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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:04:00 -
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(epic thread rez)
Seems that the Caldari are not so fail as a few months ago. I'm seeing them regularly come out and fight now, even winning a few engagements here and there. I also heard that some sort of Alliance joined the squids? If so that's good news for moar fights!!! -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
151
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:59:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:(epic thread rez)
Seems that the Caldari are not so fail as a few months ago. I'm seeing them regularly come out and fight now, even winning a few engagements here and there. I also heard that some sort of Alliance joined the squids? If so that's good news for moar fights!!!
Raven federation joined up. They were semi active in syndicate a few months ago but now it seems they have all but died and came back to empire to rebuild. Probably wont be seeing much of them for a while. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:32:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote:One consistent complaint I've heard from varying CalMil pilots over the past year is that they lack cohesive, reliable intel. Even when CalMil was very active earlier this year, it seemed as if each of their corporations was doing something different, and not passing intel between each other. This is something we exploited a lot.
For all of the things GalMil does wrong (and believe me, we derp a lot), one thing we tend to do right is communication. We have shared and mostly-reliable intel channels as well as readily-accessible voice comms with varying levels of security. In addition, we generally have a culture of friendly competition where it's not unusual or suspicious for the member of one corp to drop into another corp's comms just to chat. As a result, we often join each others' roams and our fleets tend to coordinate and exchange intel.
Good communication gets you the following benefits:
- Targets. It's much, much easier to PvP if you know where to go to pew pew. - Numbers. If a target is too heavy / too numerous for you, there are often pilots around willing to fleet up and even the odds. - Support. If you run into unexpected trouble, a fight turns sour, or a falcon uncloaks, there's often a few pilots in the area available to help. - Evading gatecamps and gank attempts.
Now, there is drama that comes up sometimes. Personality clashes are inevitable. But by and large, GalMil has a rather strong and friendly community between its major corps.
When we flipped Enaluri, one of the complaints a CalMil pilot voiced in local was Gallente reliance on 'blobs' and dirty spying tactics. Speaking from a personal perspective, I've never had access to spy data during PvP. Our FC at the time, one of the more well-known ones in GalMil, was also ignorant of any infiltration by us in CalMil's channels.
In battle, it's easy to mistake an enemy's penchant for having the right numbers at the right place to leaked intel or the presence of spies. I think we really are just better coordinated.
In short, my advice is this:
- If you fear spies too much, you'll never develop a relaxed community of PvP-centric pilots. Who gives good intel versus who gives bad intel can be ascertained quickly enough. And making that judgment call is a small price to pay for having reliable intel channels.
- FW corps can (and do) go it alone, but good things can come from working with others. Splintering into a multitude of corps in FW is inevitable due to personality clashes, time zone variation, small gang versus fleet roamers, and differing interests. But there's a world of difference between a bunch of isolated corps, and a community of people at least loosely working together.
Having just re-joined FW I can confirm you are spot on. Intel and fear of spys (which is due to lack of intel imo) is a major problem. Intel sharing is non-existent between 90% of FW corps. It's very difficult to get a straight answer to anything from anyone. New players are excluded to the point of boredom and leave.
Then when you add that the Gallente are very well organized and have well organized and experienced corps + from what I am hearing too many Caldari are in Amarr space = perfect recipe for us to be fail atm.
Many people don't get along for no reason other than trying to act tough in chat - In game I possibly chat/joke around more with Gallente militia - they are generally friendlier than the Caldari Militia.
Can't spell crap without rap. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
151
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:00:00 -
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Gal mil has its problems too. Last year a small, new corp joined the gallente militia and they were trying to diplo their way into intel channels or something. I was a member of gal mil at the time and I just remember everyone except chatgris (who tried to actually talk to them, but made the mistake of inviting everyone else into the convo) trolling these guys to the point where they got mad and wardecced a gal corp and tried to bash their POSes
Nowdays I think there is just tension between SLAPD and other gallente corps |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
98
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:37:00 -
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I think you guys over estimate any fear of spys Cal has TBH. I don't think many Caldari are really that concerned about them giving out intel. Most so called Gal spys are just trolls that do nothing but post dumb links in Militia chat or generally just try to annoy people.
It's not like any "secret" plans about anything wouldn't get leaked out anyway, if there were any super secret plans to do anything really super secret. I think when most Caldari say much about spys it's usually just about the Gal alts that seem to spend most of their play time trolling in Cal Militia.
As far as Caldari not being overly organized, I think it's more because there are many groups that want to do different things.. Where as Gallente tend to mostly want to blob around 4 or 5 systems all day.
Caldari on other hand seem to be split up into various groups that tend to focus on their own things..
You have the 1MC guys and their friends whom tend to stay in Hysera and do a lot of piracy, then you have the Enal guys that seem to try to fight Gal gangs, but honestly just don't have the numbers to compete head to head. Then you have station games from Hidden Snakes group in Rakapass, although they seem to be venturing into other near by systems lately and last but not least you have the PLEX guys that tend to do do a lot of plexing.
So IMO reason Caldari isn't working as closely together as say Gals do is because each group kinda does what it's interested in. Just because these groups don't always blob around together, doesn't mean they don't work with one another or communicate. It's just most are focused on doing their own things.
Something else to consider, is Caldari has actually put more kills on the KB than Gallente has in Feb so far, so it's not like Caldari are fail or not active, it's just we do a lot of other stuff besides fight Gallente. |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
6
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Posted - 2012.02.16 13:42:00 -
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The killboard is broken. It does not count kills by alliance members in FW. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
37
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:01:00 -
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^^ what Andre said.
Majority of the Gallente corps are now in an alliance of one form or another which has borked the eve-kill boards.
And re spies I think the majority of people on either side stopped worrying / focussing on them a long time ago.
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Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
23
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:23:00 -
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Yeah need to add about 1500 kills to our total from VA and Drunk and Disorderly and 400 or so should be added to the Caldari side for the few alliances that you have.
Mutnin wrote: Something else to consider, is Caldari has actually put more kills on the KB than Gallente has in Feb so far, so it's not like Caldari are fail or not active, it's just we do a lot of other stuff besides fight Gallente.
Is sexy time? |
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:46:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:.....then you have the Enal guys that seem to try to fight Gal gangs, but honestly just don't have the numbers to compete head to head.....
Interesting thing..... In recent action around Pavanakka, the squids either fight 1 on 1, blob like crazy or when GalMil appears with roughly even numbers, they run like little girls when Pedobear appears. 12 people in fleet not on one occasion does not seem as a small number. Maybe I have limited information (I'm not always online, you know) OR you are pulling nonsense out of your butt.
OK, to be fair, sometimes, we make even bigger blob mostly cause by enthusiasm, but the last two same-sized Pavanakka fleets I was in ended in Tama trying to bait the pies instead, beacause Caldari docked. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
131
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:59:00 -
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Bottom line: USTZ war is pretty much over. The "Battle of Tama" in January 2011 lead by chatgris was great fun and all, but IMO it was the last straw that helped First General decide to leave the area and never return. My guess is that the last thing he wanted to hear from Oppon's Pull was "We had fun!". KB stats and all that. With WBR poaching many of the veteran pilots of the Caldari militia, there wasn't, and isn't a core group of Caldari pilots that could build up the TZ.
The remaining USTZ Caldari FW pilots (lead by THE4) have been slowly losing the war of attrition to USTZ Gallente FW. THE4 was their last best hope, but it seems to have finally disintigrated or moved on to another secret location further "north" in Black Rise.
There are occasional "uprisings" such as the beginning of this month of fast and furious plex fighting, but they are squashed because of overwhelming numbers/higher skilled pilots/better morale. Bolsterbomb and Super Chair can only convince pilots to go head on into their sure deaths only so many times before they find something more interesting to do with their game time. Partial victories here and there are great, but my guess is their pilots want to win more often than they currently are. The USTZ Caldari are adapting and going more "guerilla tactics" in their plex fighting - and they are having some fun with it. But their numbers are low, and at any point they can get easily roflblobbed (almost by accident - I'm amazed at how many guys we have show up when intel is given). Our guys adjust fittings as well, so their success with new tactics is oftentimes brief and they are always under pressure to adjust. A few guys like Super Chair have fun with this type of warfare, but I suspect most of them don't.
IMO, The USTZ Gallente-Caldari part of FW heat up again only when a large USTZ corporation or alliance joins Caldari FW. This is because nobody in USTZ Gallente FW is going anywhere. This is our Eve home (which is the main difference, IMO. There aren't enough USTZ Caldari who consider FW their Eve home). There just aren't enough numbers of Caldari to compete, and their momentum gets crushed before they can build up any critical mass of good pilots.
On the other hand, I hear Caldari EUTZ presence is pretty good. There are several corporations who are fairly strong such as IGB, and BRGF and they are doing quite well from what I see on kbs. SOTF is regularly leading the Gallente in FW kils, so they have plenty of targets to go after during their TZ. |
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GF07M8
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:37:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bottom line: USTZ war is pretty much over. The "Battle of Tama" in January 2011 lead by chatgris was great fun and all, but IMO it was the last straw that helped First General decide to leave the area and never return. My guess is that the last thing he wanted to hear from Oppon's Pull was "We had fun!". KB stats and all that. With WBR poaching many of the veteran pilots of the Caldari militia, there wasn't, and isn't a core group of Caldari pilots that could build up the TZ.
The remaining USTZ Caldari FW pilots (lead by THE4) have been slowly losing the war of attrition to USTZ Gallente FW. THE4 was their last best hope, but it seems to have finally disintigrated or moved on to another secret location further "north" in Black Rise.
There are occasional "uprisings" such as the beginning of this month of fast and furious plex fighting, but they are squashed because of overwhelming numbers/higher skilled pilots/better morale. Bolsterbomb and Super Chair can only convince pilots to go head on into their sure deaths only so many times before they find something more interesting to do with their game time. Partial victories here and there are great, but my guess is their pilots want to win more often than they currently are. The USTZ Caldari are adapting and going more "guerilla tactics" in their plex fighting - and they are having some fun with it. But their numbers are low, and at any point they can get easily roflblobbed (almost by accident - I'm amazed at how many guys we have show up when intel is given). Our guys adjust fittings as well, so their success with new tactics is oftentimes brief and they are always under pressure to adjust. A few guys like Super Chair have fun with this type of warfare, but I suspect most of them don't.
IMO, The USTZ Gallente-Caldari part of FW heat up again only when a large USTZ corporation or alliance joins Caldari FW. This is because nobody in USTZ Gallente FW is going anywhere. This is our Eve home (which is the main difference, IMO. There aren't enough USTZ Caldari who consider FW their Eve home). There just aren't enough numbers of Caldari to compete, and their momentum gets crushed before they can build up any critical mass of good pilots.
On the other hand, I hear Caldari EUTZ presence is pretty good. There are several corporations who are fairly strong such as IGB, and BRGF and they are doing quite well from what I see on kbs. SOTF is regularly leading the Gallente in FW kils, so they have plenty of targets to go after during their TZ.
Fits what I have experienced of the USTZ from cal side. I could only PLEX so much for "fights," aka curbstomp-rolls from 3-4 to 1 odds against us where we had to roll up in as much ecm as possible just to try and hang on a little while. It might be an amusing challenge to some, but when there are a lot of pvp alternatives Calmil just looks hopeless by comparison. It has become essentially a place to throw away cheap insurable ships for the thrill of fighting outnumbered all the time and with pilots who usually aren't anywhere near as skilled or disciplined as opponents.
Anyone who wants to pick up the USTZ will need not just organization and plenty of mid-high sp followers, but also a willingness to commit and loose much more expensive ships on a regular basis until the huddled masses of calmil grow into some better guns. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone willing to do that. Most of the Cal aligned RP'ers are strong carebears. Most of the alliances sympathetic to the calmil are too far away from the warzone to have an impact without causing problems at home.
At the end of the day, critical mass has already been achieved. Gal will preside over USTZ indefinitely, getting token fights and having very little to do until they disperse or have a few more prominent defectors to even the odds. Ofc that assumes the gal actually want a more even-handed arena for "good fights." If that is not the case I don't think calmil has any future except LP farmers and the occasional pirate.
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
134
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:38:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote: IMO, The USTZ Gallente-Caldari part of FW heat up again only when a large USTZ corporation or alliance joins Caldari FW.
QFT
Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Garbad theWeak
64
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:43:00 -
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Posting so I can unsubscribe from a ******** thread. Seriously, you people have been spamming this for like 2 months. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
151
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:55:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Super Chair can only convince pilots to go head on into their sure deaths only so many times before they find something more interesting to do with their game time.
Or I can just keep killing you guys, i'm not going anywhere
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12409371
It's amazing what a well timed warp does against a bigger gang trying to enter a plex can do
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12399205
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12381131
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
98
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:26:00 -
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Desra Mascani wrote:Mutnin wrote:.....then you have the Enal guys that seem to try to fight Gal gangs, but honestly just don't have the numbers to compete head to head..... Interesting thing..... In recent action around Pavanakka, the squids either fight 1 on 1, blob like crazy or when GalMil appears with roughly even numbers, they run like little girls when Pedobear appears. 12 people in fleet not on one occasion does not seem as a small number. Maybe I have limited information (I'm not always online, you know) OR you are pulling nonsense out of your butt. OK, to be fair, sometimes, we make even bigger blob mostly cause by enthusiasm, but the last two same-sized Pavanakka fleets I was in ended in Tama trying to bait the pies instead, beacause Caldari docked.
Well I don't usually join the Cal gangs, but when I have I've yet to ever sere Caldari out numbering Gallente, so I'm really not going to take your claims seriously. Most likely what happens in these "rare" time where Caldari maybe out numbered you just once or twice was they were likely in Frigs and Cruisers and you guys ran back to your station to "ship up" like you always do then complain you get no fight.
I know last time I joined up with Caldari gang was when you guys were about to flip Pav. We had a gang full of T1 cruisers with I think 2 BCs and a bunch of dessies. That was far too much for you Gals whom already out numbered us to fight, so you guys went back and reshipped into pretty much all BCs. I remember counting more Drakes from you guys gang than we even had members in our fleet.
So please lets not talk about unicorn & rainbow stories as most of us know that Caldari rarely if ever out numbers Gal fleets these days and if they do it's certain you guys have already ran back to station to reship to make up for that 1 extra Thrasher Caldari had on their side.
As for the KB thing, I wasn't aware of the alliance issue. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
134
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:26:00 -
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I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad sign, but the top Caldari corp killer for February is The State with 200+ kills
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1295&view=corp_kills&m=02&y=2012
Compare this to Gallente, where FDU is ranked 10th with 51 kills http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1330&view=corp_kills&m=02&y=2012
TLF for Minnie is ranked 2nd with 154 kills http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1285&view=corp_kills&m=02&y=2012
24thIC for Amarr is ranked 9th with 106 kills http://amarr.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1462&view=corp_kills&m=02&y=2012
This to me, suggest there are tons of Caldari pilots who are waiting to be recruited by a corp. Certainly an opportunity there for various Caldari corps? Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
98
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:41:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad sign, but the top Caldari corp killer for February is The State with 200+ kills
This to me, suggest there are tons of Caldari pilots who are waiting to be recruited by a corp. Certainly an opportunity there for various Caldari corps?
Our corp have taken on as many as we can, but it's a hell of a lot of work to train new guys and can be very frustrating at times as well. Most corps are are too tied up with their KB to take on a lot of new players that trash their l33t KB stats. I know ours is absolutely horrible looking at this point, even though I know lots of new guys are going to lose tons of ships and not kill much in return it's still very frustrating, so I can't blame corps not wanting to recruit a lot of newer guys TBH. |
OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:15:00 -
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I'm curious how FW works. Never done it, never seen it action before. How does it work? Join a Militia and then what ? Is it like the incursion channel? "Have xxxx fitted ship looking for a fleet" for example? " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:44:00 -
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OldMan Gana wrote:I'm curious how FW works. Never done it, never seen it action before. How does it work? Join a Militia and then what ? Is it like the incursion channel? "Have xxxx fitted ship looking for a fleet" for example?
It really just a free war dec. Join - look for flashing stuff on overview and shoot it.
There are a few other advantages like the LP store and standing for your faction are easy to earn. The LP store is however losing it's value due to excessive LP farming at the moment.
Navy Scorps will be cheaper then ROKH soon if the current trend continues.
FW info
I recommend reading Damars FW plexing guide too. A few things may have changed since he wrote it but it should still be very useful. wtf - why won't signatures delete? |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
94
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Posted - 2012.02.17 12:37:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad sign, but the top Caldari corp killer for February is The State with 200+ kills
This to me, suggest there are tons of Caldari pilots who are waiting to be recruited by a corp. Certainly an opportunity there for various Caldari corps? Our corp have taken on as many as we can, but it's a hell of a lot of work to train new guys and can be very frustrating at times as well. Most corps are are too tied up with their KB to take on a lot of new players that trash their l33t KB stats. I know ours is absolutely horrible looking at this point, even though I know lots of new guys are going to lose tons of ships and not kill much in return it's still very frustrating, so I can't blame corps not wanting to recruit a lot of newer guys TBH. cough cough ... was allways problem of Cali .... we fixing the problem ... 257 kills in 12 active pilots
IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
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Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
23
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:48:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote: cough cough ... was allways problem of Cali .... we fixing the problem ... 257 kills in 12 active pilots
Is sexy time? |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
140
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Posted - 2012.02.19 07:07:00 -
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GF07M8 wrote:Ofc that assumes the gal actually want a more even-handed arena for "good fights." If that is not the case I don't think calmil has any future except LP farmers and the occasional pirate.
They dont. That has been quite clear since start of the faction war. And when things dont go they way they resort to rl death deaths, forum trolling and evemail spamming campaigns where bulk of their militia corps take part. |
Beshnu
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.02.20 21:35:00 -
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What have I missed since I've been gone?
It looks like no one is having any fun with this game anymore. Or did a majority of you forget its a game?
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Tentaki
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
4
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Posted - 2012.02.20 23:46:00 -
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Beshnu wrote:What have I missed since I've been gone?
It looks like no one is having any fun with this game anymore. Or did a majority of you forget its a game?
confirming you are asking this subsequent to a damar post. |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
9
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:18:00 -
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DEATH DEATHS!! |
Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
10
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:38:00 -
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SLAPD - Corp Janitor |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
140
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:46:00 -
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Beshnu wrote:Or did a majority of you forget its a game?
If you look at how corps operate, most succesful people would descripe eve as "second job you have to pay for". So no, it's not really fun. Hell, only reason I log into game is to shoot at r-tards (Chatgris, Seriphyn, Val Erian, Gallactica, etc.) who figured it would nice to send death threats. evemail spam and pedophile accusations over a god damn video game. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
36
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:51:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Beshnu wrote:Or did a majority of you forget its a game? If you look at how corps operate, most succesful people would descripe eve as "second job you have to pay for". So no, it's not really fun. Hell, only reason I log into game is to shoot at r-tards (Chatgris, Seriphyn, Val Erian, Gallactica, etc.) who figured it would nice to send death threats. evemail spam and pedophile accusations over a god damn video game.
and yet you still live and are not in jail..... -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
140
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:56:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:and yet you still live and are not in jail.....
Which must annoy you a great deal... |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
49
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:33:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Beshnu wrote:Or did a majority of you forget its a game? If you look at how corps operate, most succesful people would descripe eve as "second job you have to pay for". So no, it's not really fun. Hell, only reason I log into game is to shoot at r-tards (Chatgris, Seriphyn, Val Erian, Gallactica, etc.) who figured it would nice to send death threats. evemail spam and pedophile accusations over a god damn video game.
Wooooooah, backup Kimosabi - I've never once said anything of the sort.
For once in your life stop acting like a whiny, silly little boy. |
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