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Shy'la Nesthorn
Orbis Sphera
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:02:39 -
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So, I got this game about 4 days ago and have already gotten up to a cruiser. I decided since I've gotten a somewhat capable ship to try out heading into the fabled lowsec areas where CONCORD won't be able to save me, can't be that bad right? I pop into a .4 area and am immediately greeted by a battleship that fires at me killing my brand new shiny cruiser and then my capsule. Is this kinda gate camping common or was I just really unlucky?
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Cela Kashuken
New Jovian Exploration Department A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:14:51 -
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Tama is legendary for gate camping, though it can happen anywhere, even in high sec if you are flying blingy ships with no tank. |
Shy'la Nesthorn
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:16:31 -
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Cela Kashuken wrote:Tama is legendary for gate camping, though it can happen anywhere, even in high sec if you are flying blingy ships with no tank.
That's the exact sector it was, actually. I remember commenting on the name before flying through it.
Kinda unnerving hearing it can happen in highsec too, considering I AFK autopilot a lot.
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Raging Bull Unchained
Einheit X-6
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:21:10 -
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Also Amamake is camped quite regulary.
Still: if you come to lowsec to hunt npcs in belts be aware that you probably wont be alone for longer then 5 minutes ;). |
Johnathan Coffey
Niforce Triggers
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:22:46 -
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You shouldn't autopilot, especially if your ship's contents are worth more than a few hundred million. As for lowsec, it's usually the gates between high and low that are camped, especially tama, as it's very close to jita. That said, you may run into a gate camp pretty much anywhere if you're unlucky. The only thing that will save you is mental presence and the right ship.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:24:23 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Cela Kashuken wrote:Tama is legendary for gate camping, though it can happen anywhere, even in high sec if you are flying blingy ships with no tank. That's the exact sector it was, actually. I remember commenting on the name before flying through it. Kinda unnerving hearing it can happen in highsec too, considering I AFK autopilot a lot.
I would stop that autopilot tbh, its not the only place camps happen, most routes that lead to highsec from low are camped, use a frigate they are harder to catch if you want to look around
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Shy'la Nesthorn
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:33:11 -
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Lan Wang wrote: I would stop that autopilot tbh, its not the only place camps happen, most routes that lead to highsec from low are camped, use a frigate they are harder to catch if you want to look around
I only do it in highsec areas, but if that's unsafe too I'll probably stop.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:40:00 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Lan Wang wrote: I would stop that autopilot tbh, its not the only place camps happen, most routes that lead to highsec from low are camped, use a frigate they are harder to catch if you want to look around
I only do it in highsec areas, but if that's unsafe too I'll probably stop.
its probably worse in highsec
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Ralph King-Griffin
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:40:10 -
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auto piloting is an invitation to get shot in the face, its almost as likely to get you shot in the face as going to Tama for pve.
im not having a go at you mind , we all gota learn sometime, now you know.
Lan Wang wrote:Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Lan Wang wrote: I would stop that autopilot tbh, its not the only place camps happen, most routes that lead to highsec from low are camped, use a frigate they are harder to catch if you want to look around
I only do it in highsec areas, but if that's unsafe too I'll probably stop. its probably worse in highsec auto piloting in lowsec
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Johnathan Coffey
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:40:12 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Lan Wang wrote: I would stop that autopilot tbh, its not the only place camps happen, most routes that lead to highsec from low are camped, use a frigate they are harder to catch if you want to look around
I only do it in highsec areas, but if that's unsafe too I'll probably stop. There are people sitting on gates blowing up small ships and pods just to see if their victim had expensive implants. There are also "professional" gankers who will blow you up if your ship's modules and/or cargo are valuable enough. If you fly a cheap but sturdy ship, you are reasonably save, except for that one asshole who's had a bad day and decides to blow you up just because.
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Shy'la Nesthorn
Orbis Sphera
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:48:22 -
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Aren't highsec gates guarded by those concord battleships though? How do they get about not being destroyed by them if they attack a player near them. Like I was told if you attack a player in highsec you'll pretty much guaranteed to immediately be destroyed by concord
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Velarra
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:50:26 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:So, I got this game about 4 days ago and have already gotten up to a cruiser. I decided since I've gotten a somewhat capable ship to try out heading into the fabled lowsec areas where CONCORD won't be able to save me, can't be that bad right?
While cruisers are certainly more capable than frigates in general terms, i do notice your describing your progress to flying a cruiser as being something one gets 'up' to. As a suggestion, i'd consider looking at flying ships as something one moves over to, horizontally, rather than vertically. As a cruiser pilot you should be now able to fly both frigates & cruisers. Each class of ship have useful roles depending on their environment or the task you want to assign them.
The cruiser isn't strictly better than a frigate for all things, as much as the frigate better than a cruiser. Each is just different.
Further, CONCORD's role isn't actually to "save" you if you're attacked by other players. It's more there, to provide strong consequence for actions which it deems not permissible in "secured" space. At no time is it there to personally save you. |
Johnathan Coffey
Niforce Triggers
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:55:07 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Aren't highsec gates guarded by those concord battleships though? How do they get about not being destroyed by them if they attack a player near them. Like I was told if you attack a player in highsec you'll pretty much guaranteed to immediately be destroyed by concord CONCORD only shows up after 10 to 20 seconds (depending on system security). More than enough to blow you up, given the right equipment. The ships sitting at hisec gates are faction navy ships. They are a lot weaker than CONCORD and don't attack criminals but only hostile militia members (AFAIK).
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Shy'la Nesthorn
Orbis Sphera
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:57:06 -
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Velarra wrote: While cruisers are certainly more capable than frigates in general terms, i do notice your describing your progress to flying a cruiser as being something one gets 'up' to. As a suggestion, i'd consider looking at flying ships as something one moves over to, horizontally, rather than vertically. As a cruiser pilot you should be now able to fly both frigates & cruisers. Each class of ship have useful roles depending on their environment or the task you want to assign them.
I understand that, I meant more like, skill tree wise since you have to go through frigates and destroyers first.
Velarra wrote:Further, CONCORD's role isn't actually to "save" you if you're attacked by other players. It's more there, to provide strong consequence for actions which it deems not permissible in "secured" space. At no time is it there to personally save you.
And I understand that too, just meant as to why someone would bother blowing someone up in highsec if they'll get blown up shortly after themselves.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:58:37 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Aren't highsec gates guarded by those concord battleships though? How do they get about not being destroyed by them if they attack a player near them. Like I was told if you attack a player in highsec you'll pretty much guaranteed to immediately be destroyed by concord concord are punitive not preventative small but fundamental distinction, the security status of the system 1.0 - 0.5 determines how long it takes them to show up after an unlawful aggressive act has happened.
they are not there to keep you safe , they are there to inflict cost (ship loss) upon your aggressor .
if you make yourself an easy and/or profitable enough target , that cost will not matter.
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Shy'la Nesthorn
Orbis Sphera
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:59:16 -
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Johnathan Coffey wrote:Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Aren't highsec gates guarded by those concord battleships though? How do they get about not being destroyed by them if they attack a player near them. Like I was told if you attack a player in highsec you'll pretty much guaranteed to immediately be destroyed by concord CONCORD only shows up after 10 to 20 seconds (depending on system security). That's more than enough time to blow you up, given the right equipment. The ships sitting at hisec gates are faction navy ships. They are a lot weaker than CONCORD and don't attack criminals but only hostile militia members (AFAIK).
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Aren't highsec gates guarded by those concord battleships though? How do they get about not being destroyed by them if they attack a player near them. Like I was told if you attack a player in highsec you'll pretty much guaranteed to immediately be destroyed by concord concord are punitive not preventativesmall but fundamental distinction, the security status of the system 1.0 - 0.5 determines how long it takes them to show up after an unlawful aggressive act has happened. they are not there to keep you safe , they are there to inflict cost (ship loss) upon your aggressor . if you make yourself an easy and/or profitable enough target , that cost will not matter.
So basically, in short. No matter where I go I'm not safe from pvp
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Johnathan Coffey
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:59:49 -
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"Because they can" is often enough a good enough reason. Other than that, there are cheap ships with lots of damage, so that looting your wreck with an alt may still be profitable, even after losing their ships.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:59:54 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Johnathan Coffey wrote:Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Aren't highsec gates guarded by those concord battleships though? How do they get about not being destroyed by them if they attack a player near them. Like I was told if you attack a player in highsec you'll pretty much guaranteed to immediately be destroyed by concord CONCORD only shows up after 10 to 20 seconds (depending on system security). That's more than enough time to blow you up, given the right equipment. The ships sitting at hisec gates are faction navy ships. They are a lot weaker than CONCORD and don't attack criminals but only hostile militia members (AFAIK). So basically, in short. No matter where I go I'm not safe from pvp Bingo.
welcome to eve online.
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2016.05.11 16:04:07 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Kinda unnerving hearing it can happen in highsec too, considering I AFK autopilot a lot. Never do that.
As for lowsec, don't think of combat there as ganking. Lowsec is where people go to look for fights. If you are there, you are "fair game" and don't expect people to fight fairly.
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ShahFluffers
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Posted - 2016.05.11 16:04:13 -
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Some general rules of thumb:
- don't take the shortest or most trafficked route. While this may make some deep, dark ancestral instinct in the back of your head recoil (because a lot of people are disposed to "stay and travel where other people are"), you need to find routes and systems that see little traffic. This will often add 3 to 7+ jumps to your journey, but it is often worthwhile.
- auto-pilot is not your friend. In high-sec, you can get away with auto-piloting... provided you are in a stupidly cheap ship that you would not mind losing or you are in a SUPER tanked ship that isn't carrying anything of real value. Outside of high-sec, auto-piloting is a virtual death sentence.
- when in doubt, burn back to gate. This is where Microwarpdrives are very handy. If you jump into a gatecamp, stay calm. Find the stargate you came from, then quickly move towards it with your MWD activated. Jump through as soon as you are able. Do not use drones, or any offense module in any way (for this will create an aggression timer that will prevent you from jumping).
- gankers are people too! If you have a sense of humor and some okay people's skills, try talking with the people who killed you. Ask them how to avoid their firepower or defend yourself. More often than not, you will be surprised by the answers they give.
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Johnathan Coffey
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Posted - 2016.05.11 16:09:59 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:- when in doubt, burn back to gate. This is where Microwarpdrives are very handy. I recently lost a ~4bil pod because i had an MWD instead of AB :( Sad days.
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Shy'la Nesthorn
Orbis Sphera
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Posted - 2016.05.11 16:15:00 -
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Anyways, thanks for the information. I'll probably avoid doing the courier contracts like I had been planning on doing and just stick with combat stuff. Kinda upsetting the pvp isn't as optional as I thought
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.11 16:17:54 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Kinda upsetting the pvp isn't as optional as I thought thats one of the defining features of eve and one of the corner stones of the game economy so do not expect that to change.
Better the Devil you know.
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Shy'la Nesthorn
Orbis Sphera
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Posted - 2016.05.11 16:44:28 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Kinda upsetting the pvp isn't as optional as I thought thats one of the defining features of eve and one of the corner stones of the game economy so do not expect that to change.
Oh, I'm not complaining or anything. Just was told it was different is all.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.05.11 17:50:22 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Kinda upsetting the pvp isn't as optional as I thought.
The PVP is pretty optional, though you're right it's not as optional as other MMO's where you can keep the flag off and nobody will bother you.
But you do have options for avoidance (mentioned in this thread): - don't fly afk, don't fly on autopilot - don't go into popular PVP areas like Kama - use the best tanked ship - consider the value of your cargo vs. how easily your ship can be one-shotted - get familiar with the high sec / low sec combat flags and engagement rules - unclutter your overview to show you critical information - use a scout to check the route ahead of your valuable transport - read up on the various scams and dangers
Otherwise, yeah, EVE is an unrestricted PVP game, and more importantly it absolutely relies on ships being destroyed to function. Otherwise you just accumulate ISK and ships and they never get destroyed, so you get rich and bored. And once you get bored you realize that the "rich" part is just pixels that you don't own and CCP could shut down the server at any time, so why bother.
Anyway, rather than avoiding PVP, try it. Everyone says that's where the fun is because that's where the fun is. Playing EVE for its PVE is like playing WoW for its farmville emulation, or as a flight simulator. |
Lan Wang
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Posted - 2016.05.11 17:52:43 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Anyways, thanks for the information. I'll probably avoid doing the courier contracts like I had been planning on doing and just stick with combat stuff. Kinda upsetting the pvp isn't as optional as I thought
pvp has 2 options, fight or run, you decide which one you do, however both options require a certain amount of skill
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Iria Ahrens
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Posted - 2016.05.11 19:33:43 -
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DeMichael Crimson
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Posted - 2016.05.11 21:49:01 -
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Memphis Baas wrote: Anyway, rather than avoiding PVP, try it. Everyone says that's where the fun is because that's where the fun is. Playing EVE for its PVE is like playing WoW for its farmville emulation, or as a flight simulator.
Actually you can play this game and rarely ever have your ship get involved in PvP combat.
I play Eve for it's PvE content. As an explorer and mission runner, there's a lot of PvE content available to enjoy without engaging in ship PvP. When I'm asked if I do PvP, I always say I do Stealth PvP, meaning I hide while they seek. Yeah, have cloak, will travel.
The trick to being safe is to play smart. Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance. In my 8 years of playing this game I've had over a dozen gank attempts done on my ships, only 1 gank attempt was successful, 1/2 dozen Battleships surprised me at a hacking site, unleashed their Drones and within a couple of minutes sent me to my medical clone,
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Netan MalDoran
Last Garrison
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Posted - 2016.05.11 22:00:49 -
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OP, learn to prescout gates first, I have one account, but still swap between a scout alt and my main when hauling through null. As far as traffic goes, if you just want pve, then look into lowsec regions that are not faction warfare zones, they can be quite empty of people. But there may still be the occasional pirate gang. But if you want to PvP, fw zones are one of the best IMO!
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Solonius Rex
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Posted - 2016.05.11 23:45:47 -
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Shy'la Nesthorn wrote:Velarra wrote:Further, CONCORD's role isn't actually to "save" you if you're attacked by other players. It's more there, to provide strong consequence for actions which it deems not permissible in "secured" space. At no time is it there to personally save you. And I understand that too, just meant as to why someone would bother blowing someone up in highsec if they'll get blown up shortly after themselves.
For many reasons.
They may have an alt in a cargo ship ready to scoop the loot you drop, which can sometimes be in the billions of isk. Losing a 30 million ISK ship to get a billion ISK is pretty good, don't you think?
They may just be doing it for the killmails and the tears. Some people get really salty and angry when they lose a ship worth billions, which can provide some entertainment.
They use cheap ships so losing them is not a problem. |
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