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Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:25:41 -
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I have been thinking about the Shathol'Syn ritual, and about how in a time when we have had several Emperors and Empresses in only a few years, that perhaps it might not be ideal.
The intent, as everyone knows, is so that the new Empress can consolidate her position, without being challenged by the Heirs, as they would similarly be consolidating their new positions.
However, as recent events show, there is the possibility of an Emperor or Empress being assassinated after only a short time in office.
And with several Heirs in the past being some of the Imperial Navy's more capable commanders, (I am thinking of Lord Arrach Sarum as an example), or other capable administrators or scholars, then, when there are many Emperors in few years, then a lot of the Empire's talents end up going through Shathol'Syn, when they could still be of use to the Empire. I am thinking here, of such things as losing capable Navy commanders, when the war against the Drifters has not yet resulted in their Reclaiming.
So, I am wondering if there might be an alternative.
Certainly, for lesser individuals than Heirs, there is the option of renouncing all titles and wealth, and living out their natural lifespan in quiet contemplation of the Scriptures.
Would that be suitable for an Heir, letting them live out their life in contemplation, unless recalled to service in times of the Empire's need ? I don't know.
But if it was, then I, for one, would be willing to serve the Empire, and care for former Heirs living in quiet contemplation of Scripture.
That was my thought on this.
I am sure the Theology Council and the Empress herself will make the right decision for the Empire.
Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/
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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
700
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Posted - 2016.04.26 20:30:48 -
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I, for one, whole heartedly support this ritual and am willing to donate knives for those partaking in it..... don't mind the rust, they still cut just fine.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
4182
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Posted - 2016.04.27 00:15:33 -
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Louella Dougans wrote:The intent, as everyone knows, is so that the new Empress can consolidate her position, without being challenged by the Heirs, as they would similarly be consolidating their new positions.
To me, the alleged logic of this given reason has always seemed a little weak. The Heirs after all will be interested in cultivating their own intelligent, driven and competent successors, who will ideally have been politicking, trading, commanding and generally honing their skills for a long time before the succession.
Certainly, during the interregnum and in the interval after the new emperor has been decided, the Heirs will have plenty of opportunity to counsel their successors and provide whatever input they can to help with all of this consolidation, as part of putting their affairs in order.
So really, if the ritual does ease and disrupt any obstacles to the new emperor's authority, the effect must surely be minor at best...
And meanwhile the empire has only increased its uncertainty, wasted its talent and compounded death with further death.
Still, it's not my place to tell Amarrians how to conduct their business. The whole Empire is built in traditions that seem irrational and counterproductive to my way of thinking, but I guess that's because I'm an ignorant heathen.
http://hfy-archive.org/book/deathworlders
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Sinjin Mokk
Angelis Exploration
857
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Posted - 2016.04.27 01:22:06 -
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It's a wasteful practice with no true connection to Scripture.
God chose her to be Empress. I think we can have a little faith in His selection and trust that the Heirs are not going to immediately try to depose her. If one does, then she can deal with that individual and House as best she can.
The Empress-Apparent will either chose to eliminate the Heirs, or she won't. The decision is hers and hers alone.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2594
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Posted - 2016.04.27 04:17:20 -
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In our culture it was usual for a disgrace of a warrior for them to take their lives. Even good Caldari captains, disregarding their merits, were known to take their lives if honor demanded it.
What is more important, is that the Heirs agreed to the terms and they knew what they are going into. They shall commit it because their Honor would demand it.
There are things more valuable for humans than lives. Honorable Caldari and Amarr soldiers understand it. And what about you, readers?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1364
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Posted - 2016.04.27 05:34:51 -
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Death, or life imprisonment in the dungeons of the Evil Space Nuns.
Gosh.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
265
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Posted - 2016.04.27 06:58:55 -
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Diana Kim wrote:In our culture it was usual for a disgrace of a warrior for them to take their lives. Even good Caldari captains, disregarding their merits, were known to take their lives if honor demanded it.
What is more important, is that the Heirs agreed to the terms and they knew what they are going into. They shall commit it because their Honor would demand it.
There are things more valuable for humans than lives. Honorable Caldari and Amarr soldiers understand it. And what about you, readers?
Always keep your word and honor your promises.
But don't make stupid promises.
This ritual as a requirement for eligibility is a stupid promise.
If the Amarrian emperor turnover rate is to be considered, I think the Empire will start suffering some brain drain soon amongst its royal houses.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Skyweir Kinnison
Coldhammer Harvest LLC
228
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Posted - 2016.04.27 08:38:49 -
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It has always bemused me. The practice seems to be rooted in the belief that Heirs are inherently untrustworthy.
Surely in a religious society, a simple oath of fealty publicly witnessed, would be sufficient to remove an heir from any aspiration to succession whilst the Emperor lived. No need for seclusion - make use of their talents.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
643
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Posted - 2016.04.27 13:00:25 -
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Louella Dougans wrote:I am sure the Theology Council and the Empress herself will make the right decision for the Empire. That's really all that needs to be said on this topic. They already decided, by the way. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2049
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Posted - 2016.04.27 13:35:04 -
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Skyweir Kinnison wrote:It has always bemused me. The practice seems to be rooted in the belief that Heirs are inherently untrustworthy.
Surely in a religious society, a simple oath of fealty publicly witnessed, would be sufficient to remove an heir from any aspiration to succession whilst the Emperor lived. No need for seclusion - make use of their talents.
Without wholly disagreeing, Mr. Kinnison, it's at least as much the heirs' vassals as the heirs themselves (though there's obvious precedent for that being a problem).
Loyalty and deeply-held belief can make a pretty potent mix. Have somebody throw in allegations that the Trials were rigged or something, and you have an easy recipe for civil war with every succession. Cutting other options out of the equation keeps the other great houses busy for a while and denies any overzealous vassals a focal point for their campaigns.
It's a pretty ruthless practice, but not irrational by any means. |
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Slobodan Hawkwood
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
60
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Posted - 2016.04.27 13:47:00 -
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This topic is out of place right now, it's for Theology Council and the Empress to decide after coronation is done (if they are pleased to do so).
You don't change "rules of the game" in the middle of "the game", no matter how great are current Heirs . I think the lose of Lord Ardishapur is very, very sad thing (I was his supporter in succession trials), but I accept it as a Lord's will. We should all do for other noble Heirs too.
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Paladin's Creed
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2475
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Posted - 2016.04.27 16:58:36 -
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If the events of the last few years show us anything, it's that a small number of supporters of unsuccessful heirs will snipe, agitate, and seek to undermine the authority of the Emperor no matter what their favoured candidate says or does.
As such, perhaps it is best that the unsuccessful heirs remove themselves from the equation.
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
705
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Posted - 2016.04.27 17:34:40 -
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The successful one should as well. I mean, really, the Empire was getting along just fine without a ruler, why muck with a good thing......
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Vollhov Jr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.04.29 18:47:11 -
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Too late.... |
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