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Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:03:13 -
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Hello there!
So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play.
Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly. Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too. 10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security.
What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying.
So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point! I am loving this game so freaking much!
Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting! |
PAPULA
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:07:08 -
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I suggest you go do some level 1 - 4 missions, it's way more profitable and you will have battleship at the end for level 4 missions which can't be killed with 2 destroyers.
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Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:11:48 -
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Yeah I think I will be doing other things. Earning like 11-14m per hour doesn't really help with this mess. So discouraging and annoying. |
PAPULA
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:13:42 -
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Good level 4 mission will get you 30 million in 15min |
Aluanna
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:13:55 -
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Mikael Owen wrote:Yeah I think I will be doing other things. Earning like 11-14m per hour doesn't really help with this mess. So discouraging and annoying.
You could also you know, fit any sort of tank on a mining barge.. like at all?
Ideas for missile launchers to make firing missiles more interesting/rewarding
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Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:18:32 -
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Well I activated my three shield mods (Adaptive Invul was on all the time). I guess I should just make a tank out of my Hulk than a miner. Like use both armor and shield tank and tanking rigs and even electronic warfare mods and also logistics drones.
Yeah! Great idea! I will just do that!
Thank you Aluana you really opened my eyes! Thanks a lot! |
DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:22:59 -
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as a miner for 12 years... dude...
1) fit a better tank or use a mack, it has a better tank.
2) mine with your friends
3) join another corp
4) stop whining and don't afk mine, seriously you should of been able to tank them both or bail when you saw them.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Tomika
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:23:32 -
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I feel like this kill mail was generated purely for trolling purposes.
If it wasn't, consider this a learning experience and in future don't go solo mining in an expensive ship with weak defences, T1 mids and no tanking rigs. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:27:23 -
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1. Don't mine in a Hulk unless you're in a fleet. Use a Mack or a Skiff, Hulks are made of paper and the small mining yield bonus doesn't make up for losing them to gankers.
2. Keep an eye on local, set your overview correctly and set any known ganking groups to -10. If anything in local goes flashy or is red, dock up.
3. Most importantly, realize that high sec is not meant to be a safe haven. There is no absolute safety in EVE and high sec isn't the safest place to mine in by far. I'd tell you to join a null-sec alliance and mine in null-sec, but I think most of null is currently on fire so that's not helpful at this point in time.
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Jax Kazen
Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:28:28 -
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Skiff - pure and simple
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:31:58 -
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... and nobody mentioned WoW?
Eve is dieing for sure....
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:39:46 -
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Mikael Owen wrote:Hello there!
So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play.
Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly. Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too. 10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security.
What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying.
So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point! I am loving this game so freaking much!
Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting!
Why should we care about someone who clearly never put in any active effort to read forums, local or anything where it states "if you use a Hulk in high sec and play afk expect to explode". Or more directly, why should we care about someone who plays the game in afk mode, you don't add anything to the sandbox (other than being a target).
The recurring theme here is "you don't put in any effort". The game then rewards you with ****** boring game play, low income and involuntary explosions. Don't like the consequences of you choices, choose differently. |
Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:41:48 -
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DaReaper wrote:as a miner for 12 years... dude...
1) fit a better tank or use a mack, it has a better tank.
2) mine with your friends
3) join another corp
4) stop whining and don't afk mine, seriously you should of been able to tank them both or bail when you saw them.
Do I look like I am whining? And how did you get the feeling that I was AFK? Lessons learned man, don't worry! |
Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:43:49 -
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Hawke Frost wrote: Why should we care about someone who clearly never put in any active effort to read forums, local or anything where it states "if you use a Hulk in high sec and play afk expect to explode". Or more directly, why should we care about someone who plays the game in afk mode, you don't add anything to the sandbox (other than being a target).
The recurring theme here is "you don't put in any effort". The game then rewards you with ****** boring game play, low income and involuntary explosions. Don't like the consequences of you choices, choose differently.
WoW! You didn't even read this thread did you? And you complaing about me not reading the forums. I wasn't AFK or anything dude. Chiiiiillll. |
Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:49:40 -
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Mikael Owen wrote:Hawke Frost wrote: Why should we care about someone who clearly never put in any active effort to read forums, local or anything where it states "if you use a Hulk in high sec and play afk expect to explode". Or more directly, why should we care about someone who plays the game in afk mode, you don't add anything to the sandbox (other than being a target).
The recurring theme here is "you don't put in any effort". The game then rewards you with ****** boring game play, low income and involuntary explosions. Don't like the consequences of you choices, choose differently.
WoW! You didn't even read this thread did you? And you complaing about me not reading the forums. I wasn't AFK or anything dude. Chiiiiillll.
If you see them warping in, why weren't you warping out. Why weren't you running Dscan to check for ships like that. why the FCK are you even in a Hulk, why doesn't it have a dececnt tank, why did you lose your pod? Those questions are all answered by "effort, yo". |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:52:13 -
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Mikael Owen wrote:Do I look like I am whining? noooo not at all , definitely none of that going on in here, not one bit. also, if you saw them on dscan , why the **** didnt you warp off!?
on a serious note, add code. ,goons and the lads that slapped you to your contacts as -5 or 10 and always have local open
Better the Devil you know.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:52:56 -
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Mikael Owen wrote:Hello there!
So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play. If you see destroyers anywhere near a mining belt, especially Catalysts... GTFO
Quote:Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly. Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too. 10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security.
What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying. Isk tanking is not a thing, the cost of your ship has absolutley no bearing on the cost of the ships required to kill it; it doesn't exist in the real world either.
Quote:So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point! I am loving this game so freaking much! Such is the nature of the game, the tagline for the Citadel expansion was "Wreck Their Dreams"; CCP have delivered by letting someone wreck yours.
Quote:Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting! Why are you solo mining in a Hulk? The cargo is pants, the tank crap and the cost too much; it's meant to be used in a fleet with other Hulks and an Orca or Rorqual to take care of the cargo and tank issues.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:54:58 -
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Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D
Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it?
And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring **** you talk about? So it's boring as ****, not risky and the game is punishing me with ****** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro. |
Beta Maoye
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:57:39 -
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Welcome to EVE.
P.S. Check the killboard of Uedama before you fly your first freighter. |
Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 17:59:42 -
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@Jonah Gravenstein : You are right. I will consider your input. Thank you! |
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.04.30 18:02:42 -
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Mikael Owen wrote:Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D
Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it?
And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring **** you talk about? So it's boring as ****, not risky and the game is punishing me with ****** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro.
Intelligent miners who put in brain effort will choose to do stuff that doesn't end up in them exploding. They do so by reading the forum, checking guides and whatnot. They quickly learn to not use a hulk, to fit shield extenders, to always orbit or be aligned, to Dscan and to fit their 700 mil hauling itty 5 with MWD and a cloak.
Mining works fine for ppl with a working brain who aren't lazy, just like other parts of the game. Mining isn't the problem, gankers aren't the problem. YOU are the problem. |
Jovian Angel
Jovian Vengeance
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Posted - 2016.04.30 18:07:28 -
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As soon as you said
"Im a miner" I lol'd
However mining in a hulk in high sec is suicidal.
Use a mack and be happy (with tank)
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Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 18:07:32 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Mikael Owen wrote:Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D
Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it?
And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring **** you talk about? So it's boring as ****, not risky and the game is punishing me with ****** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro. Intelligent miners who put in brain effort will choose to do stuff that doesn't end up in them exploding. They do so by reading the forum, checking guides and whatnot. They quickly learn to not use a hulk, to fit shield extenders, to always orbit or be aligned, to Dscan and to fit their 700 mil hauling itty 5 with MWD and a cloak. Mining works fine for ppl with a working brain who aren't lazy, just like other parts of the game. Mining isn't the problem, gankers aren't the problem. YOU are the problem.
I think you are the problem here Hawke.
I am all ears and some people pointed out some facts. I wasn't playing the game for a couple of years so I am making some mistakes. With a better mouth you could a lot more good bro. |
Starrakatt
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID
493
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Posted - 2016.04.30 18:10:25 -
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Buy and use a Skiff.
Yeild is lesser, true, but it got a great tank and in the long run you will come up ahead ISK wise.
Or run missions or do exploration for better income.
Mining in 0.0 is way more profitable, and usually safer. Mail me in game if you want, I could refer you to someone who joined a Nulsec alliance and did just that with success.
Sneaky bastard.
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.04.30 18:15:57 -
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Mikael Owen wrote:I am all ears and some people pointed out some facts. I wasn't playing the game for a couple of years so I am making some mistakes. With a better mouth you could a lot more good bro.
You're not "all ears", you made a whiny statement about how the design sucks, pointing fingers left and right. If you think that wasn't a whine post them uhm, yeah. Why should any one of us put in active into helping someone who hasn't put in the effort himself while sperging about the obvious outcome of that lack of effort.
If you want help ask questions in a reasonable manner, if you sperg expect to get called on that.
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Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 18:18:50 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Mikael Owen wrote:I am all ears and some people pointed out some facts. I wasn't playing the game for a couple of years so I am making some mistakes. With a better mouth you could a lot more good bro. You're not "all ears", you made a whiny statement about how the design sucks, pointing fingers left and right. If you think that wasn't a whine post them uhm, yeah. Why should any one of us put in active into helping someone who hasn't put in the effort himself while sperging about the obvious outcome of that lack of effort. If you want help ask questions in a reasonable manner, if you sperg expect to get called on that.
"I am all ears" and I accept, the mistake was on my part. Got it?
Thanks for your input bro, non the less. |
Mikael Owen
Manticore Security Solutions
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Posted - 2016.04.30 18:20:27 -
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Starrakatt wrote:Buy and use a Skiff.
Yeild is lesser, true, but it got a great tank and in the long run you will come up ahead ISK wise.
Or run missions or do exploration for better income.
Mining in 0.0 is way more profitable, and usually safer. Mail me in game if you want, I could refer you to someone who joined a Nulsec alliance and did just that with success.
Thank you for the offer! |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.04.30 19:13:11 -
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Mikael Owen wrote:And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring **** you talk about? So it's boring as ****, not risky and the game is punishing me with ****** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro. The issue isn't so much that Eve doesn't need mining, it does. The issue is more that the way you were doing it isn't really putting any sort of dent in that need and there are people/fleets out there doing it right.
One lone Hulk in highsec is just asking for trouble. They don't have the tank to survive a gank and they are an attractive target because if the value of the kill mail.
If you are solo, then give up the slightly higher yield and take an exhumer that is tanky. So go compare the ganks on Skiffs vs Hulks and you'll see that Skiffs are rarely ganked even though they are worth just as much.
However, for your one player operation, if you want to increase income, then you would be better off putting that hauling character into a second mining ship, just going with T1 (procurers) and gaining efficiency in volume mined that way. Even accounting for warping to station to drop ore, you'll still make more ISK using 2 X T1 barges than you will off 1 X T2 exhumer and industrial.
Not only more volume, but less of a gank target too. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.04.30 19:38:00 -
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Use this and you are golden:
[Skiff, HMS UPYOURS 1] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II
Medium Shield Extender II Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II
Strip Miner I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5
A Hulk has the tank of a wet paper bag, this little lovely skiff does not, it gets to about 110k EHP and the gankers just go and mess with other people unless they really really want you, but you will be happy knowing that in killing you it cost them. Have fun...
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.04.30 19:48:47 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Use this and you are golden:
[Skiff, HMS UPYOURS 1] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II
Medium Shield Extender II Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II
Strip Miner I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5
A Hulk has the tank of a wet paper bag, this little lovely skiff does not, it gets to about 110k EHP and the gankers just go and mess with other people unless they really really want you, but you will be happy knowing that in killing you it cost them. Have fun...
You don't need all that. You can replace the low slots with all MLU. Flying a skiff with any sort of logical shield tank is already enough to never become a target (unless you made it personal).
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