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Nieme
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:13:20 -
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Hello, I just wanted to complain about the horrible game mechanic that is known as "afk cloaky compers".
If you are new to the game or dont know what I'm referring to, then this is a short explanation: In 0.0 systems it is common that people leave cyno equipped cloaked alts that they leave AFK in systems for days, weeks, months. They just leave them logged on while doing basically nothing on the characters.
This makes it hard for people to be active in systems mine/rat/etc because every now and then they actually check their alt and take them out to drop on something.
While it should be appropriate risk/reward in 0.0, punishing people yet again who actively want to play or do something by letting other people be afk in systems for weeks is not a good mechanic.
I have of course a suggestion that could solve this in a good way without doing anything dramatic against cloaking modules. A module that is attachable on citadels, which damages cloaking devices 1% every minute they are activated within the solar system. So if you want to camp systems, its still possible as 1% every minute lets you be cloaked for pretty damn long; but still makes you vulnerable every now and then (to repair the module etc). The module is damaged by 1% as soon as you activate the device so you can't "game" the system. It should also be attachable to any size Citadel and will damage both allied and enemy cloaking devices alike.
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Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre StarBurst Pirateers
232
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:23:37 -
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Oh geeesh, NOT this again, another poor stealthy complaint by an NPC school alt becuz we can be afk all day long and not bother you unless we darn well feel like it. Your idea has no merit, so......no. |
Nieme
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:26:06 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:Oh geeesh, NOT this again, another poor stealthy complaint by an NPC school alt becuz we can be afk all day long and not bother you unless we darn well feel like it. Your idea has no merit, so......no.
Yeah lets all just buy 10 accounts each so we can leave alts all over the galaxy |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14067
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:29:07 -
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Nieme wrote:Hello, I just wanted to complain about the horrible game mechanic that is known as "afk cloaky compers".
If you are new to the game or dont know what I'm referring to, then this is a short explanation: In 0.0 systems it is common that people leave cyno equipped cloaked alts that they leave AFK in systems for days, weeks, months. They just leave them logged on while doing basically nothing on the characters.
This makes it hard for people to be active in systems mine/rat/etc because every now and then they actually check their alt and take them out to drop on something.
While it should be appropriate risk/reward in 0.0, punishing people yet again who actively want to play or do something by letting other people be afk in systems for weeks is not a good mechanic.
I have of course a suggestion that could solve this in a good way without doing anything dramatic against cloaking modules. A module that is attachable on citadels, which damages cloaking devices 1% every minute they are activated within the solar system. So if you want to camp systems, its still possible as 1% every minute lets you be cloaked for pretty damn long; but still makes you vulnerable every now and then (to repair the module etc). The module is damaged by 1% as soon as you activate the device so you can't "game" the system. It should also be attachable to any size Citadel and will damage both allied and enemy cloaking devices alike.
It's always funny when someone complains about afk cloakers while posting from a "forum cloaker" aka npc alt. I doubt anyone is cloaking up in Seibestor space lol
This is where your nonsense needs to be posted. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
449
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:31:40 -
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AFK means AWAY from keyboard.... how can you be afraid to somebody that is AWAY and NOT playing?!
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PrivateEye
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:33:54 -
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Nieme wrote:Ashlar Maidstone wrote:Oh geeesh, NOT this again, another poor stealthy complaint by an NPC school alt becuz we can be afk all day long and not bother you unless we darn well feel like it. Your idea has no merit, so......no. Yeah lets all just buy 10 accounts each so we can leave alts all over the galaxy
Only 10? LOL NOOB!
There's a guy cloaky camping in Drone Lands with 40 alts! |
Nieme
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:36:57 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:AFK means AWAY from keyboard.... how can you be afraid to somebody that is AWAY and NOT playing?!
Because of ****** mechanics |
Nieme
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:39:05 -
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Lets not pretend to be clever here, we all know what would happen if I complained about something like this with my main, I barely even rat anyway so its not much of a problem for me just a general annoyance.
Also, I didnt know there was a big thread about hte subject, how do I delete this post? |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:39:25 -
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I think if your paranoia is to the level of not doing something in a system because that 1 other person in system is causing your heart to go into palpitations, then you need to find something else to do.
I suggest you:
GÇó Turn up your "Warp volume" in the audio options so that anyone warping in nearby is heard before they are even on your scopes. Immediately hit your Dscan if they don't show up immediately.
GÇó Either stay aligned to an exit or stay at max velocity when doing your 'thing'.
GÇó Use the smallest, cheapest, ship that is capable of doing whatever it is you do. You'll miss it less if you lose it.
GÇó Play the game alertly. If you start to fade, dock up, deal with yourself relax a moment, then undock and hit it again refreshed.
GÇó Last but actually rule #1: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
If you do the above, whomever else is in system shouldn't bug you. You just up your alertness level.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:41:38 -
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Oh my sweet summer child, you're almost adorable. |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6034
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:52:40 -
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Dev Blog: Back Into The Structure wrote:E. Observatory arrays
Dedicated to intelligence gathering.
Service module possibilities: Being able to increase, decrease or block Star Map filters in the solar systems theyGÇÖre deployed, act as solar system wide D-scan blockers, disrupt ship intelligence in the solar system, take over player tracking capabilities from NPC agents or be able to affect or pinpoint cloak users. We are considering basing their effectiveness through a network coverage (like cell phones) so that a single one may not be that useful, but maintaining a bunch of them in space could give a significant advantage.
Rigs possibilities: anything affecting the duration or effectiveness of whatGÇÖs mentioned above. https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/back-into-the-structure/ |
Nieme
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.05.05 17:56:18 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Dev Blog: Back Into The Structure wrote:E. Observatory arrays
Dedicated to intelligence gathering.
Service module possibilities: Being able to increase, decrease or block Star Map filters in the solar systems theyGÇÖre deployed, act as solar system wide D-scan blockers, disrupt ship intelligence in the solar system, take over player tracking capabilities from NPC agents or be able to affect or pinpoint cloak users. We are considering basing their effectiveness through a network coverage (like cell phones) so that a single one may not be that useful, but maintaining a bunch of them in space could give a significant advantage.
Rigs possibilities: anything affecting the duration or effectiveness of whatGÇÖs mentioned above. https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/back-into-the-structure/
Sweet! Thanks. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11895
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Posted - 2016.05.05 18:01:19 -
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The two confluences of pathos - AFK cloaker whine and NPC posting alt cowardice - meet to produce an unholy and rather smelly **** baby.
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Chewytowel Haklar
Project RESET
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Posted - 2016.05.05 18:29:19 -
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Bumblefck wrote:The two confluences of pathos - AFK cloaker whine and NPC posting alt cowardice - meet to produce an unholy and rather smelly **** baby.
You know, it's people like you that actually ruin the game. You spread your terrible attitudes, troll, and act incredibly self involved and honestly do nothing more then to push people away from the game. I suppose that is what some of you want isn't it? If we aren't part of your cute little elitist club we just aren't entitled to be in your special little game are we? |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.05.05 18:40:39 -
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You can have my cloak when you lose your local. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.05.05 18:50:54 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
You know, it's people like you that actually ruin the game. You spread your terrible attitudes, troll, and act incredibly self involved and honestly do nothing more then to push people away from the game. I suppose that is what some of you want isn't it? If we aren't part of your cute little elitist club we just aren't entitled to be in your special little game are we?
Please point out exactly what elitist club it is that I apparently have membership with, as I for one would dearly like to know. If, by that remark, you are commenting on my NPC alt comment, then am I correct in assuming that the elite club of which you speak is comprised of 10K ISK and a crappy lvl1 skill?
Is this not supposed to be a game of consequences? What about the 'Butterfly Effect' trailer from a few years ago (which was awesome)? Where are the consequences if one produces nonsense (sometimes just that, nonsense, but occasionally quite serious), yet cannot be served righteous justice in game? With no attachments or references to one's reputation, the forums would be filled with NPC alts extruding all sorts of crap.
The fact is, the AFK cloaking whines are endless and it would appear that CCP agrees with this position, as any new ones that crop up are generally locked pretty sharpish by the mods. I would wager that they do this because they recognise them for what they are: meaningless rants that contribute nothing to the general discourse of the game.
I suspect that, if my sometimes off-topic and irreverent posting is upsetting you and ruining this game for you, you may have bigger problems on the horizon.
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Xair Nuitarius
Lonely Wanderers
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Posted - 2016.05.05 18:51:35 -
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I like this idea. It will be nice have some module that damages activated modules in system. But as trade of we need another passive module. If this module is fitted on ship this ship don't apear on lacal. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
449
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Posted - 2016.05.05 18:55:55 -
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Nieme wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:AFK means AWAY from keyboard.... how can you be afraid to somebody that is AWAY and NOT playing?! Because of ****** mechanics
which mechanics?!
Just Add Water
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11895
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Posted - 2016.05.05 18:57:57 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Nieme wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:AFK means AWAY from keyboard.... how can you be afraid to somebody that is AWAY and NOT playing?! Because of ****** mechanics which mechanics?!
The ****** ones...you know, the ones that have a three hour lunch break at the pub, etc etc :)
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Chewytowel Haklar
Project RESET
146
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Posted - 2016.05.05 19:17:40 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
You know, it's people like you that actually ruin the game. You spread your terrible attitudes, troll, and act incredibly self involved and honestly do nothing more then to push people away from the game. I suppose that is what some of you want isn't it? If we aren't part of your cute little elitist club we just aren't entitled to be in your special little game are we?
Please point out exactly what elitist club it is that I apparently have membership with, as I for one would dearly like to know. If, by that remark, you are commenting on my NPC alt comment, then am I correct in assuming that the elite club of which you speak is comprised of 10K ISK and a crappy lvl1 skill? Is this not supposed to be a game of consequences? What about the 'Butterfly Effect' trailer from a few years ago (which was awesome)? Where are the consequences if one produces nonsense (sometimes just that, nonsense, but occasionally quite serious), yet cannot be served righteous justice in game? With no attachments or references to one's reputation, the forums would be filled with NPC alts extruding all sorts of crap. The fact is, the AFK cloaking whines are endless and it would appear that CCP agrees with this position, as any new ones that crop up are generally locked pretty sharpish by the mods. I would wager that they do this because they recognise them for what they are: meaningless rants that contribute nothing to the general discourse of the game. I suspect that, if my sometimes off-topic and irreverent posting is upsetting you and ruining this game for you, you may have bigger problems on the horizon.
You have a really interesting way of defending your poor behavior. I believe you filled your post with so many twists and turns I had a hard time keeping track. And apparently they are responding to these concerns with the option to possibly locate these cloaky campers with many different structures put up around a system. I assure you the butterfly effect will still exist regardless even if you remove everyone you deem unworthy of your precious little club. |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.05.05 19:22:02 -
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...and you have a really interesting way of articulating your attacks and counter-attacks. I've already asked you - quite plainly and in the very first sentence, no less - which elitist club it is that you purport I belong to. Please, tell me!
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Chewytowel Haklar
Project RESET
146
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Posted - 2016.05.05 19:29:44 -
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Bumblefck wrote:...and you have a really interesting way of articulating your attacks and counter-attacks. I've already asked you - quite plainly and in the very first sentence, no less - which elitist club it is that you purport I belong to. Please, tell me!
I think it would be more appropriate to stay on topic on this thread, and better yet for you to apologize to the OP. Regardless I am not playing your childish game sir. Clearly you understand what I am articulating and fully understand it but chose to derail this thread with nothing but your continued poor behavior. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
449
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Posted - 2016.05.05 19:48:37 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Bumblefck wrote:...and you have a really interesting way of articulating your attacks and counter-attacks. I've already asked you - quite plainly and in the very first sentence, no less - which elitist club it is that you purport I belong to. Please, tell me! I think it would be more appropriate to stay on topic on this thread, and better yet for you to apologize to the OP. Regardless I am not playing your childish game sir. Clearly you understand what I am articulating and fully understand it but chose to derail this thread with nothing but your continued poor behavior.
no this thread should be closed...
this topic has been discussed enough already... the OP should use the search function...
nothing will come out of this whining. this thread will be ignored by CCP and will be eventually closed by ISD because there's no point in this topic.
bottom line, afk cloakies can't hurt you because they're AFK.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4392
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Posted - 2016.05.05 21:19:32 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:And apparently they are responding to these concerns with the option to possibly locate these cloaky campers with many different structures put up around a system. Yes, but that would probably just slightly limit either the time you can spend AFK, or the systems in which you can AFK camp, or both.
I assure you that the bad players that whine about cloaky campers today would still whine that these new structures don't do enough.
The problem here isn't game mechanics...
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Helen Kor-Azor Xeatari
Legends of Tempest
1
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Posted - 2016.05.30 17:49:33 -
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One or 2 years ago I heard about some new structures that could allow to scan for cloakies, any update on that?
I'm not against scouting and hunting using cloaky ships, but sitting cloaked for weeks in a system is just broken, in eve everything should have a counter, this doesn't. 1 guy with couple alts and a blops can shut down a constellation and the defenders can do what? Keep a fleet sitting in jump range 24/7 in hopes the afk dude decides to do something? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16042
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Posted - 2016.05.30 17:54:09 -
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nope, nohing new on that front.
regardlessPaicis wrote:This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:
1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following: - "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"
2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.
3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.
4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)
5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.
6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.
7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!
8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.
We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.
Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please?
Better the Devil you know.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10295
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Posted - 2016.05.30 18:35:21 -
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I've been cloaked in this thread for the last hour and no one was the wiser.
But, to be honest, it's almost as boring as doing it in game. Not much payoff for the time invested. I much prefer when I have a visible presence.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6159
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Posted - 2016.05.30 20:00:27 -
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Helen Kor-Azor Xeatari wrote:One or 2 years ago I heard about some new structures that could allow to scan for cloakies, any update on that? Go back to post #11 |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
156
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Posted - 2016.05.30 20:08:06 -
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mock OP all you want. AFK/ALT cloak camping has been the most unaddressed and abused broken mechanic in the game in my 7 years.
It needs to be looked at.
My humble opinion. give cloaking devices a 10/30/45 min auto-cycle with every cycle having a 5-15% chance of failing each time it restarts. The fail can be skill based CCP. Starting at 15% and down to 5% at level V. There you go CCP, i just gave you another skill to milk a month out of all of us. You're welcome. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1675
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Posted - 2016.05.30 20:28:56 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:mock OP all you want. AFK/ALT cloak camping has been the most unaddressed and abused broken mechanic in the game in my 7 years.
It needs to be looked at.
My humble opinion. give cloaking devices a 10/30/45 min auto-cycle with every cycle having a 5-15% chance of failing each time it restarts. The fail can be skill based CCP. Starting at 15% and down to 5% at level V. There you go CCP, i just gave you another skill to milk a month out of all of us. You're welcome.
I agree with your sentiments, but don't touch the cloak, the issue is with the AFK part and that is what needs to be flagged.
As for the OP, you are a brave perhaps naive person posting this as the HTFU brigade will troll you like mad. Go and read the various points made by multitude of people and understand the subject, then come back. What you will find is that there are people here who in one breath will slag off AFK miners or AFK ratting and then say AFK cloaky camping is fine, treat those people with the contempt they deserve. Take it from one who hunts cloaky campers, the issue is the AFK part, how can you interact with someone who is asleep or at work, I cannot bait him or setup other traps and I don't know that he is at work or asleep, so he is rewarded by me wasting my time when he is not even playing the game.
An AFK flag, is the only way to go.
COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
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