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ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2016.06.08 15:07:16 -
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Paxx Mandragoran wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Holly Amatin wrote:You declare war on RDRAW and then complain that they help blow up one of your citadels.
Bitter much? Nope. Just pointing out continued bad behavior, which pretty much aligns with what we expected from them as "militia partners". So shooting at people who wardec you is "bad behavior"? Not sure what you want here. If you're red on my overview, you're gonna get shot. In this case, you chose to be red, and you can go back to being purple any time you want. Until then, I guess I will continue to behave badly. As for Jane's list of dishonorable actions... everything on that list has also been done by the other side... reminds me of a story about a pot and a kettle. It's war - either deal with it or drop the war. That ball is in your court. How's the war going? Pretty much a snooze-fest that hasn't amounted to much other than continued sniping back and forth on the forums and minor skirmishes in game. It looks like it's going to keep going... I guess we will see if it escalates or continues to just be targets of opportunity and small engagements. There are good capable pilots and FCs on both sides, so it certainly could turn into a much bigger deal than it has been. Those decisions are way above my paygrade, but personally I think there are plenty of other people to shoot so I'm content with the minor nature of the civil war.
Not true i dont remember shooting GalMil corps we are not at war with while helping kill a staging pos
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Paxx Mandragoran
Rapid Withdrawal
10
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Posted - 2016.06.08 19:59:12 -
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ivona fly wrote:
Not true. I dont remember shooting GalMil corps we are not at war with/ helping to kill a galmil staging pos that squids are shooting.
Killing the pos is covered in the first part of my post. It is completely unreasonable for you to wardec us and then expect us to not shoot your stuff :) Yes, shooting your staging pos hurts the overall FW war effort. But here's a news flash skippy... so does wardeccing allied militia corps :)
As for shooting GalMil people you're not at war with... yes, your side has done it. Just because you "don't remember" it doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. To be honest, I think both sides have made significant efforts to limit any damage to non war participants. I know that we have purposely ignored galmil roams that we would have engaged because they had non involved pilots included, and we have also limited several of our own fleets to rdraw only (before some others joined in on our side) to avoid having our friends put in that awkward position should we get jumped by your side.
Overall, I think that the instances of non parties getting caught up in the war has been surprisingly low. Of course, none of that matters here on the forums where it's evidently cool to come and cry about how "dishonorable" your opponent is when they exhibit "bad behavior" by fighting a war that they didn't start. Personally, I think the whole thing is pretty silly... both the war in game and the one on the forums and reddit. But hey, you shoot at me in game, and I'm gonna shoot back. You talk some sillyness on the forums, and I'll call it out. It's all good fun.
And in the meantime, this war will either keep smoldering in skirmishville, in which case we'll shoot at each other from time to time and talk some smack back and forth on the forums.... escalate so that we actually do some damage to each other and drive the political wedge even further between us.... or come to an end at which point we can start flying together against common enemies again. Which one happens is way out of my control, so I'll just continue to shoot whatever's red on the overview and let the politicos worry about the rest of it. I like and respect a lot of people on the other side of this thing - and the fact that we're currently shooting at each other doesn't change that. I'm gonna have fun either flying with or against them.
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ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
32
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Posted - 2016.06.11 12:54:23 -
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We never attacked galmil corps that were not at war with, can you give me an example of how we have done, because I know of two occasions now rdraw have turned thier guns on friendly miltia corps in support of snuff within the last few weeks.
I think it's easy to forget that rdraw have been war dec'd by dozens of miltia corps, not just 1. You are doing very little to remove your snuff pet reputation of putting snuffbux before miltia ties, and essentially proving your detractors correct. |
Tenga Fera
Rapid Withdrawal
4
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Posted - 2016.06.12 19:08:21 -
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This thread is mostly pointless and it seems to mainly involve GalMil pilots trying to convince people that they're taking the 'high road' and Caldari (and ex-Caldari) pilots trying to stir ****. RDRAW has no desire to fight Galmil entities and we'd prefer if peace were made.
We chose to ally with Snuff for higher end content for a number of reasons. To me, this had nothing to do with FW and changed nothing with our Galmil allies and our fight against the Caldari. We've been wardecced because we didn't fall in line behind the mighty BLFOX and BEBOP to further their own non-FW interests.
The idea that RDRAW are "snuff pets" or has become a "snuff feeder corp" is ridiculous, more Snuff have joined RDRAW than vice versa.
We're all here to have fun and blow up internet space ships but I'm afraid some people's pride is getting in the way of this. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
442
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:49:35 -
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Tenga Fera wrote: We chose to ally with Snuff for higher end content for a number of reasons. To me, this had nothing to do with FW and changed nothing with our Galmil allies and our fight against the Caldari. We've been wardecced because we didn't fall in line behind the mighty BLFOX and BEBOP to further their own non-FW interests.
The idea that RDRAW are "snuff pets" or has become a "snuff feeder corp" is ridiculous, more Snuff have joined RDRAW than vice versa.
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Hi End Content lol ecm bursting stabbed magus .... skillz brah
But your ceo told everyone you would be a feeder corp and saying more snuff joined rdraw makes us trust you more how?? like there not going to give intel to thier old corpys
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Super Chair
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
718
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Posted - 2016.06.13 09:03:03 -
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*Popcorn* |
ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
32
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Posted - 2016.06.14 01:21:01 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Tenga Fera wrote: We chose to ally with Snuff for higher end content for a number of reasons. To me, this had nothing to do with FW and changed nothing with our Galmil allies and our fight against the Caldari. We've been wardecced because we didn't fall in line behind the mighty BLFOX and BEBOP to further their own non-FW interests.
The idea that RDRAW are "snuff pets" or has become a "snuff feeder corp" is ridiculous, more Snuff have joined RDRAW than vice versa.
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Hi End Content lol ecm bursting stabbed magus .... skillz brah But your ceo told everyone you would be a feeder corp and saying more snuff joined rdraw makes us trust you more how?? like there not going to give intel to thier old corpys
To be fair I also saw them in ecm burst punishers, it looked pretty high end |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1940
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Posted - 2016.06.14 01:52:46 -
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Just want to say, you ally with SNUFD for easy mode content for the most part. You fight SNUFD for higher end content. Just saying.
As for RDRAW being a feeder corp, i believe that was the exact language used in the internal RDRAW mail that announced the subjugation of RDRAW to SNUFD. |
Andre Vauban
Aideron Robotics
447
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Posted - 2016.06.14 12:32:38 -
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Super Chair wrote:*Popcorn*
SUPER CHAIR! I would say let's play LOL, but sadly we don't even seem to do that anymore.
MEOW!
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Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
168
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Posted - 2016.06.15 15:59:58 -
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It confuses me to hear a person justify attacking a war asset, admit that it is ultimately a general militia asset, complain that it didn't have to happen of the war wasn't going, and declare that we should drop the petty war dec to return to fighting our common enemy.
What part of snuff being, has been, and will be a common enemy don't you fellas understand? Also, I do remember losing a Guardian as a neutral party in this war after getting blapped by nightmares while I was out of cap. I wonder why that is. Though I'm sure you think it has nothing to do with your meddling. If you had attacked and made the Citadel vulnerable yourselves it would be different, but you join in like vultures to the carcasses of 'allies' that should get over themselves.
Wow, man. You really see things clearly! |
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.17 07:29:47 -
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Lets remember gents, bias is a two way street. |
Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
169
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Posted - 2016.06.17 15:48:10 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Lets remember gents, bias is a two way street.
And seeing everything as shades of grey means it doesn't matter what direction you go on any street.
RDRAW's hesitation to assist galmil operations in WZ related hostilities at the beginning of this conflict of interest flies in the face in their willingness--dare I say even smug--participation in aggression against militia pilots.
If we dissect the particular details of each case, the counter arguments of about apples and oranges begins to fall apart.
The kind of aggression one is willing to take part in or refuse tells the story better than I could, and says much more. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.17 19:38:01 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Lets remember gents, bias is a two way street. And seeing everything as shades of grey means it doesn't matter what direction you go on any street. RDRAW's hesitation to assist galmil operations in WZ related hostilities at the beginning of this conflict of interest flies in the face to their willingness--dare I say even smug--participation in aggression against militia pilots. If we dissect the particular details of each case, the counter arguments of apples and oranges begins to fall apart. The kind of aggression one is willing to take part in or refuse tells the story better than I could, and says much more.
So your opinion states. |
Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
169
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Posted - 2016.06.18 01:26:38 -
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If there's truth in it, it's a fact, is how I see opinions.
I believe history is on my side, and that we are not exactly debating a difference in taste, but a conviction of choices clearly taken. Betrayal and compromise are not ice cream flavors or a favorite color. Last time I checked. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.18 02:14:21 -
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The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it. |
Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
169
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Posted - 2016.06.18 05:10:45 -
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I don't need a philosopher or a politician to interpret where a man stands during a fight. He's either with me or against me. If he's not capable of fighting, let him stand back out of the way of those who will. If he is capable, but unwilling, who can ever call such a one brother? Of all his deeds, he will be remembered for the worst.
The rest of my brothers fight with me, whether the odds are in our favor or not. Together we eat and bleed and laugh. There is no question who they would fight with when the fire sweeps through and the war horn blows.
That is my opinion. I feel entitled only to what my words and actions bring me. May false friends be far from me. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.18 06:06:07 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:I don't need a philosopher or a politician to interpret where a man stands during a fight. He's either with me or against me. If he's not capable of fighting, let him stand back out of the way of those who will. If he is capable, but unwilling, who can ever call such a one brother? Of all his deeds, he will be remembered for the worst.
The rest of my brothers fight with me, whether the odds are in our favor or not. Together we eat and bleed and laugh. There is no question who they would fight with when the fire sweeps through and the war horn blows.
That is my opinion. I feel entitled only to what my words and actions bring me. May false friends be far from me.
So your opinion states. |
Dr darkside
Wolfsdragoon Batfone Appreciation Society
4
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Posted - 2016.06.18 07:22:54 -
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Dread Operative wrote: with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact).
In aivonen they booshed wolfs off the fight irc and he helped set up the bait to catch tishu |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4454
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Posted - 2016.06.18 10:05:10 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Oreb Wing wrote:I don't need a philosopher or a politician to interpret where a man stands during a fight. He's either with me or against me. If he's not capable of fighting, let him stand back out of the way of those who will. If he is capable, but unwilling, who can ever call such a one brother? Of all his deeds, he will be remembered for the worst.
The rest of my brothers fight with me, whether the odds are in our favor or not. Together we eat and bleed and laugh. There is no question who they would fight with when the fire sweeps through and the war horn blows.
That is my opinion. I feel entitled only to what my words and actions bring me. May false friends be far from me. So your opinion states. Would you be ok with RDRAW being perma-blue to Shadow Cartel?
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
620
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Posted - 2016.06.18 12:58:57 -
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Dread, you are completely ignoring that gal mil didn't shoot RDRAW in aivonen until they MJD'd off our FC (fact).
Dread Operative wrote:The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it.
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.18 16:18:05 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Dread, you are completely ignoring that gal mil didn't shoot RDRAW in Aivonen until they MJD'd off our FC (fact). Dread Operative wrote:The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it.
Please don't pretend I don't have the chat logs of you guys talking about it. Asking if we arranged blue with Rapid, and giggling because we didn't specify them. (PS that was our links you killed) |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.18 16:29:32 -
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Basically I am saying, is he who is without sin cast the first stone. We are all sinful, get over it already. |
Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
60
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Posted - 2016.06.18 22:35:44 -
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As I or anyone else who was there for that fight in Aivonen could tell you of course there was a lot of chatter about shootin rdraw but the fc ordered us not to and we did not. Until they boosted us, then it was open season. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2967
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Posted - 2016.06.19 16:19:57 -
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Wow Dread. You and PERUNGA seem to have more at stake in this war than anybody else.
This war has allowed us to still have something to shoot at while Minmatar take over the war zone. Pretty decent solution to an otherwise utterly boring phase of FW. Pretty sure RDRAW isn't terribly worried either.
OTOH, RDRAW you've seen us get "high end" content by temp-bluing Snuff a couple times now even though they are our "mortal enemies". It can be done, and it's easy. |
Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
344
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Posted - 2016.06.20 04:48:41 -
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Glad I have left that area, which seems to be the new "Great Salt Lake".
Wow...
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
40
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Posted - 2016.06.21 06:55:39 -
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having temp blue with Snuff i feel dirty now, all fault of Wolfs..... at least i shoot some suckers from waffles, so not so dirty anymore
(in earnest, in recent times every bigger fight in Black Rise seems to be a giant clusterfuck of everyone, thats a bit sad, no?) |
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
40
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Posted - 2016.06.21 06:56:51 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:having temp blue with Snuff i feel dirty now, all fault of Wolfs..... at least i shoot some suckers from waffles, so not so dirty anymore (in earnest, in recent times every bigger fight in Black Rise seems to be a giant clusterfuck of everyone, thats a bit sad, no? Nobody wants to be the REAL KING of Lowsex anymore? C'mon you can do better) |
Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
321
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Posted - 2016.06.21 09:39:01 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:having temp blue with Snuff i feel dirty now, all fault of Wolfs..... at least i shoot some suckers from waffles, so not so dirty anymore (in earnest, in recent times every bigger fight in Black Rise seems to be a giant clusterfuck of everyone, thats a bit sad, no? Nobody wants to be the REAL KING of Lowsex anymore? C'mon you can do better)
That would be scary and mean not blue'ing everyone and their mother. It also means not having to batphone everyone else you haven't permablue'ed. But that also means you might lose ships from time to time and that's just a big no-no in today's EvE
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ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
34
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Posted - 2016.06.21 15:09:17 -
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Dread Operative wrote:The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it.
Not fact
I have been a part of booster hunts that got stood down because it was a known rdraw booster with blue standing. This was before the war, we have accidentally killed blue ones that are not rdraw it can happen in busy systems, boosters die in seconds. |
Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
61
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Posted - 2016.06.21 15:57:22 -
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ivona fly wrote:Dread Operative wrote:The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it. Not fact I have been a part of booster hunts that got stood down because it was a known rdraw booster with blue standing. This was before the war, we have accidentally killed blue ones that are not rdraw it can happen in busy systems, boosters die in seconds.
Pre war we never hunted known RDRAW link Alts. Fact. We only shot rdraw after they boosted which the pilot who boosted us admitted to aiming at us later. Fact.
Saying fact after a statement doesn't mean it supersedes actual fact because you say it's fact. Fact. |
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