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Aaron Honk
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Posted - 2016.04.22 07:49:43 -
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> https://i.imgur.com/ysVsc23.png
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4fw4cz/this_just_in_xl_citadel_blueprint_cost_increased/d2chu1y |
Kyra Lee
Ixian Machines TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2016.04.22 08:38:25 -
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So they release a blog detailing all of the parts and quantities required to build a citadel. The market speculators and large scale industrialist buy and manipulate things. Then CCP raises the price of the BPO to match the newly inflated price. That sounds completely dumb. Why not just make all BPO value based off of the estimated value of its inputs? We could have a 100% dynamic BPO market. I'm sure that would make everyone happy.
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.04.22 08:52:09 -
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Well, the price hardly matters. It's not a personal asset anyway, as deploying it requires holding sov if I remember correctly.
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Aaron Honk
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Posted - 2016.04.22 08:59:14 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Well, the price hardly matters. It's not a personal asset anyway, as deploying it requires holding sov if I remember correctly.
It doesn't require sov |
Lord Ra
Section XII The Southern Querious Drug Cartel
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Posted - 2016.04.22 09:04:55 -
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1.2t LOL is this april fools?. |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.04.22 09:07:15 -
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Aaron Honk wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Well, the price hardly matters. It's not a personal asset anyway, as deploying it requires holding sov if I remember correctly. It doesn't require sov
I could've sworn I read that it did somewhere. If it doesn't, that's good. Now they just need to let people build supercapitals in lowsec.
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Aaron Honk
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Posted - 2016.04.22 09:14:03 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:
I could've sworn I read that it did somewhere. If it doesn't, that's good. Now they just need to let people build supercapitals in lowsec.
You won't be able to manufacture stuff in a citadel, they will release another structure in full for industry needs |
Rhivre
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Posted - 2016.04.22 10:45:15 -
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Kyra Lee wrote:So they release a blog detailing all of the parts and quantities required to build a citadel. The market speculators and large scale industrialist buy and manipulate things. Then CCP raises the price of the BPO to match the newly inflated price. That sounds completely dumb. Why not just make all BPO value based off of the estimated value of its inputs? We could have a 100% dynamic BPO market. I'm sure that would make everyone happy.
Not to future self, don't stockpile goods in preparation of a patch...
Thats not what happened. (also, Hai mom, I am in a reddit post!)
What happened is:
XL citadels were going to cost 10% of the BPO cost, so, 70b.
CCP considered, and thought this was too cheap, so they increased the materials to 20%, or 135b base (Which is closer to 300b atm).
We knew this, this was fine. However, Ytterbium said the BPO price would stay the same, so we assumed it would, until last night when Nullarbor said it was 1200B, and had been changed 5 weeks ago, but they forgot to tell us.
the change in BPO price is to bring it in line with mats being 10% of the BPO cost. (before speculation drove prices up)
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Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.04.22 15:28:14 -
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I don't normally like to give a straight up insult (especially to a dev), but whoever thought balancing the cost of the BPO with the cost of the materials AND THEN redoing the calculation to account for market speculation should be slapped and told that was a stupid idea. In fact, taking the market data as of 1 day (heck even 1 week) to make a market/economic decision is so stupid.
IF they had said they had taken the market data over past year or two into consideration, then we could talk. However, what they have done is forever locked the BPO price to todays market. Granted all BPOs are locked in right now, but what CCP did was pull data at the worst time to get reliable and accurate data as to the health of the economy. We have one of the largest wars going on, a major patch coming up for capitals, and then the patch for citadels. there is so much market speculation going on right now, the data they pulled is not realistic for Eve.
Seriously, the economic decisions from how this was calculated to the market tax rate increase to force the market into Citadels have been so bad lately. |
Taosst
X-PERTS Static Collapse
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Posted - 2016.04.22 15:40:19 -
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It wasn't the inflated cost of materials that they adjusted to, but the increase in build materials that resulted in a higher build cost. Since then of course, the PI prices have increased even further.
Using their first computations of:
Medium Citadel build cost of 700M, blueprint 7b Large Citadel build cost of 7b, blueprint 70b XL Citadel build cost of 70b, blueprint 700b.
Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b. So they adjusted the blueprint to be in line with the others at 10x the build cost and it went from 700b to 1200b
Since then, PI prices has pushed the build costs up even further. |
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Rhivre
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Posted - 2016.04.22 15:55:25 -
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Taosst wrote:It wasn't the inflated cost of materials that they adjusted to, but the increase in build materials that resulted in a higher build cost. Since then of course, the PI prices have increased even further.
Using their first computations of:
Medium Citadel build cost of 700M, blueprint 7b Large Citadel build cost of 7b, blueprint 70b XL Citadel build cost of 70b, blueprint 700b.
Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b. So they adjusted the blueprint to be in line with the others at 10x the build cost and it went from 700b to 1200b
Since then, PI prices has pushed the build costs up even further.
Exactly
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InterStellar Architect
InterStellar Architects Corporation
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Posted - 2016.04.22 18:51:46 -
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I'm not surprised, and actually approve of this announcement.
I think the possibility of raising prices have always been on the drawing board, even before they announced the the 700 Bil price tag.
By the way, when they released the info they did say things could change. |
Kyra Lee
Ixian Machines TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2016.04.24 09:59:34 -
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Taosst wrote:Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b. I did not know that. I retract my previous statement then. Do you know where that information was communicated to us at? |
Aaron Honk
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Posted - 2016.04.24 11:46:28 -
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Kyra Lee wrote:Taosst wrote:Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b. I did not know that. I retract my previous statement then. Do you know where that information was communicated to us at?
I think it was announced somewhere on the forum, not in a new thread tho |
Rhivre
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Posted - 2016.04.24 13:40:35 -
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Aaron Honk wrote:Kyra Lee wrote:Taosst wrote:Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b. I did not know that. I retract my previous statement then. Do you know where that information was communicated to us at? I think it was announced somewhere on the forum, not in a new thread tho
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6368506#post6368506
Here, although they said that the BPO would stay the same price.
Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread.
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sci0gon
Kaira Innovations Superior Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2016.04.24 16:53:40 -
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Rhivre wrote:Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread.
I know you guys are upset with the change but why didnt you bother checking sisi yourselves? not everything they say and do always passes and even then sometimes they ninja in something too which is why sisi is very helpful for future releases and identifying those things. |
Aaron Honk
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Posted - 2016.04.24 16:58:09 -
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sci0gon wrote:Rhivre wrote:Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread. I know you guys are upset with the change but why didnt you bother checking sisi yourselves? not everything they say and do always passes and even then sometimes they ninja in something too which is why sisi is very helpful for future releases and identifying those things.
You can't check this on SiSi as every item is 100isk |
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations Superior Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2016.04.24 17:40:44 -
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Aaron Honk wrote:sci0gon wrote:Rhivre wrote:Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread. I know you guys are upset with the change but why didnt you bother checking sisi yourselves? not everything they say and do always passes and even then sometimes they ninja in something too which is why sisi is very helpful for future releases and identifying those things. You can't check this on SiSi as every item is 100isk you can as I have known since 18th of march and shared that info with a few people from the blueprint sales channel. I admit they did change it so that more stations were seeding at 100 isk p/u but there are still places you can check from |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.04.24 17:45:30 -
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sci0gon wrote:Rhivre wrote:Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread. I know you guys are upset with the change but why didnt you bother checking sisi yourselves? not everything they say and do always passes and even then sometimes they ninja in something too which is why sisi is very helpful for future releases and identifying those things.
Sisi's good for function, but useless for pricing unfortunately |
Aaron Honk
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Posted - 2016.04.25 01:09:42 -
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sci0gon wrote: you can as I have known since 18th of march and shared that info with a few people from the blueprint sales channel. I admit they did change it so that more stations were seeding at 100 isk p/u but there are still places you can check from
I don't know where you found your information but I roamed the region on sisi and I found no places where the BPO would be seeded at another price than 100isk |
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2016.04.25 02:12:38 -
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sci0gon wrote:Rhivre wrote:Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread. I know you guys are upset with the change but why didnt you bother checking sisi yourselves? not everything they say and do always passes and even then sometimes they ninja in something too which is why sisi is very helpful for future releases and identifying those things.
Please can you tell me what the NPC price of items is on SiSi.
I am happy that you have told me that SiSi is useful however, the problem was, that as Nullarbor said to us in slack, CCP themselves cannot see the NPC prices on SiSi.
I am, luckily aware of the uses of SiSi (although, I would like a direct export to evepraisal, would make linking citadel stuff in slack easier).
I am not upset about the change, as you can see from the reddit screenshot, I am merely expressing surprise that we have been told many times since the change was made, that it was 700b (including when I wrote my citadels guide, and it was checked by CCP)
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Caleb Ayrania
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Posted - 2016.04.25 06:04:39 -
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See the really smart thing CCP could do instead of the 100 isk on everything on SiSi would be to make near infinite npc seeded buy orders for Veldspar and Tritanium, at something like x1.000.000, then we would never have these problems and players could take part is making sure the test servers showed the right prices on things to come, and they could even out the speculative playing field a bit, if CCP "promised" to only change prices within and with good reasons, from what is initially injected into SiSi..
Crazy idea..! |
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations Superior Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2016.04.25 21:02:48 -
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Rhivre wrote:Please can you tell me what the NPC price of items is on SiSi.
I am happy that you have told me that SiSi is useful however, the problem was, that as Nullarbor said to us in slack, CCP themselves cannot see the NPC prices on SiSi.
I am, luckily aware of the uses of SiSi (although, I would like a direct export to evepraisal, would make linking citadel stuff in slack easier).
I am unsure which prices you are after, if you are after component pricing that can not be done by npc pricing as the market for those items is player driven.
however if its for the bpo pricing this link will help you with a full list of pricing for the components for the citadels.
http://www.eve-guardian.net/article/30/a-not-so-brief-guide-to-citadels-part-ii-building-your-citadel
just ignore the citadel bpo pricing tho :P |
Rhivre
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Posted - 2016.04.25 21:39:59 -
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sci0gon wrote:Rhivre wrote:Please can you tell me what the NPC price of items is on SiSi.
I am happy that you have told me that SiSi is useful however, the problem was, that as Nullarbor said to us in slack, CCP themselves cannot see the NPC prices on SiSi.
I am, luckily aware of the uses of SiSi (although, I would like a direct export to evepraisal, would make linking citadel stuff in slack easier). I am unsure which prices you are after, if you are after component pricing that can not be done by npc pricing as the market for those items is player driven. however if its for the bpo pricing this link will help you with a full list of pricing for the components for the citadels. http://www.eve-guardian.net/article/30/a-not-so-brief-guide-to-citadels-part-ii-building-your-citadel just ignore the citadel bpo pricing tho :P
It was the NPC pricing I was querying.
The BPO pricing is what was the issue ;), but, thanks for reading!
those damn BPO prices, they keep wibbling about faster than I can keep up...its like catching jelly.
Although, I do admit to ignoring being told about changes as I am writing :p
Also, Caveats should be used every sentence instead of every paragraph
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.04.26 15:50:55 -
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I knew it that they will raise bpo price. Not from sisi, just from the material of bpo that has been doubled from what they stated in dev blog. It doesn't make sense that XL saves 50% cost of blueprint than other sizes |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.04.26 20:14:08 -
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Hmm ... I wonder how much ISK in POS BPO I have.
Don't suppose anyone has done the math already for all the POS BPO?
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Makeleth Riatu Solette
I Want ISK Corp
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Posted - 2016.04.27 16:58:25 -
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So someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the price is still 700b. At least that's what I saw a KeepStar at.
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sci0gon
Kaira Innovations Superior Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2016.04.27 17:52:22 -
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Makeleth Riatu Solette wrote:So someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the price is still 700b. At least that's what I saw a KeepStar at. i was pretty surprised by that too, sisi had them priced at 1.2 tril which was up till now always correct.
also to help you guys in the future this pic should give you some info to help you get the potential npc pricing
http://oi66.tinypic.com/2rcy1ya.jpg |
InterStellar Architect
InterStellar Architects Corporation
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Posted - 2016.04.28 06:34:18 -
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sci0gon wrote:Makeleth Riatu Solette wrote:So someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the price is still 700b. At least that's what I saw a KeepStar at. i was pretty surprised by that too, sisi had them priced at 1.2 tril which was up till now always correct. also to help you guys in the future this pic should give you some info to help you get the potential npc pricing http://oi66.tinypic.com/2rcy1ya.jpg
I guess they thought the 1.2 trillion price tag would be too cost prohibitive.
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