[882]
Edited by: pershphanie on 17/02/2007 15:07:48
Originally by: Goldis I think you have lost the point of the game.
This is a massive online role playing game.
Dying in this game while offline cannot be justified by using role playing terms.
If this is true then logging off ever can not be justified in RP terms.
I'm so tired of ppl applying logic only when convenient for them.
If killing an aggro timered logged off ship is an exploit than logging off is an exploit. If spying on ts is an exploit then using ts at all is an exploit. If joining a corp with a spy is an exploit than joining a corp is an exploit. But none of those things really are exploits. It sucks when they happen to you. Theyve all happened to me. I know the feeling. But ffs ppl you cant have your cake and eat it too. You can't apply your logic to certain parts of the game and not others because its convenient for you. Thats BS.
No one hacked the server. No dev triggered their aggro timer. no one dos attacked anyone. This was 100% legit and fair game. You ppl need to quit crying.
This was one of the most diabolical ebil plans ever executed in the game. That's war for you. As long as you arent cheating the game then anything goes. Bravo to Digital Commie. This is up there with the adventures of GHSC. Very impressive. |
Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:10:00 -
[883]
Originally by: Ian Logalus
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031
-D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? )
Since when is checking for spies metagaming? Metagaming is geting advantage of things which you cannot control ingame like logintraps, ctrl-q on jumpin. Breaking the law by trying to match Ip adresses is not possible. It will be when you try to link it to personal information like adresses, names or phonenumbers.
In the US, it is not illegal to use public information like addresses, names, and phonenumbers in conjunction with IP addresses in order to identify seemingly anonymous people on the internet. It's perfectly legal.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:16:00 -
[884]
Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 17/02/2007 15:07:48
Originally by: Goldis I think you have lost the point of the game.
This is a massive online role playing game.
Dying in this game while offline cannot be justified by using role playing terms.
If this is true then logging off ever can not be justified in RP terms.
I'm so tired of ppl applying logic only when convenient for them.
If killing an aggro timered logged off ship is an exploit than logging off is an exploit. If spying on ts is an exploit then using ts at all is an exploit. If joining a corp with a spy is an exploit than joining a corp is an exploit. But none of those things really are exploits. It sucks when they happen to you. Theyve all happened to me. I know the feeling. But ffs ppl you cant have your cake and eat it too. You can't apply your logic to certain parts of the game and not others because its convenient for you. Thats BS.
No one hacked the server. No dev triggered their aggro timer. no one dos attacked anyone. This was 100% legit and fair game. You ppl need to quit crying.
This was one of the most diabolical ebil plans ever executed in the game. That's war for you. As long as you arent cheating the game then anything goes. Bravo to Digital Commie. This is up there with the adventures of GHSC. Very impressive.
What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
pershphanie
The Ancient Race
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:22:00 -
[885]
Originally by: Goumindong
What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid?
They got sabotaged by a covert attack. Everyone knows how sensitive aggro timers are. If I had a titan you couldnt pay me to log it off atm. I dont even log off my bs's/hacs in hostile space atm. I just cloak and afk it. |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:23:00 -
[886]
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Goumindong
What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid?
They got sabotaged by a covert attack. Everyone knows how sensitive aggro timers are. If I had a titan you couldnt pay me to log it off atm. I dont even log off my bs's/hacs in hostile space atm. I just cloak and afk it.
What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
pershphanie
The Ancient Race
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:28:00 -
[887]
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Goumindong
What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid?
They got sabotaged by a covert attack. Everyone knows how sensitive aggro timers are. If I had a titan you couldnt pay me to log it off atm. I dont even log off my bs's/hacs in hostile space atm. I just cloak and afk it.
What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid?
What are you a parrot?
I'm not saying the aggro timer shouldnt be fixed asap. It's BS that you dont get a visible aggro timer in every situation. But dont pretend that you don't know how it works. When flying a capital ship you should leave gang and chill in a personal SS for 15minutes before even thinking about logging off. |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:31:00 -
[888]
Originally by: pershphanie snip
What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid?
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Aberash
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:31:00 -
[889]
Originally by: RedLion Hmmm,
I don't like the way the titans goes down.
But hell, I think ms/titans are far to powerfull so getting rid of some is probably good.
I just hope that the big ships gets nerfed so that they can be taken down without having to "exploit" log off timer.
I understand why BoB "legally exploited" this feature. I would have done it myself in a war.
I just don't like the way that titan pilots are not able to log back on, and stuff. You have a ship in a space you should be able to get into system.
There are many things I don't like about how EVE is going, and big ships is one of them.
Yes but nowone else is lame or dirty enough to use these sploits, hence bob will never loose there motherships or titans.. the only thing that matters to BoB is winning, not having fun.. Sad
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DunNa
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid?
None the pilot had RL matters to attend to (sadly people can't play 24/7).
How the titan was targeted and fired upon was an exploit. The use of spys and similar such actions is rather underhanded and not something to be proud of nor congratulated.
There has yet to be a titan to go down with a fight which makes me rather sad to be honest.
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pershphanie
The Ancient Race
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:43:00 -
[891]
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: pershphanie snip
What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid?
What dont you understand about how the aggro timer works?
You want me to say "none" so you can give me some big self righteous speech about "boohoo the aggro timer is haxed". Well guess what. If you bothered to read what I wrote instead of repeating yourself over and over making yourself sound like someone who got ran over by the special bus then you'd know that I agree that the aggro timer sucks.
That doesnt change the fact you, me, D2, everyone in eve knows that the aggro timer as ****** as it might be, it still works the same for everyone. D2 could have done this to bob just as easy as it got done to them. But I'm guessing that BoB titan pilots wouldnt log off a titan without leaving gang and cloaking for at least 15 minutes. FFS I dont even do log out normal ships without doing that.
But dont let me stop your wonderful forest gump impersonation. Keep repeating yourself retard. |
Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:44:00 -
[892]
Originally by: DunNa
Originally by: Goumindong What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid?
None the pilot had RL matters to attend to (sadly people can't play 24/7).
How the titan was targeted and fired upon was an exploit. The use of spys and similar such actions is rather underhanded and not something to be proud of nor congratulated.
There has yet to be a titan to go down with a fight which makes me rather sad to be honest.
It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged.
He was fired upon and thus agroed.....please read a whole thread before posting anything you dont have knowledge about
It was not an exploit.
Originally by: Jiekon/CCP
If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:54:00 -
[893]
Thread scrubbed once again. Post with your main and show your corp ticker. Also don't derail this thread with off topic comments regarding RL laws and other misconduct allegations. ___
EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:55:00 -
[894]
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: pershphanie snip
What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid?
What dont you understand about how the aggro timer works?
You want me to say "none" so you can give me some big self righteous speech about "boohoo the aggro timer is haxed". Well guess what. If you bothered to read what I wrote instead of repeating yourself over and over making yourself sound like someone who got ran over by the special bus then you'd know that I agree that the aggro timer sucks.
That doesnt change the fact you, me, D2, everyone in eve knows that the aggro timer as ****** as it might be, it still works the same for everyone. D2 could have done this to bob just as easy as it got done to them. But I'm guessing that BoB titan pilots wouldnt log off a titan without leaving gang and cloaking for at least 15 minutes. FFS I dont even do log out normal ships without doing that.
But dont let me stop your wonderful forest gump impersonation. Keep repeating yourself retard.
All exploits work the same for everyone. Doesnt make them not exploits.
And no, i wasnt going to say the aggro timer was hacked, but if you would care to read the last two pages, it might give you some insight into the reasons why such actions can be considered an exploit. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong All exploits work the same for everyone. Doesnt make them not exploits.
And no, i wasnt going to say the aggro timer was hacked, but if you would care to read the last two pages, it might give you some insight into the reasons why such actions can be considered an exploit.
It was not an exploit CCP, has allready made a statement about it......you keep pressing this issue, and whinning all over...you got outsmarted, to get even login to EVE kill BoB.
Originally by: Jiekon/CCP
If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
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pershphanie
The Ancient Race
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:08:00 -
[896]
Originally by: Goumindong
And no, i wasnt going to say the aggro timer was hacked, but if you would care to read the last two pages, it might give you some insight into the reasons why such actions can be considered an exploit.
So you do understand how they work then. As do D2. So then at this point arent you just crying because you dont get to decide how game mechanics work? |
Boksering
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged.
about that smartbomb versus passive targeter thing....
I think IŠm starting to get it.. d2 made the thing about the shot and the passive targeter up because then it would be an exploit even though screenshot documents its a micro smart bomb..... ah whos the haxors now.
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Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:08:00 -
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I think we need more tinfoil! ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
Passive Drake For The Win |
Rimini Toranos
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:09:00 -
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A couple of months ago I had lots of respect for BOB. A bunch of hardcore players that know their job.
But now ... what can I say.
LAME LAME
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:09:00 -
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At the end of the day, if this was a goonswarm or RA kill on an LV titan, Everyone, and by that I mean 99% of you flamers, would be saying "good job, nice move"
Why were there no crys of OMG LAME when they brought 1000 to LVs titan in production, used the first 200 to crash the node and the rest to hold the system while the defenders tried to log on.
Why were there no crys of 'lame' from you guys when D2 were caught using an official website to get BoB IPs?
Why didnt you cry 'lame' when an ISS director offlined an entire systems worth of towers for goonswarm? How is THAT intended by the game mechanics?
Why wernt you crying lame about the recent hacking on so many different servers?
I'll tell you why; because when its done to BoB and allies it is considered genious, when its done by them its considered lame.
Thats all there is to it. You Hate BoB.
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