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Lucifer Morningstar SoulTrader
Shore Leave Inc.
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Posted - 2016.04.27 08:56:01 -
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how many people here are going to move out of the default Trade Centers and make your own when you get a citadel
after all the tax rate is going to be ********
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
94
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Posted - 2016.04.27 09:32:04 -
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OMG THE SKY IS FALLING |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2016.04.27 09:48:03 -
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run for the hills!! |
Big Lynx
5873
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:00:03 -
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I like bananas |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1900
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Posted - 2016.04.27 12:34:39 -
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One does not simply make a new trade hub.
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Azela Charante
New Order Strategic Industrial CODE.
4
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Posted - 2016.04.27 12:46:19 -
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Jita has way to much product to just move to a different place, its not going to happen, i mean you could in theory if you had a large enough alliance maybe perhaps force a hub, but its still not going to change. |
Maker Atavuli
Core Intel
27
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Posted - 2016.05.05 14:55:31 -
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Folks are lazy and do NOT like change. If 4-4 is not burning people will trade there.
I am NOT crazy they made me take my medication this morning!
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
881
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Posted - 2016.05.05 14:57:47 -
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Magnu Stormhawk wrote:OMG THE SKY IS FALLING
WTS Skyproof umbrella
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Angelica Everstar
320
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Posted - 2016.05.05 21:35:18 -
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Jita will fall Charity Citadel will raise :D
§ Current Bond AE09 1 Trillion // Totaling Gëê 4,5 Trillon ISK
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Tertharan
5
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Posted - 2016.05.06 05:39:04 -
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Maker Atavuli wrote:Folks are lazy and do NOT like change. If 4-4 is not burning people will trade there.
I think it's silly to assume it will never happen. The devs have stated that they want the citadels to supplant NPC stations eventually. They've already raised NPC broker's fees once, there's no reason to assume they won't come up with more ways to incentivize people to switch if they're not satisfied.
Even as it is now, if someone built and demonstrated the ability to defend a Keepstar in a good convenient high sec location, set the fees low enough, and made refining free, I think people could be convinced to move their stuff. Not all at once, but over time. Not only would trading be cheaper, you'd have the advantage of the tethering system. No more station camping. And with the ability to look outside the station, you'd be able to amuse yourself watching people try to blow the thing up while you station trade. |
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Shayla Etherodyne
Perkone Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2016.05.06 06:54:02 -
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Tertharan wrote:Maker Atavuli wrote:Folks are lazy and do NOT like change. If 4-4 is not burning people will trade there. I think it's silly to assume it will never happen. The devs have stated that they want the citadels to supplant NPC stations eventually. They've already raised NPC broker's fees once, there's no reason to assume they won't come up with more ways to incentivize people to switch if they're not satisfied. Even as it is now, if someone built and demonstrated the ability to defend a Keepstar in a good convenient high sec location, set the fees low enough, and made refining free, I think people could be convinced to move their stuff. Not all at once, but over time. Not only would trading be cheaper, you'd have the advantage of the tethering system. No more station camping. And with the ability to look outside the station, you'd be able to amuse yourself watching people try to blow the thing up while you station trade.
I would amend that to: "if someone built and demonstrated the ability to defend a Keepstar in a good convenient high sec location for several months".
A war or two would prove very little. |
Tertharan
5
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Posted - 2016.05.06 07:15:15 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:I would amend that to: "if someone built and demonstrated the ability to defend a Keepstar in a good convenient high sec location for several months".
A war or two would prove very little.
Yes, this would be the main reason people would be reluctant. The whole impound thing sounds rather annoying, to say the least, especially if you have a lot of stock. But Keepstars are going to be incredibly annoying to kill in High sec, and the owning alliance would have a huge incentive to fight for it. Even with broker fees as low as 1%, considering the amount of trade any major hub sees on a regular basis I imagine it would make quite a bit of money. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2016.05.06 08:01:49 -
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if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same
also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees |
Lord Ra
Section XII The Southern Querious Drug Cartel
73
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Posted - 2016.05.06 23:50:25 -
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Im staying at the hubs not a single **** given about citadels. |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
99
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Posted - 2016.05.07 00:55:49 -
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Tam Arai wrote:if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same
also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees
Producers wont have a lot of the costs that traders do, so some of them may be able to undercut traders. I doubt that it'll be a large percent of the market, but producers (ratters, miners, etc.) will have a measurable advantage when it comes to pricing. Will give mining corps a nice advantage (assuming they can source enough). |
Tertharan
5
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Posted - 2016.05.07 03:41:07 -
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Tam Arai wrote:if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same
also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees
And this works right up until everything you sell is available right next door for 5% cheaper. At a certain point, if enough things are available in the same place at a cheaper enough price, people will start to migrate. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
886
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Posted - 2016.05.07 13:05:42 -
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Tertharan wrote:Tam Arai wrote:if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same
also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees And this works right up until everything you sell is available right next door for 5% cheaper. At a certain point, if enough things are available in the same place at a cheaper enough price, people will start to migrate.
Is it not more likely that people would pick up the items, and sell next door for higher, pocketing bigger profits?
I had 1.14% broker fee in Jita, 0.37% broker fee in Dixie, I can assure you I was not selling items cheaper in Dodixie just becauseI had lower broker fees.
At the moment, offshoring seems the mostly likely thing to happen, so everyone just sits in the citadel and places 1 jump range orders for 0% fee, then flips to sell in the hub as usual, so not putting any traffic through the hub.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5811
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Posted - 2016.05.08 00:50:33 -
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I will post my regionwide buy orders from Citadels, but that's the limit of the changes. Of course I'll have to suck up the broker fees wherever stock lands.
Also, I will be selling low margin items like PLEX via private contracts wherever possible.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2016.05.08 04:29:10 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Tam Arai wrote:if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same
also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees Producers wont have a lot of the costs that traders do, so some of them may be able to undercut traders. I doubt that it'll be a large percent of the market, but producers (ratters, miners, etc.) will have a measurable advantage when it comes to pricing. Will give mining corps a nice advantage (assuming they can source enough).
that seems fair enough to me. miners/ manufacturers are actually doing and creating something and running a large manufacturing concern is quite difficult and time consuming. a small advantage over those just flipping products feels ok |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1904
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Posted - 2016.05.08 04:34:34 -
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the changes made me want my own fortizar.
that's a pretty damn good thing tbh |
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
100
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Posted - 2016.05.08 05:14:22 -
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Tam Arai wrote:Sheeth Athonille wrote:Tam Arai wrote:if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same
also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees Producers wont have a lot of the costs that traders do, so some of them may be able to undercut traders. I doubt that it'll be a large percent of the market, but producers (ratters, miners, etc.) will have a measurable advantage when it comes to pricing. Will give mining corps a nice advantage (assuming they can source enough). that seems fair enough to me. miners/ manufacturers are actually doing and creating something and running a large manufacturing concern is quite difficult and time consuming. a small advantage over those just flipping products feels ok
Maybe, but without dedicated traders then a ton (if not the majority) of mission runners, ratters, and general PVEers would have to become traders on the side. The benefit of having dedicated traders is that they give you the choice to flip your item now for a slightly smaller amount of isk, as opposed to having to babysit your order to get your isk.
Industrialists also aren't able to fill a remote market nearly as well as a trader can, simply because of constraints on how much you can produce at a time. |
violator2k5
Crescent Nova
18
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Posted - 2016.05.08 06:27:17 -
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Tam Arai wrote:if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same
also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees not everyone gets that as you can see with how slowly the prices are adjusting in jita at the moment. |
Shayla Etherodyne
Perkone Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2016.05.08 08:14:09 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I will post my regionwide buy orders from Citadels, but that's the limit of the changes. Of course I'll have to suck up the broker fees wherever stock lands.
Also, I will be selling low margin items like PLEX via private contracts wherever possible.
Brokers fees are paid when you set up the order, not when you actually buy the item.
If not and area wide orders appear in citadels the owner can suck your wallet dry in no time. Look top buy order, sell 1 item to it, check that he is no friend, set broker fee to 500%, sell to the order. It don't matter if your order is a at low price, if the citadel owner can change the broker fee after you have set it up he can suck money from your wallet with extreme ease.
You pay taxes when you complete the order, but those are the same in all stations and citadels.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5811
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:00:04 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I will post my regionwide buy orders from Citadels, but that's the limit of the changes. Of course I'll have to suck up the broker fees wherever stock lands.
Also, I will be selling low margin items like PLEX via private contracts wherever possible. Brokers fees are paid when you set up the order, not when you actually buy the item. If not and area wide orders appear in citadels the owner can suck your wallet dry in no time. Look top buy order, sell 1 item to it, check that he is no friend, set broker fee to 500%, sell to the order. It don't matter if your order is a at low price, if the citadel owner can change the broker fee after you have set it up he can suck money from your wallet with extreme ease. You pay taxes when you complete the order, but those are the same in all stations and citadels.
You have already paid the broker fee in this situation. It is billed on order creation, not order filling.
Step 1: I check the broker fee at your citadel (assuming it is in Pucherie, in Sinq Laison), find it is 1% and consider this acceptable
Step 2: I set up a regionwide buy order for 8 PLEX in Sinq Laison, and put ~24% into escrow (Margin Trading 5)
Step 3: You jack up the broker fee to 80%
Step 4: Someone in Dodixie sells 4 PLEX to my order. They pay sales tax as normal
Step 5: I resell them in place.
Only real drawback is if you sell 4 PLEX to me in your citadel, then jack up the fee, and I then have to haul the PLEX to a station to profitably sell them.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
887
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:27:58 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I will post my regionwide buy orders from Citadels, but that's the limit of the changes. Of course I'll have to suck up the broker fees wherever stock lands.
Also, I will be selling low margin items like PLEX via private contracts wherever possible. Brokers fees are paid when you set up the order, not when you actually buy the item. If not and area wide orders appear in citadels the owner can suck your wallet dry in no time. Look top buy order, sell 1 item to it, check that he is no friend, set broker fee to 500%, sell to the order. It don't matter if your order is a at low price, if the citadel owner can change the broker fee after you have set it up he can suck money from your wallet with extreme ease. You pay taxes when you complete the order, but those are the same in all stations and citadels. You have already paid the broker fee in this situation. It is billed on order creation, not order filling. Step 1: I check the broker fee at your citadel (assuming it is in Pucherie, in Sinq Laison), find it is 1% and consider this acceptable Step 2: I set up a regionwide buy order for 8 PLEX in Sinq Laison, and put ~24% into escrow (Margin Trading 5) Step 3: You jack up the broker fee to 80% Step 4: Someone in Dodixie sells 4 PLEX to my order. They pay sales tax as normal Step 5: I resell them in place. Only real drawback is if you sell 4 PLEX to me in your citadel, then jack up the fee, and I then have to haul the PLEX to a station to profitably sell them.
The other problem is if the citadel goes into 2nd RF the market goes offline
So, you will either have to cancel your orders, or wait 6d until it goes into hull, and hope it either gets repaired, or explodes. If it explodes, your order is cancelled. (if you cancel manually, or it explodes, you lose the broker fee ofc)
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
100
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Posted - 2016.05.08 18:06:37 -
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You'd also have to worry about getting locked out of the citadel. Though I'd imagine you wouldn't put an order there in the first place if that was a likely scenario.
So do region wide buy orders affect citadels? Like if you set up a buy order in one citadel, will I see it and be able to fill it in the next citadel over? I'm sure this has been answered before, just can't seem to find it right now. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
888
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Posted - 2016.05.08 18:57:24 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:You'd also have to worry about getting locked out of the citadel. Though I'd imagine you wouldn't put an order there in the first place if that was a likely scenario.
So do region wide buy orders affect citadels? Like if you set up a buy order in one citadel, will I see it and be able to fill it in the next citadel over? I'm sure this has been answered before, just can't seem to find it right now.
Yes if it is a ranged buy.
Be aware though, if you are locked out of a citadel, your buy order is still active within the citadel, even though its not visible outside of it.
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Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
55
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Posted - 2016.05.08 18:59:38 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:You'd also have to worry about getting locked out of the citadel. Though I'd imagine you wouldn't put an order there in the first place if that was a likely scenario.
So do region wide buy orders affect citadels? Like if you set up a buy order in one citadel, will I see it and be able to fill it in the next citadel over? I'm sure this has been answered before, just can't seem to find it right now.
I have tried that on SISI in a citadel with a market and only the range of "station" was available.
When using a citadel without a market you can place an order in different location, the same as putting up an order while in space. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
888
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Posted - 2016.05.08 21:13:31 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Sheeth Athonille wrote:You'd also have to worry about getting locked out of the citadel. Though I'd imagine you wouldn't put an order there in the first place if that was a likely scenario.
So do region wide buy orders affect citadels? Like if you set up a buy order in one citadel, will I see it and be able to fill it in the next citadel over? I'm sure this has been answered before, just can't seem to find it right now. I have tried that on SISI in a citadel with a market and only the range of "station" was available. When using a citadel without a market you can place an order in different location, the same as putting up an order while in space.
I set up 1 jump buy orders from a citadel with a market today, I also tried buy orders with 1 jump range from NPC stations to hit citadels, and set up buy orders then revoked access.
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Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
55
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Posted - 2016.05.08 21:33:34 -
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Rhivre wrote:Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Sheeth Athonille wrote:You'd also have to worry about getting locked out of the citadel. Though I'd imagine you wouldn't put an order there in the first place if that was a likely scenario.
So do region wide buy orders affect citadels? Like if you set up a buy order in one citadel, will I see it and be able to fill it in the next citadel over? I'm sure this has been answered before, just can't seem to find it right now. I have tried that on SISI in a citadel with a market and only the range of "station" was available. When using a citadel without a market you can place an order in different location, the same as putting up an order while in space. I set up 1 jump buy orders from a citadel with a market today, I also tried buy orders with 1 jump range from NPC stations to hit citadels, and set up buy orders then revoked access.
So either something has changed in 2 days (improbable) or it is something about citadel settings. Hitting the citadel markets when you set up a x jump wide order can be pretty bad, I suppose it will mean a sharp reductionin orders covering an area.
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