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Cooter Lik
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cooter Lik on 22/02/2007 18:23:26
Originally by: Steve Nash *snip*
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Accidental alt post, my apologies.
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Iorya Dragon
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:28:00 -
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I dont believe this, from about one year, every big loose that LV suffers, one of them show up on forums and say, CCP did it, it was lag, **** lag that...I think it time for you to go back to empire...
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crudhunch
Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Doomed Predator Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
Wow this maybe the only LV response I have seen for either of these systems in which LV isnÆt acting like poor losers and crying cheaters to goons.
Grats on the station guys. Maybe someday soon you might be able to fight someone like FIX who likes a good fight. When they loose they donÆt run around crying and when they win they donÆt through it in your face. Just enjoy a good fight.
Good hunting
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:54:00 -
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**** happens , we lasted a good 18 months in there lets see if you can keep it that long.
Have fun but keep watching around you , we will be back
(no evil drunk smilie so that one will do)
****e name btw , starts off good a is very witty , tails away to the usual propaganda pish which is disappointing.
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SencneS
Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:56:00 -
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My dedication goes out to the LV Dread Pilot that would rather self destruct his Dread then have it be destroyed.. That's a class act if ever I've seen it, brings a tear to my eye...
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tassi
Originally by: Doomed Predator Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
Your leaders still pretended on these very forums that you are NOT going to lose anything. In fact they said they will crush the enemies.
Are you accepting that your leaders lied?
You're confusing over confidence with lieing. He posted in acceptance so give him a break perhaps?
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Cooter Lik
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.22 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Doomed Predator Meh,you win some you lose some. It isn't over yet so put away the champagne.
As I said before this is an excellent post and it's fun to play internet spaceship games with people like this poster.
This is my main. As I said above, I was an accidental post from my alt.
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Bodark
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.22 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: VBboy Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time ...
same way teh titan pilot lost it's Toyota Corola... too bad, at least now you know how it feels
situations like that would hopefully help in placing blame where it belongs and rediculous statements like "oh well those are game mechanincs LIVE with them" would turn into "FIX THE DAMN GAME"
Titan pilot had the option to log back in and save his ship. LV pilots didnt.
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Archonon
Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: VBboy Thank ccp not us, they gave you JV1 and 77s..grats you win due to game machanics, bet your proud of that fight!
VB
I remember when Chimp took detorid, they used bubles spam and drones to dramaticaly increase lag at gates just after kali's patch. It was impossible to jump even with 500 players and u exploited that, we didn't cry as u do. Your alliance has exactly what it deserves, we began this war against a large coalition 1.5 y ago and you are the last little remain.
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Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:10:00 -
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GJ :)
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Atreus Minmatarius
Fatalix Inc. Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bodark
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: VBboy Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time ...
same way teh titan pilot lost it's Toyota Corola... too bad, at least now you know how it feels
situations like that would hopefully help in placing blame where it belongs and rediculous statements like "oh well those are game mechanincs LIVE with them" would turn into "FIX THE DAMN GAME"
Titan pilot had the option to log back in and save his ship. LV pilots didnt.
oh well maybe they should have tried harder titan died offline... station changes hands offline... you call it what you want i call it poetic justice/irony (whichever one you prefer)
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Bodark
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: Bodark
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: VBboy Its just a shame we were all logged off at the time ...
same way teh titan pilot lost it's Toyota Corola... too bad, at least now you know how it feels
situations like that would hopefully help in placing blame where it belongs and rediculous statements like "oh well those are game mechanincs LIVE with them" would turn into "FIX THE DAMN GAME"
Titan pilot had the option to log back in and save his ship. LV pilots didnt.
oh well maybe they should have tried harder titan died offline... station changes hands offline... you call it what you want i call it poetic justice/irony (whichever one you prefer)
I call it a broken game. But, who needs POSs and stations? With the current game status best thing LV is just to go out there and kill them again and again and again ......
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Atreus Minmatarius
Fatalix Inc. Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bodark
I call it a broken game.
see, we agree on that. that was my whole point.
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JimBob Moving
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:30:00 -
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.22 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: JimBob Moving When LV+Allies had 400 ships and bubbles on the gate there were 2 options.
1. Jump in a massive fllet and crash the node.
2. Jump in waves of 200 cruisers and crash the node repeatedly. It took a couple waves of throwaway ships but goons managed to do that several times and thanks to the node only covering that system and not the adjacent ones the rest of the coalition jumped in afterwards while the defenders were trying to log in.
Why would you jump in waves of cruisers when you had enough ships to take the defenders as you proclaim you did?
Jump queues
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Destrukter
Now I am not saying right or wrong here its just that in order to defeat your camp they had to do what they did which was try and get enough firepower on that gate to slug it out with you so they could travel the 100-200km away from the gate to assemble.
At what point did you think the node would hold even if they brought even numbers.
Sorry I am just tired of all the crying of foul on the LV's part for this specific case (I will agree with you on the 77S case as far as the facts I have seen).
Just my thoughts and I would really like to hear a non flaming response (from both sides) although I may be asking to much in CAOD.
This arguement, which I've seen so many times, is simply wrong headed thinking. The node crash was purposeful. Not preplanned, perhaps, but most definitely folks jumped to JV knowing full well that the node stood a rats chance in hell of staying up, and simply tossing the entire battle into a*****ed hat.
What other choice did the coalition have? How about taking the cap ships you had assembled and attacking multiple station systems while the ENTIRE effective LV fleet was trapped in JV? A completely clear opportunity missed because of poor planning and focus. LV had little choice but to defend the system as heavily as possible. The coalition did have a choice on what to do about it.
From the point of game mechanics, their leadership chose wrong, imo. But hey, maybe folks had fun staring at the login screen.
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Vando
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris How about taking the cap ships you had assembled and attacking multiple station systems while the ENTIRE effective LV fleet was trapped in JV?
That doesn't get titans dead, though.
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Major Stormer
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS My dedication goes out to the LV Dread Pilot that would rather self destruct his Dread then have it be destroyed.. That's a class act if ever I've seen it, brings a tear to my eye...
Good words.
However, again continued gl to coaliton.
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:19:00 -
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You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified. ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist
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Heldane
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris
This arguement, which I've seen so many times, is simply wrong headed thinking. The node crash was purposeful. Not preplanned, perhaps, but most definitely folks jumped to JV knowing full well that the node stood a rats chance in hell of staying up, and simply tossing the entire battle into a*****ed hat.
What other choice did the coalition have? How about taking the cap ships you had assembled and attacking multiple station systems while the ENTIRE effective LV fleet was trapped in JV? A completely clear opportunity missed because of poor planning and focus. LV had little choice but to defend the system as heavily as possible. The coalition did have a choice on what to do about it.
From the point of game mechanics, their leadership chose wrong, imo. But hey, maybe folks had fun staring at the login screen.
I doubt LV would have messed up the stront timeing on that POS again. That was the coalitions best chance to destroy the titan that was building. From all acounts both sides were unable to log in for the most part but since they had so many more people attempting to get in than you did it was inevitable that they would get more pilots through the log in queues.
Also, they clearly figured correctly that LV would fold if they lost the titan and that system and the other systems would follow in short order anyway. Quit your whining and crying LV. You stunk up these forums for weeks with your chestbeating and false bravado, now they are making you eat those hollow words. Have fun mining in empire or sucking up to BoB.
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Thoric Frosthammer
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified.
Eh? This line of reasoning is so devoid of logic it is almost impossible to follow. By this argument, the attacker is required to wait until the defender feels like not showing up to mount an attack?
Given the mechanics of POS warfare which create "scheduled" conflicts in essence, this would mean by your lights all LV has to do to prevent the POS from ever being killed is just show up in large numbers every time it comes out of reinforced, thus ensuring that anyone jumping in will crash the node, and the other side would be required to go "good show, old chap, we'll come back next week and see if you're still here".
I'd like to come up with a less inflammatory way of describing your argument, but "complete retardation" is the only term that fits.
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: bulabuba on 22/02/2007 21:55:02 Edited by: bulabuba on 22/02/2007 21:48:04
It's just numbers guys. I've been in these fights against RAGOON/TCF/IAC and yes, there is nothing that you can do much of the time between node crashes and lag. I don't think anyone who has been in those fights would describe them as anything other than completely unplayable tactically.
That said, and given the current state of the servers, it's the side that can and will bring massive numbers in a sustained attack around the clock that is going to win. It's just plain old "human wave" warfare. Not pretty, but time tested and proven effective when confronting an enemy with superior technology and training if you have the bodies to throw at it and keep throwing at it.
Defending or attacking, lag and crashes do favor these kind of tactics, and, I would dare to say, make them all but unbeatable because they render the skills and technology that could be used in a zero lag environment to slaughter the "human wave" attackers or defenders en masse more or less useless.
There is nothing that LV or BoB are going to be able to do against this short of some CCP intervention that changes the mechanics of the game or the playability of large fleet battles Real Soon Now(tm). When LV and BoB fall, it will be their own doing. They put themselves out there on an island and didn't see it coming. BoB especially isolated themselves with their in-your-face arrogance. In the history of eve they will probably be known as the last two super-alliances that tried to go it alone. The age of axis level warfare has arrived, and will probably prevail until some problems with the game are addressed. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
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fugazii
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.22 21:52:00 -
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congrats
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified.
So if you had a very good opportunity to kill a titan you would not because they have 400 people in local and your gang is 600? LetÆs call it off boys the node is going to crash.
You would rather take your 600 man fleet and put 5-10 POS into reinforce mode that really does nothing for you? Come on dude you sound retarded.
Lets see a titan is billion of isk a titan BPO is billions of isk and that kind of a loss hurts ones motivation to keep fighting. It also gave us the chance to setup a friendly POS to base our operations out of giving us a safe place.
On a side not if LV had 2 titans they would use 2 DDÆs at the same time making it very difficult for us to get anything doneà Letting them finish the 2nd titan would have been just dumb of us. The LV titan was coming out of the oven in 1 week. This was in the LV high command forums.
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incist
Gallente NALOH
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cupdeez
Originally by: Aegis Osiris You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified.
So if you had a very good opportunity to kill a titan you would not because they have 400 people in local and your gang is 600? LetÆs call it off boys the node is going to crash.
You would rather take your 600 man fleet and put 5-10 POS into reinforce mode that really does nothing for you? Come on dude you sound retarded.
Lets see a titan is billion of isk a titan BPO is billions of isk and that kind of a loss hurts ones motivation to keep fighting. It also gave us the chance to setup a friendly POS to base our operations out of giving us a safe place.
On a side not if LV had 2 titans they would use 2 DDÆs at the same time making it very difficult for us to get anything doneà Letting them finish the 2nd titan would have been just dumb of us. The LV titan was coming out of the oven in 1 week. This was in the LV high command forums.
Why did you guys not jump in your whole fleet at once then if you were there to counter the numbers...
Why did you guys systematically jump in just enough people every time to crash the node, and leave the rest of your fleet somewhere else?
Why are there teamspeak recordings floating around of your FC's telling people how to crash the nodes?
You guys are so anti-bob for meta gaming and being all*****y but I havent seen a single mature decent post from anyone on your side in a long time. On top of that with the constant bragging about spying do you really think anyone outside of your bandwagon respects you any more then BoB? No. |
Sigos
ORIGIN SYSTEMS Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: incist Why did you guys not jump in your whole fleet at once then if you were there to counter the numbers...
Jump Queues.
Originally by: incist Why did you guys systematically jump in just enough people every time to crash the node, and leave the rest of your fleet somewhere else?
This is a leading question. This was not done on purpose. It was, once again, due to the jump queues.
Originally by: incist Why are there teamspeak recordings floating around of your FC's telling people how to crash the nodes?
I do not recall this, but it is possible that they were talking about this without encouraging the forces to do this. I know for a fact that the Curse Alliance administration is vehemently opposed to purposely exploiting game mechanics. We hate dealing with node crashes just as much as most do.
Originally by: incist You guys are so anti-bob for meta gaming and being all*****y but I havent seen a single mature decent post from anyone on your side in a long time. On top of that with the constant bragging about spying do you really think anyone outside of your bandwagon respects you any more then BoB? No.
There is a large amount of crap spewing out of the mouths of people from every alliance that posts regularly. This is sad but true. Additionally, just as in a real war, spying and subterfuge is a major part of warfare. It is an accepted fact that every major player most likely has spies in every other major player. Knowledge is power.
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: incist
Why did you guys not jump in your whole fleet at once then if you were there to counter the numbers...
Why did you guys systematically jump in just enough people every time to crash the node, and leave the rest of your fleet somewhere else?
Why are there teamspeak recordings floating around of your FC's telling people how to crash the nodes?
You guys are so anti-bob for meta gaming and being all*****y but I havent seen a single mature decent post from anyone on your side in a long time. On top of that with the constant bragging about spying do you really think anyone outside of your bandwagon respects you any more then BoB? No.
Oh, just stop. War is not a boxing match. In war, you aren't there to have a fair fight, you are there to win. In fact, as a commander you are tasked with trying to make the fight as unfair (in your favor) as you possibly can. What it takes to crash a node is no secret, and node crashes in this game are not a possiblity, they are an eventuality whenever opponents of any size at all meet. The only thing that you can do as a commander is try to manage them to be as favorable to your side as you can.
One of the first things that you learn as a military man is that battles are not always fought on sunny days at times and places of your choosing. Sometimes, in fact most times, you have to fight when conditions are less favorable than you'd like. If we all wanted to be really sportsman like, we'd all agree that if I wanted to take your system I'd challenge you for it and then we'd have a lag free 30 v 30 battle to decide the outcome in honorable combat. Don't hold your breath.
Until that magical day arrives, commanders are going to do what they need to do to win, and play the game as they find it, including bringing a large enough force to do the job, lag and crashes be damned. If you want a different outcome, you'll have to play a different game, I'm afraid. -----------------------------------------------
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.22 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: incist
Originally by: Cupdeez
Originally by: Aegis Osiris You didnt kill a titan, you aborted one, and I bet there was time left on its cook timer.
I dont think there was a compelling reason for the attack to happen then, other then 'we want to', which given the consequences to so many people on both sides, doesn't seem really justified.
So if you had a very good opportunity to kill a titan you would not because they have 400 people in local and your gang is 600? LetÆs call it off boys the node is going to crash.
You would rather take your 600 man fleet and put 5-10 POS into reinforce mode that really does nothing for you? Come on dude you sound retarded.
Lets see a titan is billion of isk a titan BPO is billions of isk and that kind of a loss hurts ones motivation to keep fighting. It also gave us the chance to setup a friendly POS to base our operations out of giving us a safe place.
On a side not if LV had 2 titans they would use 2 DDÆs at the same time making it very difficult for us to get anything doneà Letting them finish the 2nd titan would have been just dumb of us. The LV titan was coming out of the oven in 1 week. This was in the LV high command forums.
Why did you guys not jump in your whole fleet at once then if you were there to counter the numbers...
Why did you guys systematically jump in just enough people every time to crash the node, and leave the rest of your fleet somewhere else?
Why are there teamspeak recordings floating around of your FC's telling people how to crash the nodes?
You guys are so anti-bob for meta gaming and being all*****y but I havent seen a single mature decent post from anyone on your side in a long time. On top of that with the constant bragging about spying do you really think anyone outside of your bandwagon respects you any more then BoB? No.
The answer is jump queues. You can't jump in 1000 people all at once.
There was a constant stream of people coming down. If we had said: ok you 1000 people all jump in, do you think the node would have held? There was no order given that suggested to me any intent to crash a node. We wanted to get in there, and we did. We expected it would lag to hell and there was a real possibility of a node crash. We did not want this and did not facilitate it.
Ignoring eve, it is a natural human reactor to seek outside blame or denial during a loss. Football is a great example: The ref was *****. Same in EVE, but with the added bonus of the security blanket that is the internet to hide our emotions behind.
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.23 00:18:00 -
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Congratulations to the coalition
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Denrace
Amarr JEM Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.23 00:27:00 -
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Those D2 Asterix sigs really are amusing.
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