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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.09.07 21:52:14 -
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Rawmeat Mary wrote:Community interaction is also content.
Thus blowing up ships, wherever it is, is.
Exactly, when one player does something with another player that is also content.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.09.07 22:09:44 -
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March rabbit wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:If everyone creates content then no one does. This is logic 101. Do you even Plato? If everyone creates content, then everyone does. This isn't one of those things like say steroids in sports, if everyone does it, then it isn't cheating. If everyone is providing content then we all have more content. It is not a zero sum game. Do you even game theory? Didn't think so. I believe he is talking about 'creating high-sec content' in form of killing unprepared ship. In this case when everybody decides to be 'content creator' there will be no one in unprepared ships for this content to be 'provided'.
It is not killing unprepared ships, it is killing the foolish, the imprudent, the dumb. Culling the weak from the herd. Undocking in a ship that is slow, cumbersome, and has no guns or other offensive capabilities without a scout, and over loaded with cargo worth several billion ISK...you have just painted a target on your back.
There are always people who are foolish, imprudent and dumb. They are born every minute of every day.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Rawmeat Mary
Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
140
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Posted - 2016.09.07 22:30:14 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:March rabbit wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:If everyone creates content then no one does. This is logic 101. Do you even Plato? If everyone creates content, then everyone does. This isn't one of those things like say steroids in sports, if everyone does it, then it isn't cheating. If everyone is providing content then we all have more content. It is not a zero sum game. Do you even game theory? Didn't think so. I believe he is talking about 'creating high-sec content' in form of killing unprepared ship. In this case when everybody decides to be 'content creator' there will be no one in unprepared ships for this content to be 'provided'. It is not killing unprepared ships, it is killing the foolish, the imprudent, the dumb. Culling the weak from the herd. Undocking in a ship that is slow, cumbersome, and has no guns or other offensive capabilities without a scout, and over loaded with cargo worth several billion ISK...you have just painted a target on your back. There are always people who are foolish, imprudent and dumb. They are born every minute of every day. Wolves and sheeps.
BLEEEAAATTT!
'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing.
And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'
Yeah, we're like that.
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Commander Spurty
1638
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Posted - 2016.09.08 00:55:39 -
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High sec could just be for people running NPC missions and not actually wanting much else from the game.
Perhaps take your content to null where it's needed ?
There are good ships,
And wood ships,
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.09.08 01:10:54 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:High sec could just be for people running NPC missions and not actually wanting much else from the game.
Perhaps take your content to null where it's needed ?
What wrong with market trading, manufacture and hauling in highsec?
Why should they be pushed to nullsec because some people want yo run missions alone? There seems to be almost zero justification for that as a concept.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.09.08 01:11:57 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:High sec could just be for people running NPC missions and not actually wanting much else from the game.
Perhaps take your content to null where it's needed ?
Or since it is a sandbox people can do what they like provided they are willing to accept whatever consequences might occur.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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DJ puar
Covert Economics Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2016.10.06 01:16:28 -
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Totally cut |
Sire Sparrow
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.06 06:41:49 -
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I played eve on another account a year after release. It was great, mining and chatting all day. No griefers.
My rl mate tried eve a couple years ago, he just wanted to mine, he got stalked and constantly greifed in HS so he quit EvE. Thanks you greifing shmucky Kids. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2866
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Posted - 2016.10.06 06:45:15 -
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Sire Sparrow wrote:I played eve on another account a year after release. It was great, mining and chatting all day. No griefers.
My rl mate tried eve a couple years ago, he just wanted to mine, he got stalked and constantly greifed in HS so he quit EvE. Thanks you greifing shmucky Kids. I think it says a lot about him as a gamer if even mining in Highsec is too hard for him.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18137
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Posted - 2016.10.06 07:51:07 -
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Sire Sparrow wrote:I played eve on another account a year after release. It was great, mining and chatting all day. No griefers.
My rl mate tried eve a couple years ago, he just wanted to mine, he got stalked and constantly greifed in HS so he quit EvE. Thanks you greifing shmucky Kids.
Since high sec offers zero safety, why not mine in 0.0? Also zero safety, more ore, better ore.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18259
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Posted - 2016.10.06 08:53:07 -
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Sire Sparrow wrote:I played eve on another account a year after release. It was great, mining and chatting all day. No griefers.
My rl mate tried eve a couple years ago, he just wanted to mine, he got stalked and constantly greifed in HS so he quit EvE. Thanks you greifing shmucky Kids.
Please don't lie.
Back when you claimed to play we had the likes of M0o, a pirate organisation that makes todays look as deadly as cotton wool wrapped in air and mechanics that made EVE a hell of a lot more dangerous. |
Sire Sparrow
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.10.06 11:08:05 -
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Well, no I'm not lying. It was a new player to eve. Obviously someone was using locator agents and finding him whenever he moved systems and was trying to extort ISK, of which he had none. After a week on greifing by the same guy he gave up on EvE; if he couldn't even mine in HS with a two week old toon (which is how he was learning the game) then he never saw the point in continuing. New bros whould be protected against multiple grefiing attacks in HS at least for the 1st month while they get to grips. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18259
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Posted - 2016.10.06 11:19:12 -
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Sire Sparrow wrote:Well, no I'm not lying. It was a new player to eve. Obviously someone was using locator agents and finding him whenever he moved systems and was trying to extort ISK, of which he had none. After a week on greifing by the same guy he gave up on EvE; if he couldn't even mine in HS with a two week old toon (which is how he was learning the game) then he never saw the point in continuing. New bros whould be protected against multiple grefiing attacks in HS at least for the 1st month while they get to grips.
They are, doing what you just described is in fact a bannable offence. It is also extremely rare. |
Mark Marconi
Expandentes Rudentis Online
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Posted - 2016.10.06 11:30:44 -
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It is funny to read these forums.
The wolves killed most of the sheep.
Now new sheep do not want to come in to the pasture. So the farmer is trying to protect the sheep that are left and to entice new ones in.
And now the wolves complain even more.
Why would anyone feel sorry for the wolves? |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
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Posted - 2016.10.06 12:56:42 -
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If only I hadn't 'sploded all those retrievers! |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18259
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Posted - 2016.10.06 15:04:27 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:It is funny to read these forums.
The wolves killed most of the sheep.
Now new sheep do not want to come in to the pasture. So the farmer is trying to protect the sheep that are left and to entice new ones in.
And now the wolves complain even more.
Why would anyone feel sorry for the wolves?
Because that's not what happened.
The wolfs got heavily culled over the years and now the sheep are leaving because they are bored. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1922
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Posted - 2016.10.06 15:11:48 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:It is funny to read these forums.
The wolves killed most of the sheep.
Now new sheep do not want to come in to the pasture. So the farmer is trying to protect the sheep that are left and to entice new ones in.
And now the wolves complain even more.
Why would anyone feel sorry for the wolves? Because that's not what happened. The wolfs got heavily culled over the years and now the sheep are leaving because they are bored. ... still waiting for proofs
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
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Posted - 2016.10.06 16:53:17 -
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high sec ganking seems active as ever to me
heck systems like Uedama are still so lethal that they are black holes....
castrating high sec content creators? Uedama says otherwise. as its literally a high sec SIEGE system that "content creates" anyone dumb enough to go in.
and systems like Osmon are still very active.
gotta remember high sec is not low sec. but despite that, high sec is still pretty dangerous. which is fine as it is now.
but if more "Uedama murder pits" start popping up....that would be concerning. the occasional one is fine. but alot of them...would be problematic.
plus, high sec "content creators" don't seem to have problems war deccing everyone who comes through the jita stargate. they do it like its free candy.
high sec is fine right now. don't try to make high sec low sec. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3346
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Posted - 2016.10.06 17:14:19 -
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Bexol Regyri wrote:I have only been playing eve for about 5 months and started out a high sec miner. One of the things that attracted me to eve was that it was pretty much what I expected of space from all the scifi books I read full of good guys and bad guys and that space is not a safe place... *snip* Judging by your posting history and it's content, yours is an alt of a ganker account that's been playing for much more than 5 months. I'm not judging... just calling you out.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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Astenion
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
410
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Posted - 2016.10.06 17:15:03 -
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I'm just coming back after a two-year hiatus; glad to be back, btw.
What are you guys talking about with "bumping mechanics" and ganking? Did CCP outlaw bumping or something? |
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
692
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Posted - 2016.10.06 17:50:34 -
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Looks like I picked the perfect time to return from my sabbatical and resume duties.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
332
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Posted - 2016.10.06 18:01:18 -
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Astenion wrote:I'm just coming back after a two-year hiatus; glad to be back, btw.
What are you guys talking about with "bumping mechanics" and ganking? Did CCP outlaw bumping or something?
A change is coming sometime where a ship automatically enters warp after three minutes of hitting the 'warp' button even if they are being bumped.
So no more bumping someone for an hour while trying to get a gank fleet together. |
Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
693
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Posted - 2016.10.06 18:04:49 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Astenion wrote:I'm just coming back after a two-year hiatus; glad to be back, btw.
What are you guys talking about with "bumping mechanics" and ganking? Did CCP outlaw bumping or something? A change is coming sometime where a ship automatically enters warp after three minutes of hitting the 'warp' button even if they are being bumped. So no more bumping someone for an hour while trying to get a gank fleet together.
Then they die in 2.5 minutes.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1209
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Posted - 2016.10.06 18:05:12 -
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Maybe someone told CCP the6 nned more Unix players, CCP was confused and castratiobs abound?
http://dilbert.com/strip/1993-11-09 |
Railyn Quisqueya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.06 18:17:29 -
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baltec1 wrote: The wolfs got heavily culled over the years and now the sheep are leaving because they are bored.
I think it's amazing how you can take anything, flip it, twist it, and serve it to your purpose. I wonder if you really believe this delusion, or you're just trying to sell it for your cause. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18260
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Posted - 2016.10.06 18:37:41 -
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March rabbit wrote:
Because that's not what happened.
The wolfs got heavily culled over the years and now the sheep are leaving because they are bored.
... still waiting for proofs[/quote]
More danger/content subs grow, the more nerfs that happened to danger/content the worse the subs got.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
332
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Posted - 2016.10.06 18:40:05 -
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Bellatrix Invicta wrote:Then they die in 2.5 minutes.
Obviously, it just means we can't have lazy ganker any more. They have to be organized enough to be on grid within 3 minutes of the bump. Lazy haulers/miners should get ganked every time, and lazy gankers who aren't organized for the gank should have a harder time catching people. That seems reasonable to me. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18260
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Posted - 2016.10.06 18:41:44 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:high sec ganking seems active as ever to me
At a record low.
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
heck systems like Uedama are still so lethal that they are black holes....
Thousands pass through for every ship killed, including the gankers to concord.
Lasisha Mishi wrote: castrating high sec content creators? Uedama says otherwise. as its literally a high sec SIEGE system that "content creates" anyone dumb enough to go in.
and systems like Osmon are still very active.
Mining barge profitable ganking, jetcan piracy, targeted wardecs, ninja salvaging, jetcan baiting of pirates are just a few things removed from the game.
Lasisha Mishi wrote: gotta remember high sec is not low sec. but despite that, high sec is still pretty dangerous. which is fine as it is now.
It has a fraction of the content it used to have.
Lasisha Mishi wrote: plus, high sec "content creators" don't seem to have problems war deccing everyone who comes through the jita stargate. they do it like its free candy.
They are now forced to do that due to recent nerfs. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18260
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Posted - 2016.10.06 18:47:39 -
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Railyn Quisqueya wrote:baltec1 wrote: The wolfs got heavily culled over the years and now the sheep are leaving because they are bored.
I think it's amazing how you can take anything, flip it, twist it, and serve it to your purpose. I wonder if you really believe this delusion, or you're just trying to sell it for your cause.
My cause being the return of a ton of content that has been removed to keep idiots happy who then subsequently quit because they made their own game boring. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2804
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Posted - 2016.10.06 19:00:57 -
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Bellatrix Invicta wrote:Isaac Armer wrote:Astenion wrote:I'm just coming back after a two-year hiatus; glad to be back, btw.
What are you guys talking about with "bumping mechanics" and ganking? Did CCP outlaw bumping or something? A change is coming sometime where a ship automatically enters warp after three minutes of hitting the 'warp' button even if they are being bumped. So no more bumping someone for an hour while trying to get a gank fleet together. Then they die in 2.5 minutes. More likely they'll just be suicide pointed in 2.5 minutes. Then probably suicide pointed again 2, 3 or 5 more times before then finally being ganked. The only thing (probably) going away is no-cost, hours long bumping for ransom although it's true we haven't heard any details.
In fact, it has been almost 6 months though without another word from CCP. One has to wonder at this point if they ran across an intractable problem deep in the physics code and have dropped the whole idea?
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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