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Casandra Elise McIntire
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.09 23:52:28 -
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I was doing some testing on SiSi and decided to warp to a new location with my fighters and bombers in space. I wanted to see if they still follow in warp and get an idea for what to expect.
What happened next was almost the worst change to carriers in this expansion of questionable carrier changes. My fighters/bombers did in fact follow me, as I had assumed would happen. The bad thing was they landed 5,000 km from me.
That is 5 million meters. After sitting there spamming the MWD ability on them I started to realize just how bad this was about to be. So I started doing the math, and the numbers I found outright enraged me.
5 million meters at 542.64 m/s takes 9214.212 sec (153.57 min or 2.56 hrs)
Adjusting for perfect mwd usage gets:
max mwd travel dist - 54,264m in 20sec max non-mwd travel dist - 32558.4 in 60sec total dist covered per cycle - 86822.4 m in 80 sec or 1085.28 m/s
Thus meaning with perfect mwd cycles 5,000 km takes 4607.1 sec (76.79 min or 1.28 hrs)
So if you are willing to sit there and click a button exactly every 80 sec, 1 hr and 17 min later you can pick up your bombers (the fighters get in a bit faster).
There is absolutely no reason for this. If I left drones behind, I could just warp back and retrieve them in say 1 minute tops. Because the fighters/bombers always warp with you, this means you have no option but to wait an exorbitantly long time, even if you started slow boating towards them, it doesn't cut off much of that time either.
There is no reason for this massive amount of range difference when warping. It hopefully is a bug, though if it is not, then someone should really look into this and really have a good reason as to why players would be forcibly subjected to such a long wait.
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Always Shi
t Posting
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Posted - 2016.05.09 23:58:14 -
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Pro tip: the time passes much faster with cocaine |
d0cTeR9
Serenity Cartel Rebel Squad
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Posted - 2016.05.10 00:02:11 -
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I think QA fell short, again.
Been around since the beginning.
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Galaxxis
Unicorn Rampage
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Posted - 2016.05.10 01:01:18 -
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It's clearly a bug. They're supposed to land 50,000 km away, not 5,000 km. You should report this immediately. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.10 02:46:42 -
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Casandra Elise McIntire wrote:The bad thing was they landed 5,000 km from me. That is 5 million meters. Not 5 million metres. Oh no.
What's even worse is:
That's 500 million centimetres That's 5 billion millimetres That's 5 trillion micrometres; and That's 5 quadrillion nanometres.
Such tragedy.
Hmmm.
Hang on.
That's only 5 megametres.
Ok cool. Not so far after all. Disaster averted. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2016.05.10 05:46:41 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Casandra Elise McIntire wrote:The bad thing was they landed 5,000 km from me. That is 5 million meters. Not 5 million metres. Oh no. What's even worse is: That's 500 million centimetres That's 5 billion millimetres That's 5 trillion micrometres; and That's 5 quadrillion nanometres. Such tragedy. Hmmm. Hang on. That's only 5 megametres. Ok cool. Not so far after all. Disaster averted.
I demand furlongs and TeV/pound force. Something, you know, useful. |
Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.05.10 06:05:56 -
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I'm a big fan of quadrillions.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2016.05.10 06:09:09 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:I think QA fell short, again.
What QA? |
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2016.05.10 12:37:53 -
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Sustrai Aditua wrote:I'm a big fan of quadrillions.
I just people wouldn't give in to this pathetic Americanised bean-counter shorthand ans use proper maths!
No wonder the world is going to hell in a hand basket......
Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.10 12:46:31 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Casandra Elise McIntire wrote:The bad thing was they landed 5,000 km from me. That is 5 million meters. Not 5 million metres. Oh no. What's even worse is: That's 500 million centimetres That's 5 billion millimetres That's 5 trillion micrometres; and That's 5 quadrillion nanometres. Such tragedy. Hmmm. Hang on. That's only 5 megametres. Ok cool. Not so far after all. Disaster averted. I demand furlongs and TeV/pound force. Something, you know, useful.
24854.8 furlong 2699.784 Nautical miles 1.9685e+8 inches |
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1091
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Posted - 2016.05.10 14:15:29 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Casandra Elise McIntire wrote:The bad thing was they landed 5,000 km from me. That is 5 million meters. Not 5 million metres. Oh no. What's even worse is: That's 500 million centimetres That's 5 billion millimetres That's 5 trillion micrometres; and That's 5 quadrillion nanometres. Such tragedy. Hmmm. Hang on. That's only 5 megametres. Ok cool. Not so far after all. Disaster averted. I demand furlongs and TeV/pound force. Something, you know, useful. 24854.8 furlong 2699.784 Nautical miles 1.9685e+8 inches
But how many Pixels is that?
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
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Posted - 2016.05.10 17:17:53 -
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Could you not warp back to them?
Yes, it sounds like a bug. I'd think when you warp they should land on top of you.
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.05.10 18:11:28 -
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Doesn't it only take a second to deploy them after you call them back in?
You shouldn't be warping with them at all, in that context. Perhaps it is some stats related to the fighters themselves that resulted in the distant warp off. |
Galaxxis
Unicorn Rampage
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Posted - 2016.05.10 18:14:22 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote: I demand furlongs and TeV/pound force. Something, you know, useful.
It's because of jerks like you that the Mars Climate Orbiter crashed into the planet! |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
296
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Posted - 2016.05.10 19:27:02 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Casandra Elise McIntire wrote:The bad thing was they landed 5,000 km from me. That is 5 million meters. Not 5 million metres. Oh no. What's even worse is: That's 500 million centimetres That's 5 billion millimetres That's 5 trillion micrometres; and That's 5 quadrillion nanometres. Such tragedy. Hmmm. Hang on. That's only 5 megametres. Ok cool. Not so far after all. Disaster averted. whats that in pico femto and attometers?
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
409
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Posted - 2016.05.10 20:26:58 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote: whats that in pico femto and attometers?
5 quintillion picometres 5 sextillion femtometres 5 septillion attometres 5 octillion zeptometres 5 nonillion yoctometres
Now I know why the OP is complaining. Who wants to deal with yoctometres. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
296
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Posted - 2016.05.10 20:28:56 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote: whats that in pico femto and attometers?
5 quintillion picometres 5 sextillion femtometres 5 septillion attometres 5 octillion zeptometres 5 nonillion yoctometres Now I know why the OP is complaining. Who wants to deal with yoctometres. I'd forgotten about zepto and yocto.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
409
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Posted - 2016.05.10 20:33:58 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote: whats that in pico femto and attometers?
5 quintillion picometres 5 sextillion femtometres 5 septillion attometres 5 octillion zeptometres 5 nonillion yoctometres Now I know why the OP is complaining. Who wants to deal with yoctometres. I'd forgotten about zepto and yocto. Yeah, everyone forgets about poor zepto and yocto.
They're the poor cousins of the measurement family, despite having the best names. |
Casandra Elise McIntire
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.11 13:29:54 -
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Just wondering if CCP wanted to take a minute and comment on if this is an intended aspect or a mistake.
I still don't understand why carriers have such huge lock and control range, yet the inability to truly take advantage of such ranges in any real kind of situation.
I mean seriously, if these fighters can warp around a system in space, why can they not warp back to the carrier if over 150k-200K off? |
Ortus Maleficus
Lambent Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:50:47 -
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Some real high quality posts in this thread. |
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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:55:33 -
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Casandra Elise McIntire wrote:....................
I still don't understand why carriers have such huge lock and control range, yet the inability to truly take advantage of such ranges in any real kind of situation..................
I too have been wondering the same - but have currently concluded that they have been particularly concerned about making them extremely over-powered.
Firstly - these 'new' weapon systems are the first that can be used at anything over the 250km, or so, range bracket (I believe I'm right in thinking that nothing else can really go any further than that (some Citadel weapons up to 300km?))
Secondly - that they are also miniature ships (and I'm thinking Valkyrie) and have ship-like speed ranges although their base speeds are relatively fast when it comes to Cruisers and Frigates.
That said - when they are told to either go to a target that's over 150km away; or return to the Carrier from further than that - other ships can warp; why not them?
With the range issue - they don't necessarily have to be considered as able to return - given that they are possibly considered like 'ammo'
Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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Casandra Elise McIntire
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.05.11 17:32:02 -
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Marcus Tedric wrote:
With the range issue - they don't necessarily have to be considered as able to return - given that they are possibly considered like 'ammo'
Yes they are "more like ammo" with a major difference being price tag. While I like that they are more disposable than before, the cost is still a lot higher than most ammo out there. Being that faction Crystals for XL guns might be around the same price?
The big issue to me is in a dread or Titan if it is in lock range you can start doing dmg in a relatively short amount of time, basically just after locking your target. Where fighters and bombers have to move there then get persistent attacking. While that is a trade off for the persistent nature of the dmg, it also means they can be destroyed. I understand this balance issue, but at very long ranges, there needs to be an option to get the fighters/bombers into some kind of range that makes sense and doesn't require an obscene amount of time to do.
Even if it follows current mechanics like letting fighters warp to a fleet member, thus a current legal tactic that would be used by any other similar small ship (ie. frigates warping to assist tackle). |
Casandra Elise McIntire
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.05.13 05:12:43 -
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Really would love a CCP comment of either working as intended... or looking into this. If this is what is intended, then let us know so we can rebel, if not then let us know so Jita doesn't have to suffer. |
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