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Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.12.19 22:47:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote: Anyways, it's a militia, not a dictatorial alliance. Dictators gather up a bunch of players under their corp banner and then bail on their militia for greener pastures, so in the end your militia is better off without them. Quoted for truth. Too many times have Caldari pilots have been fooled by smooth talking FC/CEO's into leaving CaldariFW. Only to come back into FW more bitter about eve in general since before they left FW.
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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.19 23:15:00 -
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FG brings WBR home and that's 90% of your problem sorted.
We are very lucky tbh in that weve had our problems, emo, falling outs, butthurtness etc etc but you know what 95% of the corps in Gallente tend respect that we don't always get on, respect the fact that we dont have people trying to lead everyone, that we dont get butthurt when corps have times doing there own thing and pretty much have the best comradary between us since day 1.
Or maybe I'm just drunk and missing playing much recently! |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
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Posted - 2011.12.19 23:22:00 -
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My new corps application goes into the Caldari milita tomorrow... Holy christ these forums are terribad!
It doesn't look like I myself will make it tomorrow.. still getting sec status down. But my alts are all +5 and +1 to Caldari now .. many tutorials, circles, tags sold and cosmos mission run to tone down my -7 \0/ A quick sell of tags once I can get back into empire should balance out!
Let me make this clear... I ain't joining the Caldari to become a leader, I just want to ask for X's and take the spies out for a run, where we will die in a fire, but once in a while we will win a few. And hopefully people will then be more happy to come on an evil synns roam.
I know there are many Gallente that would love to have a dance party around an evil synns corpse, don't worry you will certainly have many to go around in a few weeks (remind me to jump out of my implants first)!
A good FC works with the ships and pilots he's got, not what he wishes he had!
I am looking forward to fighting some of the pilots I trained. Not in "classes" but by leading others in fights, winning or losing, writing AAR's so people can learn why I ****** up, why they ****** up and where is the **** up!
Will the caldari get any better? I really doubt it! Will I fly with others.. I always did! Did I check the WOLFY ego at the door? Nope! I and the Caldari Milita are not here to play your game.. we are here to play OUR game.. and if that means blue balling you, fighting as cloaky fags, running from a fight we can't win...
THEN I WILL DRINK YOUR TEARS! and you will have been playing my game.. and I can't lose at that!
Roll on the weekend... FIGHT
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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.19 23:31:00 -
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Umm it's Xmas this weekend Evil....
Only sad ******* who are off work and will playing when there kids are in bed.......bring it on! :) |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
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Posted - 2011.12.19 23:34:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:Umm it's Xmas this weekend Evil....
Only sad ******* who are off work and will playing when there kids are in bed.......bring it on! :)
EXACTLY! The wee swine will be playing his new Xbox games... so Daddy will just have to go upstaris and kill gallentes... He understands.. He hates the Gallente too.. He's always hated plexers! |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade
5
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Posted - 2011.12.20 00:15:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:FG brings WBR home and that's 90% of your problem sorted.
We are very lucky tbh in that weve had our problems, emo, falling outs, butthurtness etc etc but you know what 95% of the corps in Gallente tend respect that we don't always get on, respect the fact that we dont have people trying to lead everyone, that we dont get butthurt when corps have times doing there own thing and pretty much have the best comradary between us since day 1.
Or maybe I'm just drunk and missing playing much recently!
drunk Gall best Gall <3
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:20:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:To be a leader one must have a strict fleet doctrine to follow and impose on his fleet members. The problem with general militia fleets and a good number of people flying in militia in general is that they lack order and discipline.
LOL, one of the strengths of our militia is the lack of order and discipline when running fleets. The ability to think outside the box and not hit "F1" comes in handy sometimes, and besides, sometimes you gotta have some fun. After a while, the guys pick up on "organized, disorganization" and the result is some great, fun fights.
^ this mentality is what made the Minmatar LateNite group so successful. More people should fly like this, optimal blend of fun and victory. \o/ |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.20 02:28:00 -
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Not-a-fleet-fleet FTW. 5-10 people spread out within a few jumps flying whothehellknowswhat always makes for interesting fights! |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
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Posted - 2011.12.20 03:21:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:Not-a-fleet-fleet FTW. 5-10 people spread out within a few jumps flying whothehellknowswhat always makes for interesting fights!
This pretty much sums up my experience in qcats, there were formal mode fleets and then there was chatgris yelling in comms that he had a shiny ship pointed 5 jumps away and everyone converges |
Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.12.20 04:22:00 -
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Forums are fun. I'm contributing!
All I know is most of the guys I flew with 1.5 years ago are either in Amarr, in Gallente, or in 0.0. Those that are still there are online less often than they used to be (like me). Such is the life of the space warrior.
New blood should and will take over, because the old blood is gone :)
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GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.20 04:45:00 -
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He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response. |
Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.12.20 05:05:00 -
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GavinGoodrich wrote:He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response.
So have I and a lot of other people. Its a game, if you don't enjoy playing it you have the right to change how you play. I don't think that's a good enough reason to join the opposing side and start a forum topic about why your old side was fail though...leave the forums be :P
I like DNL, so I was wondering what went bad. If all it is, is CalMil burn out, then god speed to you homie. May the space lanes be kind to you. I'll see you in a few months when you're purple again.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
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Posted - 2011.12.20 05:26:00 -
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Dark Pangolin wrote:So have I and a lot of other people. Its a game, if you don't enjoy playing it you have the right to change how you play. I don't think that's a good enough reason to join the opposing side and start a forum topic about why your old side was fail though...leave the forums be
I seem to recall he once said he was in militia just to recruit for 0,0 (If it was someone else, correct me).
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Stalking Mantis
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.12.20 05:53:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gallactica wrote:FG brings WBR home and that's 90% of your problem sorted.
We are very lucky tbh in that weve had our problems, emo, falling outs, butthurtness etc etc but you know what 95% of the corps in Gallente tend respect that we don't always get on, respect the fact that we dont have people trying to lead everyone, that we dont get butthurt when corps have times doing there own thing and pretty much have the best comradary between us since day 1.
Or maybe I'm just drunk and missing playing much recently! drunk Gall best Gall <3 xoxoxox
You two should just get a room |
Stalking Mantis
Wolfsbrigade
105
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Posted - 2011.12.20 05:55:00 -
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GavinGoodrich wrote:He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response.
Sad really. Let this be a lesson to anyone aspiring to become more than an 'x' in militia chat, you will be challenged, you will see dark times, do not just raise your hands up and leave at the first sign of adversity. Because nothing will come easy and adversity will be a constant in your rise.
I learned this the hard way when WBR was faced with adversity I tried and tried then up and left. Others up and leave to the opposing militia thinking the grass is greener there (psst it is'nt). Lessons learned. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.12.20 06:48:00 -
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Well, the true problem with the Caldari Militia is the attitude of most of its members, as exemplified by pretty much anyone in the militia who posts on these forums besides Gavin and members of Four Horsemen. You fix that and you'll be golden. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.12.20 07:33:00 -
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GavinGoodrich wrote:He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response.
He wouldn't be the first to learn that lesson.. I own http://www.factionwarfare.com/ and I tried 2 different times to start a information portal for FW on that site. I set up free forums for each Militia as well as free KB's all having unique themes for each Militia. Was also offering Militia corps private forums.
The first time I tried while I was in Minmatar I wrote a lot of fitting guides and made several skill plans for newer players to help them get started. You know that stuff that gets asked 100s of times daily in each Militia. I also was trying to set up a joint KB to have accurate stats across all 4 Militias at one place.
I ended up with 2 guys posting a few helpful guides but other than that got no support from FW members.
I tried again when I joined Caldari.. This was even b4 we had the KB loss I tried to set the site up as a unified KB and couldn't even get the major Caldari corps at the time to help support by adding their APIs.. So after that I wasn't going to bother with redoing any of the guides I had done the first go around and the site has sat there since.
My goal was to make a site for all 4 Militias that could point new players to as well as having a central KB system. I had hoped that by doing this there could be enough input from the players to use it as a tool to help push CCP into fixing FW. Unfortunately this fell on death ears from all 4 Militias. |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
3
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Posted - 2011.12.20 07:39:00 -
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Caldari Militia so far is the only militia that could win all the systems. It's not Caldari Militia who fails, it's all these trolls who use militia only to make money. Have you ever noticed how much 'help' does a rookie caldari pilot gets in militia chat? And what he gets when he tries to fight? Frog gang is dropped on him and shoop-da-whoop! You could understand these trolls too - probably they are trying to get others away from their feeding-trough. From my point of view, making rookie life in militia more easy and profits for veterans less could solve this problem. I think I have an idea and will post it somewhere... later Caldari Mititia has already won. Capsuleers need more motivation to protect the systems. |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
3
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Posted - 2011.12.20 08:27:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Caldari Militia so far is the only militia that could win all the systems. It's not Caldari Militia who fails, it's all these trolls who use militia only to make money. Have you ever noticed how much 'help' does a rookie caldari pilot gets in militia chat? And what he gets when he tries to fight? Frog gang is dropped on him and shoop-da-whoop! You could understand these trolls too - probably they are trying to get others away from their feeding-trough. From my point of view, making rookie life in militia more easy and profits for veterans less could solve this problem. I think I have an idea and will post it somewhere... later Caldari Mititia has already won. Capsuleers need more motivation to protect the systems.
oh god why do you forsake me? Caldari won jack all... There is nothing for taking systems. Thats why I laugh at the Galls going "whooo we're winning systems" after 3 years of going "winning systems is lame!".
Wars are won on morale, and Caldari have never had morale, even the good corps kept to themselves never giving the rest morale, a few good players tried but they tried do it as a school. Now its time to do it as fun!
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Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
3
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Posted - 2011.12.20 09:25:00 -
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Whats' the morale of a cloaky-tengu mission runner? I don't think these terms are applicable here. |
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DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:40:00 -
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Dark Pangolin wrote:GavinGoodrich wrote:He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response. So have I and a lot of other people. Its a game, if you don't enjoy playing it you have the right to change how you play. I don't think that's a good enough reason to join the opposing side and start a forum topic about why your old side was fail though...leave the forums be :P I like DNL, so I was wondering what went bad. If all it is, is CalMil burn out, then god speed to you homie. May the space lanes be kind to you. I'll see you in a few months when you're purple again.
true, i spent alot more time, isk and effort into cal militia than i really should have. short run through - im unemployed (pay accounts with isk), - sink all my isk into benefits for militia (bout 8bil total), - spend all my time making websites and such and ignoring wife and kids, - calmil became work and no fun, - calmil and friends start shooting me, - galmil offers me fun, i accept
i probably shouldnt have started this thread in an emo rage, but it was either vent my frustration here, or in real life affecting my wife and 4 kids. the forum option was a no-brainer imo |
Jess Conell
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:47:00 -
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In my Opinion Caldari Militia is actual restructuring.
I think the Leaders of the most active Corps in Cal-Mil have to discuss what ist the best way to become more Powerful. Beginning with Fleetsetups , ending with concrete Military Op-¦s together. But First step is to build contacts over Timezone and Language. Who are they? One problem, there are many smaller Corps and single Players in NPC Corps.
For example, i start in Caldari Militia about 9 months ago, don-¦t know anything about the FW Mechanics like Plexing or FW Missions. First Lesson i-¦ve learned: Orange Stars will alwyas win when i fight against them, so where can i get those Orange Star? I joined a smaller german FW Corp and there were absolutely zero contact to any other Corp........or any intel Channel It changes slowly to be better at the past, but it-¦s a process that takes time. Also to turn the "purple Stars" into real Teammates wich really fly together - takes time. The Timezone/Language Effects are hindering too , so it takes more time.
What can every Member of Cal-Mil do?
We try to concentrate Forces in our Language/Timezone so we can helpfully join the bigger Militia Fleets, especially at Weekend.Every single Pilot is helpful. Second point is to teach new Corpmates the FW Mechanics and PVP Basics as good as we can.(we-¦re no "pro-¦s) Also we try to build contact-¦s to other corps, this is a very hard part and don-¦t worry @DNLeviathan you got no or less response.
Hopefully looking forward. |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
3
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:53:00 -
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Jess makes real good points, but I hasten to add the Gallente too started with small corps. SoTF, QCats were low double figures when I first got to know them. But they actively recruited and grew. Grew a little too big for FW imho.
The only reason for corps is to set up fits, and make the CEO rich - I just want people to X up and if they die in a horror fit expect some "constructive" critique. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:08:00 -
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Cali does not suck .... FCs sucks .... hell even I am back in FCing (accident imminent) after what I saw in past few months. all of them are thinking they are king of hills. Even forming in high sec makes me sick.
Enaluri is home of fat lazy cats ... usually took everybody 1 hour to organize enough to respond 1 pie BC harrashing around.
Just suck it up, shut ur holes and go out killing / plexing.
Oh yeah I am in smacking bandwagon again ....
.... please my smack enemies form one line (mob like behaviour makes me nervous). |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
5
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:24:00 -
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No, really... what's wrong about forming in highsec? My point on this matter is simple: if FC asks to form in lowsec, he has reasons, if he asks to form in highsec, he has reasons too. If you are talking about Nourv, it is very nice system to form a fleet: Jita is only a couple of jumps away, plus the system is swarmed with militia and forming fleet won't spike the system and alert possible enemy scouts, it's a really nice place to hide your fleet ;) |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:51:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:No, really... what's wrong about forming in highsec? My point on this matter is simple: if FC asks to form in lowsec, he has reasons, if he asks to form in highsec, he has reasons too. If you are talking about Nourv, it is very nice system to form a fleet: Jita is only a couple of jumps away, plus the system is swarmed with militia and forming fleet won't spike the system and alert possible enemy scouts, it's a really nice place to hide your fleet ;)
I disagree with this because forming fleets in high sec ends up with people living in high sec. That right there changes the mentality of the players to think of PVP as 2nd fiddle and causes them to lower their guards and become easy gank targets. ( I can't count the number of morons I saw get ganked "in" Nourv sitting on the high sec side thinking they were safe)
When we (me and my afk corp mates) joined Cal Mil there was next to no one living in low sec. There was no Enal base or guys living in Rak or where ever. We picked Suj to base out of and it was pretty common to see no other Cal Militia members in low sec unless they were in bombers.
The bulk of them were living in Nourv and would camp their own high sec gate in Tama.. Most of these didn't seem to know there was anything out side of Tama aside from a random gang here or there. The best thing Cal did was finally getting corps to move to Enal as well as some in Rak, because it put a presence into low sec and essentially stopped Gallente frig gangs from camping the pipes killing random noobs or soloers.
Not to mention having Militia living in Nourv caused most of them to get camped into high sec as it gave only 1 place the Gallentte or pirates needed to be. Right on the Nourv gate in Tama. Same thing used to happen to Gals before they lived in low sec, they used to get camped in Villore by guys sitting on the gate in OMS.
The problem with FW is the bigger organized corps always come in build up a member base then leave with those members. Once one corp becomes dominate among a Militia as the top corp, it's kinda the snow ball effect of people wanting to join them. Eventually they become too big to get fights and move on. This happens over and over and in the end it always causes what ever Militia to have to scramble to regroup in the wake of the power vacuum. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:57:00 -
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Mutnin is spot on with some of his comments.
Although some corps did come and go with the sole intention of recruiting people and then buggering off to pastures new with an inflated member base.
Now the difference is with some corps in Gallente, particularly mine is that i/we formed my corp with the single purpose of having FW fun - 95% of the people that joined us were from within FW or friends of people in FW - Now, going on to what Evil said about becoming too big for FW, again hes spot on, trying to keep everyone interested / involved / having fun etc is near enough impossible when you get to a certain size / organisation, so you try new things, but we always came back cos this is our roots and where the majority of us enjoy playing the most (and on record now, i state we 99.9% will not leave FW)
My point is, because most of the successful Gallente corps roots are 99.9% FW, weve been together since pretty much the beginning, weve had our fall outs, weve had our in-militia wars, weve fought together, weve died together and weve pretty much still stuck together and get on. We have a number of Fc's from different corps all doing there bit and we mostly all share each others comms which means if nothings going on we just generally talk rollocks and take the **** out of each other.
Caldari basing from Enaluri was a great idea, imho you need a sense of a "home" system, somewhere where if people come you want to boot them out as quickly as possible - it kinda gets things to mean something with being based there and creates a bit of a purpose from being there too. But, if you get too many people wanting to be king **** then it simply wont work - speaking from experience from when the MDP finally broke up, too many egos simply do not work and people then start to choose sides rather than concentrating on what we actually were supposed to.
Fingers crossed with what Evil Synns is trying to do it will bring some fun and some nice ganks back and raise morale - the rest will snowball as people will WANT to be get involved and be part of it and im sure Mr Synns will quite happily tell people to naff off :) |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:48:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:Cali does not suck .... FCs sucks .... hell even I am back in FCing (accident imminent) after what I saw in past few months. all of them are thinking they are king of hills. Even forming in high sec makes me sick.
Enaluri is home of fat lazy cats ... usually took everybody 1 hour to organize enough to respond 1 pie BC harrashing around.
Just suck it up, shut ur holes and go out killing / plexing.
Oh yeah I am in smacking bandwagon again ....
.... please my smack enemies form one line (mob like behaviour makes me nervous).
I disagree tbh mate, the FC can only herd so much to get people in the right ships for the job he wants them to do.
A lot of the time when we form stuff and for eg its and armour fleet and someone brings something "unsuitable" he will either be given a ship to use by one of us in fleet, or be laughed at and cos we know he will die first and miss all the kills, usually they swap ships pretty quickly.
Also, alot of the time with people who fly together frequently if there isnt a "experienced" fc running things it still works pretty well on our side as the quality of the pilots behind you makes a hell of a difference.
Its very very rare if one our fc's derps he gets any stick tbh, experience or not as most people are happy at the fact that they have someone pointing them in the right direction as opposed to counting station spins. A lot of the time the FC is only as good as the fleet behind him..... "ffs shoot the effing primary" |
Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
4
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Posted - 2011.12.20 19:40:00 -
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DNLeviathan wrote: i probably shouldnt have started this thread in an emo rage, but it was either vent my frustration here, or in real life affecting my wife and 4 kids. the forum option was a no-brainer imo
Thanks not only for wasting out time with this thread, but showing us once again the dangers of becoming addicted to a MMO's.
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Tim Brewer
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2011.12.20 20:18:00 -
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After that didn't work out we didn't want to go back to the same thing. We felt we owned Black Rise to such a degree that we lost good pvp'ers to boredom before we left. Hence we went with the other logical solution - join Amarr. Qoute
Wolfsbrigade owning black rise ? Orca syndicate used to crush you and all your buddies daily in black rise, toooo the point that you guys bailed out as well as a few others. You even tried to team up with Raven Federation and still failed.
I wouldn't go so far as saying we owned all of Black Rise, but we sure as hell owned the caldari home system *Enaluri* and the surrounding area for near a yr.
PS.
Caldari is and always will be a joke
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