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Akil Thamir
Krupp-Stahl The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:28:38 -
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As far as I understand the whole market thing it is perfectly possible to buy and sell stuff on any citadel even if it does not have a market module.
Look at the NPC stations: There are stations with market service and stations without - but you can sell / buy stuff on both. To me it never was clear what purpose the market service actually has ... have asked that before on the forums but never got a satisfying answer.
Regarding Citadels as far as I know the picture is the same: You can place sell & buy orders on any of them. The only difference in having a market module fitted to the citadel is for the owner being able to influence taxes and make money with it. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:31:02 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Not even close a citadel has a small force multiplier but you need a similar sized defence fleet to protect all sizes However a medium you only need to defend 1/2 as often as a large. The difference in hisec is simply this, no capitals, rather like putting a Large in a C1. Add to that the attitude of almost all the hisec merc corps that refuse to take out large POS's As long as hisec entities did not upset larger 0.0 alliances they would find an XL easier to defend then a Medium against the threat matrix in hisec. You live in Wh space, I live in hisec and 0.0. The larger citadels generally get better at defending themselves from capitals rather than sub caps. And it takes more effort to kill a med citadel than it does to kill a large pos so after these things lose their novelty I can't imagine many in hs getting sieged (with asset security there is even less reward in killing them compared to pos)
As I play in hisec I am hoping that Citadels change the mentality of hisec, war decs mean nothing, and most non merc corps and alliances are small who go to ground and tear down their POS when under a war dec unless it is a large then they sit with glee waiting for the fun to start. Citadels and the new structure may change the dynamic and I hope they do.
In hisec its sub caps, mercs are not really able to put the numbers up as it scales upwards. Furthermore Allies would pile in on a defensive war dec which I hope would be the final structure of hisec. Hisec entities were complaining about people being able to put XL's in hisec because they thought that they were too safe.
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:33:20 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:So did you just glance over when I said they could just do the same thing for contracts? Fixing your issue as well as an issue involving new players accepting contacts from places they didn't know couldn't dock? That is a different issue, contracts do not work period, I have actually tried to do this using contracts, you suggested it, I said no having tried to do it, I repeat the options for contracts means I cannot cover the people I want to sell to. It does not work, I have limited numbers and I have to create contratcs for the same thing for the corp or alliance I am in and then for specifc people or make them for everyone, come on think it through.
So you want to circumvent the limited number of contacts? Overall it seems like you want to alert this in order to fit a very niche play style
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:36:28 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Not even close a citadel has a small force multiplier but you need a similar sized defence fleet to protect all sizes However a medium you only need to defend 1/2 as often as a large. The difference in hisec is simply this, no capitals, rather like putting a Large in a C1. Add to that the attitude of almost all the hisec merc corps that refuse to take out large POS's As long as hisec entities did not upset larger 0.0 alliances they would find an XL easier to defend then a Medium against the threat matrix in hisec. You live in Wh space, I live in hisec and 0.0. The larger citadels generally get better at defending themselves from capitals rather than sub caps. And it takes more effort to kill a med citadel than it does to kill a large pos so after these things lose their novelty I can't imagine many in hs getting sieged (with asset security there is even less reward in killing them compared to pos) As I play in hisec I am hoping that Citadels change the mentality of hisec, war decs mean nothing, and most non merc corps and alliances are small who go to ground and tear down their POS when under a war dec unless it is a large then they sit with glee waiting for the fun to start. Citadels and the new structure may change the dynamic and I hope they do. In hisec its sub caps, mercs are not really able to put the numbers up as it scales upwards. Furthermore Allies would pile in on a defensive war dec which I hope would be the final structure of hisec. Hisec entities were complaining about people being able to put XL's in hisec because they thought that they were too safe.
Yeah it would be nice if there was more meat to highsec but most merc corps are just looking for quick kills while nothing is going on on their main account odds are a few months from now they will ignore citadels just like they do pos. Right now you can even leave medium pos up and no one bothers it during a war unless that was their goal or you mouthed of in local
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:37:07 -
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Akil Thamir wrote:As far as I understand the whole market thing it is perfectly possible to buy and sell stuff on any citadel even if it does not have a market module.
Look at the NPC stations: There are stations with market service and stations without - but you can sell / buy stuff on both. To me it never was clear what purpose the market service actually has ... have asked that before on the forums but never got a satisfying answer.
Regarding Citadels as far as I know the picture is the same: You can place sell & buy orders on any of them. The only difference in having a market module fitted to the citadel is for the owner being able to influence taxes and make money with it.
All NPC stations have a market where you can buy / sell or both, I was not aware of any difference.
As far as you know, its an interesting point as I assumed that a market means no buy / sell at all, however if you are correct then it may meet my needs, I hope you are right, I was so disappointed as were many of the people I interact with to hear that there was no market module. How to have this confirmed?
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:38:52 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:So did you just glance over when I said they could just do the same thing for contracts? Fixing your issue as well as an issue involving new players accepting contacts from places they didn't know couldn't dock? That is a different issue, contracts do not work period, I have actually tried to do this using contracts, you suggested it, I said no having tried to do it, I repeat the options for contracts means I cannot cover the people I want to sell to. It does not work, I have limited numbers and I have to create contratcs for the same thing for the corp or alliance I am in and then for specifc people or make them for everyone, come on think it through. So you want to circumvent the limited number of contacts? Overall it seems like you want to alert this in order to fit a very niche play style
Contracts do not work, I wanted a market that I control access to, taht is a conflict driver in itself, nothing to do with a niche play style, WH space is a niche playstyle isn't it, but you get adjustments like full loot drops.
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:42:19 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Yeah it would be nice if there was more meat to highsec but most merc corps are just looking for quick kills while nothing is going on on their main account odds are a few months from now they will ignore citadels just like they do pos. Right now you can even leave medium pos up and no one bothers it during a war unless that was their goal or you mouthed of in local
I mouthed off to Marmite and they failed to take down my small, in any case the ability to shoot POS when they want is the issue especially in terms of casual players. I have taken down a Medium in hisec, its not that hard. Most hisec mercs are hub and pipe hunters and those that go after POS's tend to go after small POS's of people they think are no longer playing.
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2320
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:53:03 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:So did you just glance over when I said they could just do the same thing for contracts? Fixing your issue as well as an issue involving new players accepting contacts from places they didn't know couldn't dock? That is a different issue, contracts do not work period, I have actually tried to do this using contracts, you suggested it, I said no having tried to do it, I repeat the options for contracts means I cannot cover the people I want to sell to. It does not work, I have limited numbers and I have to create contratcs for the same thing for the corp or alliance I am in and then for specifc people or make them for everyone, come on think it through. So you want to circumvent the limited number of contacts? Overall it seems like you want to alert this in order to fit a very niche play style Contracts do not work, I wanted a market that I control access to, taht is a conflict driver in itself, nothing to do with a niche play style, WH space is a niche playstyle isn't it, but you get adjustments like full loot drops.
Then how does controlling access to the Contacts not work.
Public contact only ppl with docking rights can accept. Just like the market
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Akil Thamir
Krupp-Stahl The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:54:44 -
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Dracvlad wrote: All NPC stations have a market where you can buy / sell or both, I was not aware of any difference.
As far as you know, its an interesting point as I assumed that a market means no buy / sell at all, however if you are correct then it may meet my needs, I hope you are right, I was so disappointed as were many of the people I interact with to hear that there was no market module. How to have this confirmed?
Well to be honest I am not 100% sure about that.
But I seem to recall that in the past I stumbled upon NPC stations that did not have a market icon in the "station services" window. But even on those stations I could still open the market using the icon in the vertical menu left on the screen and buy/sell stuff.
Asking about how that will be with citadels I was told what I wrote above.
Yet I could have misunderstood or the guy answering could have misunderstood my question or CCP might have changed things since then ... so no guarantee, sorry :) |
Lugh Crow-Slave
2320
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:57:21 -
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And to be clear I have been against almost every change made to citadels just for wh the loot drop is just strange but the others have actually limited the citadels just to keep the wh meta similar. CCP is just terrified of upsetting that community again
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2320
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:58:23 -
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Akil Thamir wrote:Dracvlad wrote: All NPC stations have a market where you can buy / sell or both, I was not aware of any difference.
As far as you know, its an interesting point as I assumed that a market means no buy / sell at all, however if you are correct then it may meet my needs, I hope you are right, I was so disappointed as were many of the people I interact with to hear that there was no market module. How to have this confirmed?
Well to be honest I am not 100% sure about that. But I seem to recall that in the past I stumbled upon NPC stations that did not have a market icon in the "station services" window. But even on those stations I could still open the market using the icon in the vertical menu left on the screen and buy/sell stuff. Asking about how that will be with citadels I was told what I wrote above. Yet I could have misunderstood or the guy answering could have misunderstood my question or CCP might have changed things since then ... so no guarantee, sorry :)
No for you to sell something in a citadel it must have a market service
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 11:01:12 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:And to be clear I have been against almost every change made to citadels just for wh the loot drop is just strange but the others have actually limited the citadels just to keep the wh meta similar. CCP is just terrified of upsetting that community again
The WH people I know are mainly bailing because of the nerf to anoms, this is outside of the scope of this suggestion. For a start I would have the Citadel drop the loot in another Citadel in the WH, but if all well destroyed then it drops, buts thats just me...
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 11:03:04 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Akil Thamir wrote:Dracvlad wrote: All NPC stations have a market where you can buy / sell or both, I was not aware of any difference.
As far as you know, its an interesting point as I assumed that a market means no buy / sell at all, however if you are correct then it may meet my needs, I hope you are right, I was so disappointed as were many of the people I interact with to hear that there was no market module. How to have this confirmed?
Well to be honest I am not 100% sure about that. But I seem to recall that in the past I stumbled upon NPC stations that did not have a market icon in the "station services" window. But even on those stations I could still open the market using the icon in the vertical menu left on the screen and buy/sell stuff. Asking about how that will be with citadels I was told what I wrote above. Yet I could have misunderstood or the guy answering could have misunderstood my question or CCP might have changed things since then ... so no guarantee, sorry :) No for you to sell something in a citadel it must have a market service
I hope he is right, but I doubt it, I think you are correct.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2320
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Posted - 2016.04.27 11:05:26 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:And to be clear I have been against almost every change made to citadels just for wh the loot drop is just strange but the others have actually limited the citadels just to keep the wh meta similar. CCP is just terrified of upsetting that community again The WH people I know are mainly bailing because of the nerf to anoms, this is outside of the scope of this suggestion. For a start I would have the Citadel drop the loot in another Citadel in the WH, but if all well destroyed then it drops, buts thats just me...
Lol I would have let it just drop no matter the space and just make them harder to kill. But what anomaly nerf? Or are you taking about that bs they pulled in odyssey
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 11:15:36 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:And to be clear I have been against almost every change made to citadels just for wh the loot drop is just strange but the others have actually limited the citadels just to keep the wh meta similar. CCP is just terrified of upsetting that community again The WH people I know are mainly bailing because of the nerf to anoms, this is outside of the scope of this suggestion. For a start I would have the Citadel drop the loot in another Citadel in the WH, but if all well destroyed then it drops, buts thats just me... Lol I would have let it just drop no matter the space and just make them harder to kill. But what anomaly nerf? Or are you taking about that bs they pulled in odyssey
I have never lived in a WH, just go through them a lot..., he said something about time to do capital escalations now meaning that it would take more than double the time, I was not paying too much attention but it was such that they decided to leave WH space.
Capital Escalations The old capital escalation spawns have been replaced with smaller numbers of new NPCs that are intended to provide more engaging content for capital ships. These new escalation spawns are sleepers using the existing sleeper AI, have large signatures to ensure that they can be engaged fully by capital ships, and will prefer to shoot at capitals when available.Most of the value of the former escalation waves is being moved to a new Drifter NPC that can be spawned once the site has completed.
These new escalation spawns come in up to three waves, one for a dread, one for a carrier and one for a force auxiliary. There are 3 NPCs in each wave in C5s and 4 per wave in C6s.
The new escalation spawns are worth ~38m per wave in C5s and ~51m per wave in C6s. Most of the value of the former escalation waves is being moved to a new Drifter that can be spawned once the site has completed.
Spawning the new Drifter is optional, and is done by shooting a structure that decloaks when the site is completed.
The new Drifter is worth about 350m, mostly in blue loot but including salvage as well. This new Drifter is completely independent of the site, and will warp off if not pointed. This new Drifter spawns at the end of the site even if no capitals have been used. It is designed to be very challenging but to be doable both with and without capitals. It will however be much easier to kill using capitals.
Multiple Drifters can co-exist in the same wormhole system and will come to each other's aid if one gets attacked.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.27 11:31:00 -
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Oh that yeah they were in need of a nerf a long time ago and I think the added gameplay makes up for it but anyway this is getting tangential
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Jasmine Cheryu
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2016.04.27 13:12:26 -
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Get a large They are better They are not expensive
Also they have better defences and you can fit more things to it I don't see why you wouldn't get a large.. A solo player should get a medium.. but any groups or corps working together should get a large An alliance and/or coalition of alliances and corps should get an XL
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 13:30:38 -
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Jasmine Cheryu wrote:Get a large They are better They are not expensive Also they have better defences and you can fit more things to it I don't see why you wouldn't get a large.. A solo player should get a medium.. but any groups or corps working together should get a large An alliance and/or coalition of alliances and corps should get an XL
Well I have been listening to Jeffraider Show 24 and I am definitely warming to the Large because it has some serious defences, I just hope CCP does not nerf it. Well I guess I have to suck it as per normal, but it is still a shame...
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1960
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Posted - 2016.04.27 13:32:14 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:And to be clear I have been against almost every change made to citadels just for wh the loot drop is just strange but the others have actually limited the citadels just to keep the wh meta similar. CCP is just terrified of upsetting that community again The WH people I know are mainly bailing because of the nerf to anoms, this is outside of the scope of this suggestion. For a start I would have the Citadel drop the loot in another Citadel in the WH, but if all well destroyed then it drops, buts thats just me...
I quoted this response only due to its small size.
You are a liar. You Said you would block Lugh back on page 1. Since you are a liar, nothing you say is of much value.
In eve you must do what you say you will do or your credibility is pretty limited.
As to your original idea - don't cheap out - just buy a large. If you want a cheap throw away market structure that you don't have to defend - then you're pretty much not getting the point of SOV null. The amount of wrong in your thinking across most of these posts shows your lack of understanding of how this game does and should work.
Why would anyone fight for and hold SOV in null if there was a cheap and inexpensive option to living there?? Conducing extended operations in SOV null requires the investment of time and resources and carrying significant risk on your balance sheet or the whole thing breaks down. Your idea is bad for HS, LS and Null. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 14:34:17 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:And to be clear I have been against almost every change made to citadels just for wh the loot drop is just strange but the others have actually limited the citadels just to keep the wh meta similar. CCP is just terrified of upsetting that community again The WH people I know are mainly bailing because of the nerf to anoms, this is outside of the scope of this suggestion. For a start I would have the Citadel drop the loot in another Citadel in the WH, but if all well destroyed then it drops, buts thats just me... I quoted this response only due to its small size. You are a liar. You Said you would block Lugh back on page 1. Since you are a liar, nothing you say is of much value. In eve you must do what you say you will do or your credibility is pretty limited. As to your original idea - don't cheap out - just buy a large. If you want a cheap throw away market structure that you don't have to defend - then you're pretty much not getting the point of SOV null. The amount of wrong in your thinking across most of these posts shows your lack of understanding of how this game does and should work. Why would anyone fight for and hold SOV in null if there was a cheap and inexpensive option to living there?? Conducing extended operations in SOV null requires the investment of time and resources and carrying significant risk on your balance sheet or the whole thing breaks down. Your idea is bad for HS, LS and Null.
Well I was going to because there was too many Eve one liners, but the next post was more reasonable and informative, if I had have had another one liner I would have. Flexibility is key to everything, in the end I am glad I did not block him as we had a good exchange in the end.
Your opinion is that its bad, I already do this in null, I do PI, I kill rats, I do anoms, I do combat sites, I hack data and relic sites, all in Null and I do not do extended operations as you say. In fact building a Citadel is putting some skin in the game and in doing so I want it to be worth doing, now the only reason I might do it now is to wave my dangy thing around and say come on bro, what a great deal for 2.1bn... The fun part is that this is great for Hisec, but CCP has not allowed even baby steps by removing a key function. My opinion is based on the needs of casual players that want to build, not those that run around shooting stuff because they can and that player group which is larger then people realise is never looked after by CCP.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1961
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Posted - 2016.04.27 15:52:57 -
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If you can't come up w/ the isk for a large citadel - you don't really have a chance of successfully running a market. The "need a large citadel" entry barrier isn't at all high. If you can't come up w/ the scratch to drop a large, then you have no business trying to run a market. It really saves the weak and unworthy from heartache in the long run.
My no to your idea comes from the sub billion 'disposable' markets that could litter systems everywhere. Think of the clutter. And if you med gets blown up - no worries - the loot magicians move all your crap to safety.
All the rewards of cheaply setting up a market anywhere and no risk (OK you plunk down 600 mil on a med). I couldn't even see this in Bernie Sanders version of eve.
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Jasmine Cheryu
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
28
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Posted - 2016.04.27 16:00:34 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:If you can't come up w/ the isk for a large citadel - you don't really have a chance of successfully running a market. The "need a large citadel" entry barrier isn't at all high. If you can't come up w/ the scratch to drop a large, then you have no business trying to run a market. It really saves the weak and unworthy from heartache in the long run.
My no to your idea comes from the sub billion 'disposable' markets that could litter systems everywhere. Think of the clutter. And if you med gets blown up - no worries - the loot magicians move all your crap to safety.
All the rewards of cheaply setting up a market anywhere and no risk (OK you plunk down 600 mil on a med). I couldn't even see this in Bernie Sanders version of eve.
600mil? not likely (since that devblog... its gone up ALOT) A medium is more like 2 billion atm (1.9 to be exact..) and a large is around 27 billion
an XL? around 475 billion
If you want to check it.. put the blueprints into the industry window and check it out yourself =p |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1360
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Posted - 2016.04.27 16:07:36 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:If you can't come up w/ the isk for a large citadel - you don't really have a chance of successfully running a market. The "need a large citadel" entry barrier isn't at all high. If you can't come up w/ the scratch to drop a large, then you have no business trying to run a market. It really saves the weak and unworthy from heartache in the long run.
My no to your idea comes from the sub billion 'disposable' markets that could litter systems everywhere. Think of the clutter. And if you med gets blown up - no worries - the loot magicians move all your crap to safety.
All the rewards of cheaply setting up a market anywhere and no risk (OK you plunk down 600 mil on a med). I couldn't even see this in Bernie Sanders version of eve.
I and a couple of others ran a market in NPC 0.0 with no issues to meet the requirements of 50 toons operating in that area, a couple of JF's and a network of alts enabled us to do the necessary along with local T1 production by a number of other people.
Thank you for your benchmark advice but it sucks. If you want to equate that to a market HUB then thats your self imposed issue, thats what a Large and upwards should do.
You don't like people having funwith Mediums, such a shame and you sound bitter over the loot drop, how quaint, go to WH space and try it there, that will cheer you up.
Bernie is a plonker but are you trying to get this locked, how quaint.
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1363
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Posted - 2016.04.28 07:43:06 -
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Well I just looked at all the blueprint and their costs, all the materials required etc., and I am even more convinced that not having any market module for the Medium is an error.
A Large is a massive undertaking, not something that a small entity can do without a massive investment in time, effort and ISK.
Without any doubt I would not use a Large for what I wanted to do, a forward operating base in NPC 0.0 to control the market to supply a loose group of people, no way jose, because I expect it to die and that I would have to replace it multiple times, I and those with me do not have the capacity to support this. We had a talk last night and it was a very depressed one, it does not look like we will be doing this which is why we re-subbed.
In terms of the Medium without any market capability it is not worth putting up and we don't feel that there is any support for small independent entities in 0.0. I re-subbed for three months for Citadels with some excitement at the potential, but sadly it does not meet my requirements, I wish I had seen that the Medium did not have a market before I subbed, I only found out watching the live feed from Fanfest. My next three months will be spent in gathering what I need for a number of Mediums, but I will not put one in space. Now I will just watch and see how it develops and hope you decide to put a limited market module on the Medium.
I cannot express in words how disappointed I am.
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Jasmine Cheryu
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
30
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Posted - 2016.04.28 09:43:57 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Moan Moan MOAN
Old... but still relevent: http://i.imgur.com/DaqHol9.jpg
Deal with it
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1364
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Posted - 2016.04.28 09:57:24 -
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I have dealt with it, I gave my opinion, expressed my disappointment, explained that 4 of my contacts decided not to re-sub and the others that did only did for a month so they are OK, its fine, I don't need to look at any baby pictures from a typical Eve one line loser.
CCP has a history of changing things, so we decided that I would gather the stuff for multiple Mediums for the next three months and then wait and see while playing other games. Fine by me, there is no need to head butt a brick wall, I work on the basis that if you don't like it go do something else, its perfectly fine and dandy.
Have fun o7
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1968
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Posted - 2016.04.28 13:29:34 -
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Can't you just use an NPC station in NPC null? Literally continue on as you have in the past? |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1365
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Posted - 2016.04.28 13:49:49 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Can't you just use an NPC station in NPC null? Literally continue on as you have in the past?
Well the issue is trying not to supply enemies and to block enemies from profiting from my efforts and in doing that having a number of fights to defend the damn thing before it goes down in a blaze of glory while building up a group of like minded idiots, it was something new and exciting, but we only wanted to do it if it had value.
Just mark it down as another disappointment to vets, some of my group have been playing since the start of the game and that is what is sad about it. I had worked really hard to get them back in game too.
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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