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Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.12.31 06:20:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Interesting to see this Matari "award" plagued by a flawed voting system full of proxy voters, harassment of nominees, and general chaos.
Very fitting.
I'll contrast that with PIE's extremely orderly nominating process and awards for the last several years.
The "Freedom Fighter of the Year Award" shows that as with most things, Amarrians did it first, and better.
You either set a very poor or a very good example of your people, either way you do nothing to convince me that there is anything better about the Amarr at all.
Only waiting for the perfect moment to cry "I told you so", as if you've ever been so ambitious.
Taking pride in something you have no understanding of.
You never add anything to a conversation. You are not an interesting person. You are not entertaining or inspiring. You're just an old woman so sure of herself that you've escaped your own restraint.
I urge you to get your hands dirty again, go back a few steps and experience life instead of commenting on how others have failed to appease your own meaningless sense of self-worth. EVE Online IdeaTorrent |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
356
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Posted - 2011.12.31 10:42:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Interesting to see this Matari "award" plagued by a flawed voting system full of proxy voters, harassment of nominees, and general chaos.
Very fitting.
I'll contrast that with PIE's extremely orderly nominating process and awards for the last several years. Yeah, it's very fitting that the enemies of the Minmatar are more childish than the enemies of the Amarr. |
Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
227
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Posted - 2011.12.31 14:27:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Interesting to see this Matari "award" plagued by a flawed voting system full of proxy voters, harassment of nominees, and general chaos.
Very fitting.
I'll contrast that with PIE's extremely orderly nominating process and awards for the last several years.
The "Freedom Fighter of the Year Award" shows that as with most things, Amarrians did it first, and better.
You either set a very poor or a very good example of your people, either way you do nothing to convince me that there is anything better about the Amarr at all. Only waiting for the perfect moment to cry "I told you so", as if you've ever been so ambitious. Taking pride in something you have no understanding of. You never add anything to a conversation. You are not an interesting person. You are not entertaining or inspiring. You're just an old woman so sure of herself that you've escaped your own restraint. I urge you to get your hands dirty again, go back a few steps and experience life instead of commenting on how others have failed to appease your own meaningless sense of self-worth.
But you have to admit that all this seems pretty messy from the outside. At least, to me.
Which is not so surprising for a "first time", though. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1133
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Posted - 2011.12.31 14:44:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Interesting to see this Matari "award" plagued by a flawed voting system full of proxy voters, harassment of nominees, and general chaos.
Very fitting.
I'll contrast that with PIE's extremely orderly nominating process and awards for the last several years.
The "Freedom Fighter of the Year Award" shows that as with most things, Amarrians did it first, and better.
Freedom is messy. Tyranny is always tidy.
But not sure that was quite the point you were making.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
528
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Posted - 2011.12.31 14:54:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:But you have to admit that all this seems pretty messy from the outside. At least, to me.
Which is not so surprising for a "first time", though. Roughly that, yes.
The organizers took a few bold steps. They went for transparency and openness from the beginning: They wanted to be inclusive. On a medium like IGS, that always invites the trolls and kids to try and mess with things.
For example, the initial "scandal" was about openly admitting that an obvious and well-known Amarrian spy in the TLF is not going to get the prize for "freedom fighter of the year". That's expected, and no one would assume otherwise. All those proposals were, were an attempt to troll this prize with "but your original rules said I could do this, trololololo". The main "undoing" of the organizers here was being open about it: First, open about the admission phase, and second, open about the exclusion. The only reason this ever got to a point of "scandal" was a few disgruntled Amarrians playing schoolyard kids.
The second "scandal" was a bit more problematic. The cause was a technical problem: Public, anonymous voting is not secure. A bit of foresight and knowledge about the childish nature of a lot of pilots could have told them that it will be abused, one way or the other. This could have been avoided, and probably should be for future prizes. (If the organizers are interested, I'd be willing to discuss the technical side of a reliable one-vote-per-TLF-pilot system.)
To avoid these problems, it would have been easy to simply copy the PIE prize. They are not open about the selection phase at all (which is their perfect right - it's their prize), so both of the "scandals" in this prize would have been avoided. It was not a direct copy, and the implementation of the changes proved to be troublesome.
The more interesting aspect here are the peanut gallery Amarrians who try to use this as some kind of exercise in reliving their schoolyard times. It must be pretty embarrassing for the Empire (and Kingdom) to be "represented" by such people. |
Pax Thar
Teraa Matar
41
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Posted - 2011.12.31 21:07:00 -
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Id just like to echo waht Mr. Sadik has already said, and make some suggestions for future contests, even if they may fall of deaf ears.
I would suggest that the nomination phase be coucil-based and not public. Perhaps get the donors together and select nominees. That way you can somewhat control who get the prizes and not get butthurt when someone not in the cool club gets in there. Public voting get everyone involved and is good overall in my opinion, but there has to be a 1 vote limit, perhaps a registration could be required.
My candidate has withdrawn so I no longer have a dog in the fight, good luck to those still involved. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
650
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Posted - 2012.01.01 12:55:00 -
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And the winner is Annah Kitheran, with Ava Starfire as the runner-up. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
92
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Posted - 2012.01.03 16:54:00 -
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ARBANE was robbed. |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
180
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Posted - 2012.01.03 17:16:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:ARBANE was robbed.
I have a bullet I would like to offer as a consolation prize, but due to its value I would only feel comfortable if Arbane would come to me to collect it. EVE Online IdeaTorrent |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
658
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Posted - 2012.01.06 18:52:00 -
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I find it curious that the organiser of this contest still hasn't officially confirmed the winners Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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