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Sabotaged
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.04.16 23:59:16 -
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Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy. Made about 2 million in 2 hours. So far I find VNI to be completely worthless for plex's. I can last maybe 30 seconds in a Haven without losing complete shield. I warp in at 50 and orbit a can at 30. failure.
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Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
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Amanda Chan
Error 404 Corporation not found Electroshock Therapy
105
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Posted - 2016.04.17 01:07:27 -
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Or..you know.....you could use sentry drones. |
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
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Posted - 2016.04.17 02:30:35 -
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Amanda Chan wrote:Or..you know.....you could use sentry drones.
and switch to armor, and stay at range, and ... |
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
288
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Posted - 2016.04.17 11:25:18 -
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Fit an ECM burst to keep the aggro on you ond off of your drones. And if you can't tank the site, you are doing something wrong. I tried the kiting 100mn VNI myself and it works. I guess, because you set your orbit around a jetcan and not the center of the site (like the hollow asteroid), your transversal velocity drops 2 times every circle around the can (moving directly towards and away from the NPCs) and this is where you get hit. If you orbit around the center, your transversal never drops and you should be fine.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
15123
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Posted - 2016.04.17 17:09:13 -
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Ive run plex's with an eos and heavys/gecos,a single tp is enough to keep the agro off ofthem for me.
Better the Devil you know.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
343
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Posted - 2016.04.17 18:17:50 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Ive run plex's with an eos and heavys/gecos,a single tp is enough to keep the agro off ofthem for me.
a single tp is never enough for me, nor is jams, or warp scrams....etc etc per the glourious devs that designed the broken system
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.04.17 22:16:33 -
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Single TP is usually enough for me. If not then remote reps should do it, or a ecm burst. Of course you have to be careful with ecm burst as it will cause your drones to attack any friendlies that warp into site and get hit by the burst. |
Sir Erighan
Eve Defence Force IT'S ONLY PIXELS
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Posted - 2016.04.23 15:37:59 -
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You can make more than 2 mil in 2 hours using a hauler and civ guns. Seriously, you either have 0 SPs in drones or have no idea how to play. Watch some videos, learn how to deploy drones, and profit. A VNI can easily run 6/10 plexes and earn 30-50mil per hour in decent Angel space. |
Frillo Teslar
Manson Family Advent of Fate
33
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Posted - 2016.04.29 23:43:16 -
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A small smartbomb or ECM burst makes the rats want to murder your boat instead of the drones.
In regards to tanking: Do you have bad navigation skills? Do you have very bad shield skills? You should train all relevant shield and nav skills to at least lvl 3 asap. |
pushdogg
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
248
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Posted - 2016.04.30 01:15:45 -
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It appears you've been sabotaged. |
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Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
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Posted - 2016.04.30 02:29:07 -
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I find a small remote armor repper useful.
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PAPULA
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
107
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Posted - 2016.04.30 08:11:47 -
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Sabotaged wrote:Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy. Yea this is very old mechanic, ccp changed npc AI meaning drones will always get attacked first, i have the same problem, i can't use drone ships because AI switches to drones in less than 10 seconds hence i am not using drones in missions or anomalies anymore.
As i said it before, "drones are not allowed in npc environment" nor are they allowed in missions because you simply loose them all super fast.
I hope ccp can change NPC AI back so npc's don't attack drones, but they do attack other players. If ccp does that i can finally use my dominix and rattlesnake again in missions/plexes/anomalies.
As of now, heavy drones are really useless in missions, because they're slow and if you send drones 58km away to shoot npc they will die no matter what you do.
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pushdogg
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
248
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Posted - 2016.04.30 08:50:53 -
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PAPULA wrote:Sabotaged wrote:Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy. Yea this is very old mechanic, ccp changed npc AI meaning drones will always get attacked first, i have the same problem, i can't use drone ships because AI switches to drones in less than 10 seconds hence i am not using drones in missions or anomalies anymore. As i said it before, "drones are not allowed in npc environment" nor are they allowed in missions because you simply loose them all super fast. I hope ccp can change NPC AI back so npc's don't attack drones, but they do attack other players. If ccp does that i can finally use my dominix and rattlesnake again in missions/plexes/anomalies. As of now, heavy drones and medium drones are really useless in missions, because they're slow and if you send drones 58km away to shoot npc they will die no matter what you do. Light drones are kinda ok atm because they're fast and they can speed tank npc's and you get them back fast because of speed, but still if you don't look out for your small drones they will also die very very fast. Amanda Chan wrote:Or..you know.....you could use sentry drones. Why can't he use heavy drones if he chooses to ? If i choose to use heavy drones in pve why am i being punished by "new" NPC AI ?
Punished? If you call using a fork to do the job of a spoon being punished, then yes. |
Joey Aele
The Merit Talon Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2016.04.30 22:42:31 -
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PAPULA wrote: Why can't he use heavy drones if he chooses to ? If i choose to use heavy drones in pve why am i being punished by "new" NPC AI ?
wah why can't i run c6 sites solo in my rifter wah do it the right way, there's a reason why people use specific fits, and usually it doesn't result in them crying on the forums about not knowing how to PvE with one over the better PvE boats. |
Deunan Tenephais
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Posted - 2016.05.01 02:01:31 -
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PAPULA wrote:Why can't he use heavy drones if he chooses to ? If i choose to use heavy drones in pve why am i being punished by "new" NPC AI ? He can use whatever he want as long as he make it work, here it's not the case. He seems to be using the slowest brawler drones (heavy) at mid/long range, it simply won't work, they don't have the speed or the range to avoid being destroyed. Brawler drones are for brawling, you simply don't have them start at 50 kilometers from the target or you will lose them. |
Nalia White
Tencus
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Posted - 2016.05.01 19:37:57 -
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there actualy seems to be some kind of stealth change. usualy when gatecamping, the rats always would aggro the griffin remote sensor boosting me. today the rats would aggro my sabre buddy the whole day and leave my griffin alone.
seems like rats are shooting now the targets they can hit best. in your case the BS ships attacked the BS sized drones instead of your cruiser.
can't confirm, just observation from one day so far. |
Cpt Leks
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.05.02 04:38:15 -
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I can only add from my experience playing on test server right before release (I even posted a feedback thread on SISI forums) that when playing with carrier + fighters it is impossible to rat anything at mid/lon range.
I tried some lvl5s and as soon as I launch fighters half the room agresses them and it is literally the same second and fighters are not even agressed.
And yes I've tried TP/ECM burst but that did not do anything.
A simple trip of fighters 30-40 km away from carrier will result in 5-6 losses or the whole squadron if it gets webbed/scrammed
The only way i see drones working is 1. sentries 2. fast ship burning to each target and using heavies under a close eye for damage. |
Frillo Teslar
Manson Family Advent of Fate
33
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Posted - 2016.05.02 08:32:24 -
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Boys.. Stop. You can easily use heavy drones for AFK ratting. Go look up the 1000's of ratter loss mails on zkill for details. |
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Dirt 'n' Glitter Local Is Primary
5
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Posted - 2016.05.04 17:17:12 -
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Sabotaged wrote:Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy. Made about 2 million in 2 hours. So far I find VNI to be completely worthless for plex's. I can last maybe 30 seconds in a Haven without losing complete shield. I warp in at 50 and orbit a can at 30. failure.
[Vexor Navy Issue, Vexor Navy Issue] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer I Fourier Compact Tracking Enhancer
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Republic Fleet Berserker x5
edit: I give up. After 3 hours of just wasting my time I lost another heavy the moment I put it out. Going to play dota 2 instead and just run incursions if I need isk.
My advise is to swap out the extenders for purgers, next if the rats aggro your drones in the FORSAKEN HAVEN(this is important) then you need to cause a session change, how this works is a simple as docking and undocking or even ejecting out of your ship.
The reason why this works is because the rats can only lock one target and to switch to drones they need to lock the drones, which they cant because they have you locked. I did this exact fit except i used praetors and swapped one of the purgers for an em screen (sanshas do em therm). Good luck and try again, remember Forsaken HUB
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
0
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Posted - 2016.05.05 10:32:54 -
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Angel Hub is not a ded complex.. Drones on auto aggro, deploy, don't touch keyboard, should work. Rat aggro seems a bit buggy, there are ways to "manage the bug" thou. Gila seems to work better since only elite frigates will target the drones, and 500% hp medium drones tank a couple such spawns no problem.
As for plexes... i tried to use an ishtar for a 10/10, tank was fantastic but drone aggro was a real pain in the exhaust port, spent probably more time managing drones than killing npc's. |
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Noga Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.05.07 01:44:00 -
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I use a vni
200mm ac II, 2 DLA II Sebo, 2 cap recharger II, 100mn MEAb MARep II, 4 DDA II, ENAM II 2 Medium Cap Control II, Medium Cap Control I 747 DPS with wasp II; cap stable with ab and med rep
Finding similar problem with Haven/Sanctum rapidly switching agro and nuking one before I can get them back in to pull agro again. I think the trick is to through out t2 lights which are fast enough to get back without loss. get agro again and throw out the heavies without issue so far.
this crap about npc capitals spawning in havens and sanctums is a bit worrisome -they're nuking caps, cruisers, hacs, and even rapid transversal ceptors. Might need to run hubs. https://zkillboard.com/ship/37468/kills/
has anyone confirmed that npc caps only spawn in sanctums, havens, and belts? VNI can run those without issue for lower ticks. |
Nomad Vherokic
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:27:31 -
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List for pain-free VNI ratting. Fit an auto-targeter, or ECM of some description.
1. Warp to site at 50 or 70km.
2. Turn on Afterburner.
3. find object or structure near centre of spawn - in a haven you can use the spiked asteroid, normal asteroid, or the chemical factory (depends which variation)
4. orbit object at 50km. Your actual orbit will be around 56-60km due to the AB.
5. turn on auto-targeter
6. wait until all rats are red or yellow flashy and release the hounds/drones.
It's HIGHLY unlikely your drones will get aggro, if they do just recall ASAP (you did fit a nav computer didn't you?), and then repeat step 6.
You may need to target rats that only yellow box you as your drones will generally not attack them regardless of aggression settings.
Orbiting a can/MTU or sentries is not going to work, you need to orbit something near the rat spawn. |
Sabotaged
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
65
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Posted - 2016.06.18 13:48:55 -
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Sir Erighan wrote:You can make more than 2 mil in 2 hours using a hauler and civ guns. Seriously, you either have 0 SPs in drones or have no idea how to play. Watch some videos, learn how to deploy drones, and profit. A VNI can easily run 6/10 plexes and earn 30-50mil per hour in decent Angel space.
What the annoying thing is, isn't the isk, it's having to have a supply chain of faction drones and having to jump to a nearby station to refill without completing a single site. A lot of people in our alliance at the time was facing this issue in wicked creek. Tanking was never the problem, it was as soon as I dropped my drones almost always aggro would switch to them fairly quickly. One pops, I'd have to go back to the station to refill it because of lower dps. Never tried the ECM thing. I was kind of annoyed when I posted but I was looking for more information on the forums because info appears to be limited. |
Mikael Nolen
Occupational Hazzard
0
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Posted - 2016.06.19 13:04:29 -
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Sabotaged wrote: [Vexor Navy Issue, Vexor Navy Issue] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer I Fourier Compact Tracking Enhancer
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Republic Fleet Berserker x5
Your problem is your fit. You have no resistances on it. Also, why are you using tracking enhancers on a ship with no guns? Try this fit instead.
[Vexor Navy Issue, PvE] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
100MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Explosive Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II
Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1522
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Posted - 2016.06.20 00:46:12 -
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above post made me laugh, Newbean giving out advice so cute :D
FYI an omnidirectional tracking enhancer helps your drones' tracking, not your guns XD, the other one is probably a mistake
And the problem the OP is having is that his drones are dying, not him.
And my opinion on this: less afking possible in EVE the better |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
107
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Posted - 2016.06.20 05:25:23 -
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Sabotaged wrote:Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy. Made about 2 million in 2 hours. So far I find VNI to be completely worthless for plex's. I can last maybe 30 seconds in a Haven without losing complete shield. I warp in at 50 and orbit a can at 30. failure.
[Vexor Navy Issue, Vexor Navy Issue] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer I Fourier Compact Tracking Enhancer
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Republic Fleet Berserker x5
edit: I give up. After 3 hours of just wasting my time I lost another heavy the moment I put it out. Going to play dota 2 instead and just run incursions if I need isk.
I do null plexes and anoms( mostly havens) with heavies. They tank half my aggro just fine. Im going to say your either not using them correctly or you have low drone skills. I use t2s but i rarely lose one and almost never need to recall them.
You have to keep the drones moving. If they are "idle", they will die quickly. If one starts to take shield damage recall it immediately and relaunch it. |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
16
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Posted - 2016.06.21 14:02:26 -
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Damn, the vexor market in PH space is booming. Oh, a dreadnought spawn, let's warp in 30 derpy fitted vexors XD
Bout VNI... drone aggro is a pain sometimes, took me a couple of (lost) flights of heavies before figuring out when to deploy them and when it's ok to focus, for example, a webbing frig. Corpmate says he's doing comething completly oposite and that's working for him, I tried his approach and the rats (whole spawn, including BS rats) was immidietly on drones, blapping them. So idk, it's special per account, depends on ship fit (hes shield 4 dda, I fly armor, 3x dda), client ping, how often you pray to the Loot Fairy or if you were on mittens side in world war bee.
Some1 here suggested auto targeter, what's the point of having one if drones are set on auto aggro anyway? (sadly) if the rats only yellow-box you still have to target manually. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14203
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Posted - 2016.06.21 14:37:49 -
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Blade Darth wrote:Damn, the vexor market in PH space is booming. Oh, a dreadnought spawn, let's warp in 30 derpy fitted vexors XD
Bout VNI... drone aggro is a pain sometimes, took me a couple of (lost) flights of heavies before figuring out when to deploy them and when it's ok to focus, for example, a webbing frig. Corpmate says he's doing comething completly oposite and that's working for him, I tried his approach and the rats (whole spawn, including BS rats) was immidietly on drones, blapping them. So idk, it's special per account, depends on ship fit (hes shield 4 dda, I fly armor, 3x dda), client ping, how often you pray to the Loot Fairy or if you were on mittens side in world war bee.
Some1 here suggested auto targeter, what's the point of having one if drones are set on auto aggro anyway? (sadly) if the rats only yellow-box you still have to target manually.
There are a lot of myths about all manner of PVE issues, and the "auto-targeter keeps aggro off drones" is one of them. It doesn't. ECM (including burst jammers) and remote reps help because of how NPCs prioritize threats, but those aren't fool proof either. Something that most people don't know is that speed is also read as 'threat' by NPCs since CCPs AI upgrades years ago, which is why the speed tanked afk vni/ishtar works in the 1st place.
I use multiple VNIs daily (not together, rather in different anomalies, it's not uncommon for me to have 1 in a forsaken rally point and another in a forsaken hub for example) and I lose at most one tech II heavy drone per week. i've lost more drones warping off when a neutral comes into local than I have from npc aggro.
No ecm burst needed, no auto-targeter, no special tactics like 'wait for aggro and then deploy". No nothing.
I land, immediately deploy tech2 heavy drones (set to aggressive), click on some structure or rock in the anomaly and orbit at 30km with 100mn AB on, and then totally forget about that VNI for 15 minutes unless someone comes into local. I don't assign the drones to a target, they will do that when npcs aggro the vni. I've done this with the standard shield tanked vni, and with an armor tanked vni..
I don't know what people are doing wrong, but this whole thread just goes to show that some people could mess up a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without even trying lol. |
Galadaen
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.07.12 03:13:26 -
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Nomad Vherokic wrote:You may need to target rats that only yellow box you as your drones will generally not attack them regardless of aggression settings.
Why do the rats do that?
When this happens it also seems like the 'Non-Capsuleer Log-Off Timer' makes an annoying sound for each rat that has to be manually engaged by drones. |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
180
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Posted - 2016.07.12 12:05:24 -
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Galadaen wrote:Nomad Vherokic wrote:You may need to target rats that only yellow box you as your drones will generally not attack them regardless of aggression settings. Why do the rats do that? When this happens it also seems like the 'Non-Capsuleer Log-Off Timer' makes an annoying sound for each rat that has to be manually engaged by drones. because being yellow boxed is not always a bad thing IE: logi.
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