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Tarbro Abec
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.04.17 14:39:34 -
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1. Does the physical shape of a freighter (eg, Obelisk compared to Charon) affect the ability to bump it?
2. What are the issues and time required to effectively keep a freighter from aligning to warp?
3. I never AFK. In abstract-kinda-terms how much does that decrease the likelihood I'll get bumped until ganked?
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1230
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Posted - 2016.04.17 16:52:42 -
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Cargo value is the most important thing in a freighter gank. Low value = low chance of gank.
As far as shape, they're all huge. Very easy to bump. An experienced crew , if they select you for a target, is about 100% sure to finish the job. |
pushdogg
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
199
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Posted - 2016.04.17 20:06:53 -
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Ganking freighters takes a very coordinated effort to gank. I would advise a similar effort on your part.
Moving that much stuff should always be the collective effort of an entire corp. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11692
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Posted - 2016.04.17 21:25:19 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Cargo value is the most important thing in a freighter gank. Low value = low chance of gank.
As far as shape, they're all huge. Very easy to bump. An experienced crew , if they select you for a target, is about 100% sure to finish the job.
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
86
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Posted - 2016.04.17 22:05:13 -
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The Fenrir has the fastest natural align time, so that will help. Include three istabs and you'll be able to warp before they can get a good bump on you a lot of the time (depending on where you come out of the gate and where they are).
Get good at webbing your freighter and nothing will matter and it'll be pretty much impossible to bump you. |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
154
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Posted - 2016.04.21 20:59:18 -
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This may not be the answer you like, but use courier contracts for runs between hubs and freighter yourself from regional systems to the local hub. i.e. if you are sourcing stuff from Domain and selling them in Jita,
1. use your own freighter to move stuff from various systems in Domain to Amarr station
2. Courier contract the lot from Amarr to Jita
If you really want to fly the freighter yourself between the hubs, either make it totally not worth it (like carrying 2~500mil cargo in max hull tanked Obelisk) or get a webber support. Bear in mind though that even a max tanked Obelisk with empty cargo can be ganked for lulz.
With web support (and preferably a falcon scout on stand by too) it could actually be safer to take low-sec route between some hubs instead of going through the heavy traffic high-sec only routes. I mean if there's no one in local in low sec that's safer than ganker populated high-sec. Heck, if you had a proper support fleet, it's actually safer to move freighters through 1 or 2 low sec gates with your gang escort than moving a freighter in highsec with support. In low sec you can preemptively clear the gate with brute force if anyone's hanging around the gate.
I've done this a few times myself (moving freighters with escort), but also experienced indignity of watching a fleet move multiple freighters through low sec I was hanging out solo at the time because they had like a 20 men fleet escorting the freighters.
So basically pushdogg is right. If gankers are prepared to coordinate a fleet to gank you, don't expect an easy ride through their route in a solo freighter with no scouts and supports. Take the low sec route I say. At least you have potential for fun fight in a 'protect the VIP' kinda tactical scenario. I once lost a freighter in low sec while I was part of a small gang escort but at least that was some pretty fun 4 vs 4 small gang pvp involved around the gate. With the low slots+hull resist buff we have now though I think we would've made it through at that time. |
Kieron VonDeux
158
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Posted - 2016.04.22 17:33:25 -
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Empty Freighters and especially Jump Freighters are often targets as well.
The main point isn't always to make money but to ensure that the gank'd pilot loses more than the gankers do. It's simply a EULA legal form of grief play tbh.
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
277
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Posted - 2016.04.22 19:30:00 -
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CCP Fozzie announced a change in bumping mechanics during the ships & modules presentation at Fanfest. A bumper will not be able to prevent your ship from warping - they can only delay the warp for 3 minutes. To prevent a warp they must apply a point. He did not say when this is expected to be implemented. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4375
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Posted - 2016.04.25 11:05:06 -
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If you can get one, a webbing alt will solve all your problems.
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Amanda Chan
Error 404 Corporation not found Electroshock Therapy
107
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Posted - 2016.04.25 11:12:47 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:If you can get one, a webbing alt will solve all your problems.
Cause webbing alts are immune to suicide ganking and NOBODY has thought of using a sacrificial ship to point the freighter, while the bump is on the way... |
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4375
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Posted - 2016.04.25 11:21:23 -
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Amanda Chan wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:If you can get one, a webbing alt will solve all your problems. Cause webbing alts are immune to suicide ganking and NOBODY has thought of using a sacrificial ship to point the freighter, while the bump is on the way... Not sure what you're trying to say there, mate.
A webber is your best defense, especially against bumping. On top of that, it makes your trips quicker.
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Amanda Chan
Error 404 Corporation not found Electroshock Therapy
107
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Posted - 2016.04.25 11:29:14 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Amanda Chan wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:If you can get one, a webbing alt will solve all your problems. Cause webbing alts are immune to suicide ganking and NOBODY has thought of using a sacrificial ship to point the freighter, while the bump is on the way... Not sure what you're trying to say there, mate. A webber is your best defense, especially against bumping. On top of that, it makes your trips quicker.
Gankers generally use scouts along the trade pipes. To know juicy targets. If they see a webber, they can either: a) kill the webber b) jam the webber c) the easiest one which is just use a sacrificial ship to point the freighter. This buys enough time for the bumping ship to get a bump onto the freighter.
At that point, your only recourse is to use a warp in frigate like the daredevil. I prefer the daredevil, because I only need 1 web as opposed to 3 to reach the same effect.
I'm not saying a webbing alt is a bad idea. Infact, you shouldn't be boating a freighter without one. However, I don't want people under the assumption that they're safe just because they have one. |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
158
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Posted - 2016.04.28 02:31:19 -
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yeah you can't be 100% safe with a webbing alt, but it's probably one of the good options. Suicide ganking a webber support before he can apply the web on freighter is extremely difficult, when you consider locking a freighter & applying the web is pretty damn quick. Even with just 1 scripted sebo, Rapier can lock an Obelisk in 1 sec while instantly applying tripple web (and there's space for 2 more sebos if needed at all), and with the web range bonus it doesn't matter where the rapier decloaks off gate after gate jump.
Even if you consider time delays for someone who mutibox (like switching between clients, clicking to initiate warp for the freighter and then moving to lose the gate cloak on rapier & then to lock/insta web the freighter), I would say the time gankers have to suicide gank the Rapier is 4~5 seconds at most, even if we really stretch the odds in ganker's favour.
Suicide ganking a double plated+trimark tanked rapier in this short period of time is not an easy task.
I'm not saying this can't be done, but this is as safe as it gets IMO. Cloaky nullified T3 is very hard to catch when completely fit for travelling, but they do get caught, but for every travel T3 caught there must be thousands of travel T3 that escaped. So the odd is pretty damn low.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
430
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Posted - 2016.05.01 05:11:41 -
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Amanda Chan wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Amanda Chan wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:If you can get one, a webbing alt will solve all your problems. Cause webbing alts are immune to suicide ganking and NOBODY has thought of using a sacrificial ship to point the freighter, while the bump is on the way... Not sure what you're trying to say there, mate. A webber is your best defense, especially against bumping. On top of that, it makes your trips quicker. Gankers generally use scouts along the trade pipes. To know juicy targets. If they see a webber, they can either: a) kill the webber b) jam the webber c) the easiest one which is just use a sacrificial ship to point the freighter. This buys enough time for the bumping ship to get a bump onto the freighter. At that point, your only recourse is to use a warp in frigate like the daredevil. I prefer the daredevil, because I only need 1 web as opposed to 3 to reach the same effect. I'm not saying a webbing alt is a bad idea. Infact, you shouldn't be boating a freighter without one. However, I don't want people under the assumption that they're safe just because they have one.
Gully never implied that, you are just being an @ss.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5059
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Posted - 2016.05.05 02:29:49 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:A webber is your best defense, especially against bumping. On top of that, it makes your trips quicker. Or just wait the 3 minutes.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
93
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Posted - 2016.05.05 20:09:07 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:A webber is your best defense, especially against bumping. On top of that, it makes your trips quicker. Or just wait the 3 minutes.
What 3 minutes? |
Amanda Chan
Error 404 Corporation not found Electroshock Therapy
112
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Posted - 2016.05.06 08:31:01 -
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After 3 minutes of attempting to initiate warp, unless your pointed/scrammed/infi pointed/in a bubble. Off you go regardless of alignment. |
Amanda Chan
Error 404 Corporation not found Electroshock Therapy
112
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Posted - 2016.05.06 08:37:45 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Amanda Chan wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Amanda Chan wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:If you can get one, a webbing alt will solve allyour problems. Cause webbing alts are immune to suicide ganking and NOBODY has thought of using a sacrificial ship to point the freighter, while the bump is on the way... Not sure what you're trying to say there, mate. A webber is your best defense, especially against bumping. On top of that, it makes your trips quicker. Gankers generally use scouts along the trade pipes. To know juicy targets. If they see a webber, they can either: a) kill the webber b) jam the webber c) the easiest one which is just use a sacrificial ship to point the freighter. This buys enough time for the bumping ship to get a bump onto the freighter. At that point, your only recourse is to use a warp in frigate like the daredevil. I prefer the daredevil, because I only need 1 web as opposed to 3 to reach the same effect. I'm not saying a webbing alt is a bad idea. Infact, you shouldn't be boating a freighter without one. However, I don't want people under the assumption that they're safe just because they have one. Gully never implied that, you are just being an @ss.
I'm pretty sure when you use the word ALL. It's inclusive to all things that can go wrong, which a webbing alt does not solve. |
Digger Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2016.05.06 20:15:53 -
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Tarbro Abec wrote: 1. Does the physical shape of a freighter (eg, Obelisk compared to Charon) affect the ability to bump it?
2. What are the issues and time required to effectively keep a freighter from aligning to warp?
3. I never AFK. In abstract-kinda-terms how much does that decrease the likelihood I'll get bumped until ganked?
1. No, all ships are spheres.
2. One bumping ship, and if the change made it, one noobship per 3 minutes.
3. 0%. Ganking is currently overbuffed and being too easy, it doesn't matter if the target is piloted or not. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2482
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Posted - 2016.05.07 10:54:56 -
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Amanda Chan wrote:After 3 minutes of attempting to initiate warp, unless your pointed/scrammed/infi pointed/in a bubble. Off you go regardless of alignment. But you will be pointed if they are really trying to kill you. Sacrificing a noobship for a shot at a billion ISK payday is a no-brainier.
A webbing alt is a good counter, but not perfect, especially if you are silly enough to put many multi-billions of ISK in your flying loot pi+Ķata. If you have to move something that valuable, just use a more robust and bump-immune form of transport like a DST or a brick-tanked T3 cruiser.
Why Do They Gank?
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nezroy
Nice Clan
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Posted - 2016.05.08 03:16:04 -
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Amanda Chan wrote:After 3 minutes of attempting to initiate warp, unless your pointed/scrammed/infi pointed/in a bubble. Off you go regardless of alignment.
Except this isn't actually in the game yet. |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
100
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Posted - 2016.05.08 03:47:20 -
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Amanda Chan wrote:After 3 minutes of attempting to initiate warp, unless your pointed/scrammed/infi pointed/in a bubble. Off you go regardless of alignment.
Yeah didn't realize he was talking about that coming up since we were talking about now, I realize what he meant now that you mention it though |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2020
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Posted - 2016.05.12 15:49:49 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Amanda Chan wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:If you can get one, a webbing alt will solve all your problems. Cause webbing alts are immune to suicide ganking and NOBODY has thought of using a sacrificial ship to point the freighter, while the bump is on the way... Not sure what you're trying to say there, mate. A webber is your best defense, especially against bumping. On top of that, it makes your trips quicker.
A scout is your best defense.
Common sense is also helpful. Niarja is the ganker's playground. Most ganks happen in a small number of 0.5 systems. The lion's share occur in Niarja. Niarja has not stations but quite a few gates. The 2 gates on the Amarr-Jita pipe is where all the bad stuff happens. It's pretty easy to use alternate gates to get through. Sure it's a few extra jumps, but you do avoid the 2 biggest gank spots in new eden.
Sloth and risk taking are your enemies. Avoid these at all costs. You obviously can't avoid all risk, but you can minimize it. Take steps to reduce your risk to an acceptable level and then if you get ganked - be OK with it. You took what you consider reasonable steps to safeguard your cargo and still got wonked - be OK with it - it's part of the game you logged in to play. Things don't always go your way in space - that's just how it is. |
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