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Isaac Armer
Tactical Stability Union Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2016.05.04 17:58:12 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:If you like to shoot dumb victims in order to pad your killboard, that's your choice. I rather have opponents that challenge me and that make a loss to or victory against them feel like an accomplishment, not like a turkey shooting. This kind of new players absolutely affects me because it reduces the number of challenging players to play with as well as creates these massive blobs of unfightable messiness that require you to call the entire universe together in order to have a chance -- and then they just collapse and run around screaming like little goofs.
Your "EVE is/was/has been dying" argument is invalid, as EVE has not been in any danger of dying over the last decade despite all the hardship that new players needed to endure. I myself have been in their shoes and I have had to adapt in order to make the most out of EVE. You, however, seem to belong to a category of players who exactly cannot adapt and need the game adapt around them instead. While I may seem as an old man to you (who has been having a great time in EVE with all the ups and downs it offers and all the experiences it gives as well as actually adaptation in the face of skill shortcomings in order to still participate in corp/alliance activities), you are the wimp trying to run his bicycle over a makeshift hardpaper ramp, run it into the ground, wreck the bicycle, break a bone and then need mommy to clean the mess up after you. That is exactly the kind of player SP trading is tailored to. Now put your tinfoil hat back on or else you gonna hurt your little head the next time you run over that ramp.
What brings me back to the topic that this change, too, would be going to only benefit RL rich people who could afford to run 3 chars per client and the normal people would be limited to 1 because they have no Gold Visa.
If you actually want challenging fights, you are by far in the minority in EVE. Sov blobs aren't challenging, ganking isn't challenging, HS merc-ing isn't challenging. Most of EVE's pvp is centered around non-challenging fights. Yes, EVE isn't dying, mainly because CCP keeps changing to keep up with the market. Why should I trust some grumpy old man over the company that has kept the game running for over a decade?
I can adapt. I've adapted to these new changes, whereas you are whining on the forums. That's the opposite of adapting. It is remarkable how much you have assumed about me based on reading a few posts. That tells me a lot more about you than you think, big guy.
And did you honestly call someone rich IRL if they can afford to pay for 3 subs? That's $45/mo for dozens of hours of entertainment. If you don't have enough money IRL to pay for entertainment that is so cheap, you need to get off the computer and work harder to find a better job, mate. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.04 18:04:52 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Companies don't follow a path to the extreme conclusion.
Blizzard EA Activiition Treyarch Nexon
should i continue?
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.04 18:07:26 -
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Isaac Armer wrote: And did you honestly call someone rich IRL if they can afford to pay for 3 subs? That's $45/mo for dozens of hours of entertainment.
for some of us that's several days worth of food.... i could also spend $45 once to buy i game i could play for years
so yeah 45 is a bit month for a monthly game
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Isaac Armer
Tactical Stability Union Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2016.05.04 18:30:32 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Blizzard EA Activiition Treyarch Nexon
should i continue?
Those companies don't make virtually all their revenue from a single product.
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:for some of us that's several days worth of food.... i could also spend $45 once to buy i game i could play for years
so yeah 45 is a bit month for a monthly game
Let's say you play 10 hours/week. That's $1.12/hr. Find me another form of entertainment that costs $1.12/hr. Hell, people pay $50 to go golfing for 4 hours.
If you can't afford $1.12/hr for a luxury (which is what any video game is), get offline and find a better job. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.04 18:40:42 -
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well eve right now is less than that soo eve
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.04 18:49:30 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Blizzard EA Activiition Treyarch Nexon
should i continue? Those companies don't make virtually all their revenue from a single product. Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:for some of us that's several days worth of food.... i could also spend $45 once to buy i game i could play for years
so yeah 45 is a bit month for a monthly game Let's say you play 10 hours/week. That's $1.12/hr. Find me another form of entertainment that costs $1.12/hr. Hell, people pay $50 to go golfing for 4 hours. If you can't afford $1.12/hr for a luxury (which is what any video game is), get offline and find a better job. I dare you to say that to a Pole or an Argintinian (yeah i cant spell for **** we know).
Better the Devil you know.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.05.04 19:12:37 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:IAnd did you honestly call someone rich IRL if they can afford to pay for 3 subs? That's $45/mo for dozens of hours of entertainment. If you don't have enough money IRL to pay for entertainment that is so cheap, you need to get off the computer and work harder to find a better job, mate. Please reread what I wrote and remember what this thread is about and then think about what you just wrote. A helpful hint: 38 EURO indeed give you a lot of fun currently with 9 characters in total at your service with which you can do a lot of things. The same 38 EURO would get you a whole lot less fun under the OP's suggested system. I can easily afford 38 EURO per month for my fun, however, I cannot afford 120 EURO per month for the same number of chars. You get my drift?
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Isaac Armer
Tactical Stability Union Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2016.05.04 20:06:53 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I dare you to say that to a Pole or an Argintinian (yeah i cant spell for **** we know).
I lived on minimum wage for years. You know how many video games I played? None. Luxury items are just that, a luxury. My free time was spent job hunting, studying and training to get a job paying what I wanted. Hell, I moved 3,000 miles away from my home on my own just to get a better paying job.
Rivr Luzade wrote:Please reread what I wrote and remember what this thread is about and then think about what you just wrote. A helpful hint: 38 EURO indeed give you a lot of fun currently with 9 characters in total at your service with which you can do a lot of things. The same 38 EURO would get you a whole lot less fun under the OP's suggested system. I can easily afford 38 EURO per month for my fun, however, I cannot afford 120 EURO per month for the same number of chars. You get my drift?
I'm against OPs idea. I mentioned the cost of EVE in response to someone claiming three accounts was expensive.
OP's original idea is fundamentally changing a core concept of how people play the game. One thing would happen. People would simply stop using alts, decreasing the economic output in EVE (not a great thing). The average EVE player has multiple accounts. Paying for three accounts is reasonable, paying for nine is not. Where the 'reasonable-ness' line is drawn is something we can debate, of course.
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:explain to me how making us buy skins rather than make them or how advertising fking NES items inside the stations helps anyone?
how do dailies help for that matter? if newbros need an extra 10ksp a day then give them an extra 10ksp a day but don't add grind to sp also this game does not favor anyone from a sp standpoint beyond the first month.
does it favor player skill and connections? yes but you can max out a ship in less than 3M sp
No one is forcing you do do dailies. I will probably never sign in simply to do them. Extra SP doesn't matter to me at this point. If it matters to a newbie to the point they grind dailies, but injectors, etc. great. That doesn't affect me at all.
I have talked to more than a few people in other games who refused to even start EVE because they know of the SP system and think "there's no way I could catch up." If CCP's actions help dispel some of that stigma, I see it as a good thing, provided it doesn't go too far (which their actions so far don't, IMO). How far is too far? That's subjective, of course. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.05.04 20:39:11 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:lol what do you mean competitors
this is something that would make CCP more $ fast and drive more players away in the long run sounds like CCPs MO You're honestly claiming people would simply sub more accounts/buy more plex instead of just not using the extra characters they have? This idea is a giant middle finger to people who have invested time into training alts on the same account. I have one account and use all three characters. If this idea was put into place, I'd simply extract the skill points from two of the characters and stop using them. And do you really not know there are more games than EVE on the market?
This...except I'd also look into selling my alts on the character bazaar as well.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.05.04 20:45:11 -
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Oh, and I'd probably go from 3 accounts down to 1. I have three to make some of my money making processes more profitable. But without those alts those processes would be less profitable....so I'd probably just stop all accounts except for my main.
Yeah, this is just a horrible idea.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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