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Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.04.30 09:44:05 -
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As the owner of a Halaima Minerbumping Ipo share(I didn't receive my share yet James ) I have decided to try to monetise the value of my share by attempting to create a secondary market in the shares. With a trillion+ shares in existence I see a huge unexploited opportunity here.
The offer :-
Buy :- I guarantee to buy the 1st 8 billion shares offered to me at a price of 250,000 isk per share. Sell :- I guarantee to offer any shares I acquire at a price of 350,000 isk per share.
I guarantee to make this offer 5 times the terms of which might vary depending on the results of the prior offer. My minimum offer price will be 100,000 isk per share. My maximum offer price will depend on demand.
Obviously if I am inundated with shares for which i get no offers the buy price of the second tranche will be lower and the sell price will be lower. I will vary the terms of the 5 tranches depending on what happens.
Thus I am committing myself to offering to buy 40 billion shares. Obviously my long term aim would be to offer to buy ALL of the shares.
If I am successful in creating a market I will continue to offer to buy shares on an ongoing basis. I'm willing to throw 10-15b at this for starters.
If you think this is a scam or you doubt my honesty just move along
If you wish to sell shares you can do so publically or privately. To publically sell shares post your offer in this thread. When I post confirmation send me the shares and I will pay by return To privately sell me shares Evemail me and we can go from there.
If anybody feels the need for a third party then Chribba, Grendell or Darkness would be acceptable and you pay the fees.
If you wish to offer to buy shares the offer must be in multiples of 1,000 shares. This is primarily to make the task of maintaining the share register easier.
Apart from notifying James of the change of ownership, probably on a weekly basis, I guarantee complete anonymity for sellers.
Buyers must post their offers in this thread.
Thank you for reading this
I trade Eve Mogul
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
852
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Posted - 2016.04.30 10:38:09 -
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You know when people sell bonds here, they don't hand those out either? |
virm pasuul
The Congregation No Handlebars.
379
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Posted - 2016.04.30 10:40:13 -
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Each share in the New Order costs 1,000,000. Let's say just for the sake of easy maths they've taken 1.5 trillion ISK for shares. That equates to 1.5 million shares.
Where you think 8 billion shares are going to come from is a work of fantasy.
Also 8 billion shares, even if they existed, at a price of 250,000 each would cost you 2 thousand trillion ISK = 2 quadrillion ? I get confused when that many zeros are involved. It's 2 followed by 15 zeros.
All shares certificates in the New Order are held in perpetuity by James 315 for the good of us all. This is right and proper. I cannot think of a safer pair of hands.
I hope for the sake of your investors that your grasp of maths is not always this poor. You are good for gargantuan quantities of salt though.
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Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.04.30 10:57:53 -
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My apologies for the mathematical errors which have now been corrected.
Here is a quote from the Ipo thread :-
"Prior to this IPO round I received an advance payment for an additional 1,011 shares from Shiule Hanaya, who's been waiting patiently for the offering. As promised, I'm transferring those shares effective immediately--congrats to our new biggest shareholder! For those who don't have access to their isk but can access the forums at the moment (hard at work, eh?), I'll take down reserve orders and hold them open for at least a few days while you get it together and send the isk."
This makes it quite clear that shares are transferred to the purchaser. I would very much like my share transferred to me.
I trade Eve Mogul
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
852
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Posted - 2016.04.30 12:39:49 -
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Fin Udan wrote:This makes it quite clear that shares are transferred to the purchaser. I would very much like my share transferred to me.
I'm sorry, but you were probably scammed then. |
Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.04.30 12:51:47 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Fin Udan wrote:This makes it quite clear that shares are transferred to the purchaser. I would very much like my share transferred to me. I'm sorry, but you were probably scammed then.
To be honest my share is an irrelevant side issue. The ownership of corporation shares in Eve Online is vested in the person who possesses them.
This thread is about me offering to buy and sell shares from whosoever possesses them.
If James 315 posts in this thread that he possesses all the shares and declines to sell any of them then I will ask for this thread to be locked.
If shares HAVE been transferred to people who have paid huge sums for them then I am offering to buy them as per my original post.
I am a trader. I buy and sell stuff. I would like to buy and sell shares in the New Order Corporation. This forum has a long tradition of share dealing. This forum used to have a stock exchange.
I'm offering to buy shares. Please keep posts on topic.
I trade Eve Mogul
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2444
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Posted - 2016.04.30 13:13:14 -
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Fin Udan wrote:Buy :- I guarantee to buy the 1st 8,000 shares offered to me at a price of 250,000 isk per share. Sell :- I guarantee to offer any shares I acquire at a price of 350,000 isk per share.
I don't think you are going to have many takers. Offering fire sale prices for one of the best investment vehicles in all of New Eden is a doomed endeavour. Not only is having a say in the future of highsec when a vote is called by the Saviour of incalculable value, only a Goofus would willingly part with their shares when there is still so much left to do to improve highsec.
I know you want to own more shares in the New Order, but there are more legit ways to go about that than trying to scam unwary players out of their shares. Just send your ISK directly to James 315 and he will got you some clean and legal shares. Trust me, you'll sleep better at night knowing you earned those shares fair and square, not like a dirty RMTer on some grey-market of your own creation.
Why Do They Gank?
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Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.04.30 13:28:00 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Fin Udan wrote:Buy :- I guarantee to buy the 1st 8,000 shares offered to me at a price of 250,000 isk per share. Sell :- I guarantee to offer any shares I acquire at a price of 350,000 isk per share.
I don't think you are going to have many takers. Offering fire sale prices for one of the best investment vehicles in all of New Eden is a doomed endeavour. Not only is having a say in the future of highsec when a vote is called by the Saviour of incalculable value, only a Goofus would willingly part with their shares when there is still so much left to do to improve highsec. I know you want to own more shares in the New Order, but there are more legit ways to go about that than trying to scam unwary players out of their shares. Just send your ISK directly to James 315 and he will got you some clean and legal shares. Trust me, you'll sleep better at night knowing you earned those shares fair and square, not like a dirty RMTer on some grey-market of your own creation.
I note that you have invested 5.63billion in shares that currently have no monetary value.
I'm actually trying to help you here I'm trying to create value for your shares. Whether I can or not and what that value might be remains to be seen.
I trade Eve Mogul
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
852
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Posted - 2016.04.30 13:35:10 -
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You can't make up your own rules then lawyer them, especially when you had no regard for the rules the other week.
Very few people use the in-game shares feature due to its inherent insecurities and the fact that it's been ignored since implementation.
You're still going about this the wrong way. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2447
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Posted - 2016.04.30 13:37:17 -
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Fin Udan wrote:I note that you have invested 5.63billion in shares that currently have no monetary value. I'm actually trying to help you here I'm trying to create value for your shares. Whether I can or not and what that value might be remains to be seen.
I appreciate the proposal. But 1.4B for my shares is an insultingly lowball offer.
Some circus guy once said that "a sucker is born every minute" though so perhaps you'll find some takers. Good luck on your shady business plan, even if it is of dubious ethical nature.
Why Do They Gank?
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Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.04.30 13:46:07 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Fin Udan wrote:I note that you have invested 5.63billion in shares that currently have no monetary value. I'm actually trying to help you here I'm trying to create value for your shares. Whether I can or not and what that value might be remains to be seen. I appreciate the proposal. But 1.4B for my shares is an insultingly lowball offer. Some circus guy once said that "a sucker is born every minute" though so perhaps you'll find some takers. Good luck on your shady business plan, even if it is of dubious ethical nature.
Well you don't have to sell all of them
I genuinely don't know whether there can be a secondary market or at what level it might settle. Obviously since there is apparently an inexhaustible supply of shares they will always trade below par. But how far below par? I've no idea. I thought long and hard about what level to make the 1st offer. I think that 250000 isk per share is a pretty fair offer for shares that currently have no monetary value
I'm still looking to buy shares. Just sell a part of your holding. Let me create value for you
I trade Eve Mogul
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virm pasuul
The Congregation No Handlebars.
379
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Posted - 2016.04.30 14:26:18 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Fin Udan wrote:Buy :- I guarantee to buy the 1st 8,000 shares offered to me at a price of 250,000 isk per share. Sell :- I guarantee to offer any shares I acquire at a price of 350,000 isk per share.
I don't think you are going to have many takers. Offering fire sale prices for one of the best investment vehicles in all of New Eden is a doomed endeavour. Not only is having a say in the future of highsec when a vote is called by the Saviour of incalculable value, only a Goofus would willingly part with their shares when there is still so much left to do to improve highsec. I know you want to own more shares in the New Order, but there are more legit ways to go about that than trying to scam unwary players out of their shares. Just send your ISK directly to James 315 and he will got you some clean and legal shares. Trust me, you'll sleep better at night knowing you earned those shares fair and square, not like a dirty RMTer on some grey-market of your own creation.
Black Pedro speaks very wise words. You should read them, a few times, some of it might rub off on you. |
virm pasuul
The Congregation No Handlebars.
379
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Posted - 2016.04.30 14:37:46 -
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Fin Udan wrote:I genuinely don't know whether there can be a secondary market or at what level it might settle. Obviously since there is apparently an inexhaustible supply of shares they will always trade below par. But how far below par? I've no idea. I thought long and hard about what level to make the 1st offer. I think that 250000 isk per share is a pretty fair offer for shares that currently have no monetary value I'm still looking to buy shares. Just sell a part of your holding. Let me create value for you
New Order shares are worth their full face value of 1 million ISK. The market says so otherwise why would people keep buying new ones at face value? If it were not for the infinite supply, they would surely be worth many times their face value.
Not everything should be judged solely in terms of base ISK values. This is probably the core tenet of the New Order - there are bigger more important things than ISK in Eve. To judge New Order shares purely in ISK value is to be ignorant that the ISK value of New Order shares is the very smallest measure of their worth. They stand for so much more than base ISK. Each share purchase is not an investment in greed, it is an investment in the future of Eve. They are priceless. |
Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.04.30 16:08:59 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Fin Udan wrote:I genuinely don't know whether there can be a secondary market or at what level it might settle. Obviously since there is apparently an inexhaustible supply of shares they will always trade below par. But how far below par? I've no idea. I thought long and hard about what level to make the 1st offer. I think that 250000 isk per share is a pretty fair offer for shares that currently have no monetary value I'm still looking to buy shares. Just sell a part of your holding. Let me create value for you New Order shares are worth their full face value of 1 million ISK. The market says so otherwise why would people keep buying new ones at face value? If it were not for the infinite supply, they would surely be worth many times their face value. Not everything should be judged solely in terms of base ISK values. This is probably the core tenet of the New Order - there are bigger more important things than ISK in Eve. To judge New Order shares purely in ISK value is to be ignorant that the ISK value of New Order shares is the very smallest measure of their worth. They stand for so much more than base ISK. Each share purchase is not an investment in greed, it is an investment in the future of Eve. They are priceless.
I'm not a philosopher m8 I'm a trader
You do the philosophising and I'll do the trading
I'm still offering to buy shares as per the original post. Please keep posts on topic
I trade Eve Mogul
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virm pasuul
The Congregation No Handlebars.
380
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Posted - 2016.04.30 16:23:35 -
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If you are so orientated in greed and profit before the philosophy of altruism and higher goals, why do you choose New Order shares to invest in?
There must be many commercial outfits in Eve whose shares would meet your rather blinkered ISK first mentality much better. And yet you choose to try and make profit from the most altruistic organisation in all of New Eden. Perhaps your subconscious can see the light of higher purpose and it is trying to send you a message? Open your mind to the love of the New Order, and begin your journey to enlightenment. I wish you well on your journey, and I feel very excited for your leap of faith off the abyss of greed. May James 315 guide your footsteps and watch over you. |
Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.04.30 16:28:52 -
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virm pasuul wrote:If you are so orientated in greed and profit before the philosophy of altruism and higher goals, why do you choose New Order shares to invest in?
There must be many commercial outfits in Eve whose shares would meet your rather blinkered ISK first mentality much better. And yet you choose to try and make profit from the most altruistic organisation in all of New Eden. Perhaps your subconscious can see the light of higher purpose and it is trying to send you a message? Open your mind to the love of the New Order, and begin your journey to enlightenment. I wish you well on your journey, and I feel very excited for your leap of faith off the abyss of greed. May James 315 guide your footsteps and watch over you.
Scroll up m8
Still offering to buy shares. Please keep posts on topic
I trade Eve Mogul
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11853
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Posted - 2016.04.30 22:38:20 -
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This is ridiculous. As others have said, this is about much more than just mere ISK, and if you can't grasp that then your venture is a waste of electrons as you have failed to comprehend and take into account why these shares are valuable in the first place.
By the way, don't you think that it's in extremely bad taste for you to constantly parrot 'On topic posts only' in every post you make, considering that you blundered into the Minerbumping thread last week and proceeded to basically **** everywhere, including making personal attacks against other players and against CCP staff/volunteers?
You don't have a leg to stand on, Fun Fin Fon, and you are clearly trolling again. Better you stick to your rep-scam effort than continue to pollute the forums.
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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0000000000ZERO0000000000
Zero Zentharis
20
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Posted - 2016.05.01 00:29:59 -
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As much as I find your personal vendetta against James adorable, there are key things that you don't understand about that IPO.
You know when you are donating blood, you get a free pin or a tshirt that says 'I donated blood'? That's the same concept here, except you get a useless share and a spot on a 'Top Supporters' field. Neither of those things hold any value.
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pushdogg
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
250
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Posted - 2016.05.01 02:25:05 -
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Holding shares in CODE. means something more than just monetary value. Those shares make you part of something larger than yourself.
I don't see you getting any takers, shareholders are very proud of what they have, and what they've contributed to. |
Makeleth Riatu Solette
I Want ISK Corp
43
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Posted - 2016.05.01 02:28:57 -
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Can someone please tell me why we are continuing to bump this thread? Even I myself do not like bumping this, but I thought I should ask the rhetorical question. Don't feed the troll guys. Nothing to see here, move along.
Need a loan? Look at my thread!
Mail me if you'd like some marketing advice or advice in general
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Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.05.01 06:26:02 -
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I think at this point we all need a reality check.
This is the "Market Discussions" forum. This is NOT the crime and punishment forum.
I am proposing to create a market in the shares of a large corporation in order to establish a monetary value of those shares.
I am still offering to buy shares. Please keep posts on topic
I trade Eve Mogul
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Amy Inhibenson
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2016.05.01 09:30:20 -
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I despise CODE as much as you do but this thread is just stupid.
I elect not to take you up on your trading offer and suggest that you stop playing into their game. |
Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.05.02 10:17:49 -
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Since I have received no offers I have decided to increase the offer price.
I will now guarantee to buy 2,000 shares at 750,000 isk per share I guarantee to offer for sale any shares I buy at 850,000 i have updated the original post to reflect the new offer prices.
I trade Eve Mogul
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
273
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Posted - 2016.05.02 18:59:47 -
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AFAIK James 315 (praise be unto him) is the only authorized seller of New Order shares. |
Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.05.02 20:39:01 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:AFAIK James 315 (praise be unto him) is the only authorized seller of New Order shares.
Unfortunately it's beginning to look like there might not be many New Order shares in existance.
But by all means prove me wrong.....offer to sell me some of your shares
You do have some shares?
I trade Eve Mogul
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Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.05.03 05:42:07 -
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Please lock this thread.
Halaima Minerbumping.com Ipo is just a huge scam.
It's not worth me wasting any more time trying to create value for what doesn't exist.
I trade Eve Mogul
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NotTheSmartestCookie
New Order Logistics CODE.
110
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Posted - 2016.05.03 10:10:46 -
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The road to recovery can seem long if you are determined to take baby steps.
In lieu of a minerbumping share, can I offer you a mining permit for the low sum of 10m ISK? Each mining permit is personalized and you can proudly display it in your bio.
Making New Eden a better place 8 rounds of Void at a time.
Funny, smartest, pretty and relevant. Pick 3.
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
274
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Posted - 2016.05.03 13:20:28 -
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Fin Udan wrote:Please lock this thread.
Halaima Minerbumping.com Ipo is just a huge scam.
It's not worth me wasting any more time trying to create value for what doesn't exist.
It hasn't been an "IPO" in almost 4 years. You do know what the "I" stands for, right? |
Fin Udan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2016.05.03 18:57:07 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Fin Udan wrote:Please lock this thread.
Halaima Minerbumping.com Ipo is just a huge scam.
It's not worth me wasting any more time trying to create value for what doesn't exist. It hasn't been an "IPO" in almost 4 years. You do know what the "I" stands for, right?
It's been a fraudulant scam for the last 4 years
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2475
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Posted - 2016.05.03 19:28:06 -
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Fin Udan wrote:Please lock this thread.
Halaima Minerbumping.com Ipo is just a huge scam.
It's not worth me wasting any more time trying to create value for what doesn't exist. How can you even expect to receive shares, you have no faith in the Code at all. Only greed speaks out of you, no one will send New Order shares to a person like that.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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